Blown Motor

[mike8748]

I still love my MS3 :-)

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by 7mileshome the disclamer is on the first post, just got to read

I wasn't gonna ride you any more but then you started to groan me like a ninny.

SO your options are

1) Flashes were installed correctly and you didn't know what you were doing which led to you blowing up your car

2) Flashes weren't installed correctly and cpe is solely to be blamed for this

OR it seems to me like your trying to go option 3

You fucked up royally and want to blame CPE but not outwardly cause your afraid to so you''ll just kinda blame them for it to explain why you tried to act like U can tune a car and actually made matters worse and blew your motor"

Does that sum it up? Truth bothers people so i'll just wait for you to groan this post.

[spnkr21]

So darksun you don't believe him either when he said this thread was to help others?

OP how often did you tune with the SB before you went BT? When did you ever have to put a bigger number than +2 in the maf table while tuning? Still curious what the fuel trims are... Were you tryingto blow up I just don't get it?

And dizzi stopping posting in all threads. You're a troll with nothing helpful to say. I bet mikeyhd contributes more than you do.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by spnkr21 So darksun you don't believe him either when he said this thread was to help others? OP how often did you tune with the SB before you went BT? When did you ever have to put a bigger number than +2 in the maf table while tuning? Still curious what the fuel trims are... Were you tryingto blow up I just don't get it? And dizzi stopping posting in all threads. You're a troll with nothing helpful to say.

I don't get the intended purpose of the tread.

Is it to warn people that the CPE flashes may not be taking to the ECU and CPE isn't bench testing the ECU before its sent?

Is it to tell the community hey guys I fucked up my car cause I didn't know what I was doing and that's all.

Is this tread a trial or an Fyi? If he wants to help people what is he trying to help them avoid CPe or acting like an over night tuner and blowing their motors?

[spnkr21]

I think it was a sympathy thread but how many warnings does someone need to say, "Hey, maybe I should park this and get some Help.". There's being a noob (like myself), then there's being dumb. This was dumb

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by spnkr21 I think it was a sympathy thread but how many warnings does someone need to say, "Hey, maybe I should park this and get some Help.". There's being a noob (like myself), then there's being dumb. This was dumb

Well now we are getting somewhere. So for this to be a sympathy thread that would mean that the O.P had something happened to him that was out of his control and he was wronged. Him trying to tune around fail was just icing on the cake.

[DaleNixon]

Originally Posted by Mikey95hd It seems to me MAZDA, wanted to compete for the EVO and STI market, so they came up with this motor. Look at the orignal Rotary / Wankel in Cali, it would not pass smog, and this car won't either if smoke is coming out of it. All new cars don't need smog for five years. So if you drive it, and it lasts for five years, you'll never pass smog, your stuck with what ever it takes to fix the problem. Mazda won't help you they know they made another engine that at first in 2006, would compete against the EVO and STI. They pushed the engine in stock format to it's limits, and probably de-tuned a little so it wouldn't blow until the now magically 3 years, 36,000 miles, after that it is your problem. My 2007 is stock, I figured I would do nothing to it until I have the Pink slip, well it started smoking at 31,000 miles, and the dealer changed the oil to 5w-40. The problem is the PCV system, look at COBB fix for the smoking exhaust and that tell's you exactly what the problem is. Open the oil fill cap at idle there should never be pressure blowing out of it, it should be vacuum, I even had them start a 2010, vacuum not pressure. That was the tell tail sign that the engine was not running right. Also I reset all the "INFO" button on the center console, and noticed that the mileage is decreasing for the average miles. This told me that there must be a problem. Mazda only wants your money, just like Toyota, big business, big money, and screw the customer. I called MAZDAUSA and told them to fix the car, or give me a brand new one, my 2007 has a 60,000 mile/60 month warranty on the drive train, engine, front and rear axles...The new car is only 36,000 bumper to bumper coverage. Why? Read the copy of the first two paragraphs of the COBB fix for the PCV, this should have been done from the very start from MAZDA. There adventure in the TURBO market with street cars is a failure. They hurried there processes and produced a engine at first seemed to be rock solid on the test bed, we became the BETA TEST team for there product. So what will they do to fix the problem? Nothing, you don't fix what is not broken, and when the problems surface, you blame the end user. 38,600 miles on the car and there replacing the TURBO, that will not fix the combustion blowing past the rings and into the crank. Rings will never seat, that is why the changed the oil from 5w-30 to 5w-40 to seal the rings, that doesn't work. On this forum you can read the Cobb bulletin on how to fix the PCV system, and they nailed it right on the head in the first two paragraphs, There are nine 2010's sitting at the dealership I've been going to since they closed the local shop. People test drive them, but nobody is buying them. Good luck with MAZDA, at least calling Corporate they told the dealership to replace the turbo, and if that doesn't fix it, then fix what ever needs to be fixed before returning the car to the customer. So they better replace the engine, and exhaust system, all the oil in the exhaust has probably ruined the Cat. And I think I might take it to a SMOG check station and see if they will run it, to prove that this car is a gross pollution producer. Also I told MADZAUSA that I do not want the car back and want a refund for money payed, it has it's thrid set of tires on it now, brakes both front and real went bad at 37,000 miles, shifts funny in 2nd, 3rd, and 6th, and seems to lose power when getting on the freeway. Front end has been aligned several times, squeaks coming from the dash, Cluncking from the front end, (Sounds like a bad ball joint in my 1970 Chevy truck). I could understand the problems, if I took it to Willow Springs and raced it on there track, every weekend, I just drive the car as a everyday commuter, too and from work. Lately I don't even want to drive it at all, the engine could let go at anytime, and do you think your getting a free tow? NO I have been driving my 97 t-bird instead, same gas mileage out of 4.6, over this POS, and fell a lot more safer in it, driving the speed I fell like I'm sitting on a seat with no protection around me...After all look for Doug Herbert of NHRA fame and he lost both of his sons in a car accident, they were driving the MAZDASPEED 3, do a google search for it there is nothing left of the car... ZOOM-ZOOM BOOM-GLOOM BIG MONEY....

Head on collision with a Hummer? Man this POS can't survive that?

[spnkr21]

I wish I could thank and groan on tapatalk

[Darksun280]

I personally feel like alot of this has to do with user error. If O.P thought he could tune around a car that couldn't stay running who knows what else was overlooked or assumed. That's my official stand on this and I'll leave the thread alone after that.

[www.cp-e.com]

The flashes are made to work out of the box. There are many people running them. In a few sitatuions a flash was not added to an ecu and we got the ecu back and reflashed it. This was one of those situations. I was not at cp-e while it was happening and will be there today but as far as I know his ecu went out flashed correctly the second time. Now the issue is was it also flashed the first time? Is there something confounding that we don't know about? Many issues can cause many things. We will not leave 7mileshome to figure this out on his own. We will help him as I offered privately. We simply need to do some investigating to figure out what happened because something definately is going on with this particular case. All of the other cars running around with this setup have no issues and none have ever required tuning to make the flash work. For examply john (cageyvet) got his ecu back and with no standback drove the hell out of the car ecu (with flashes) only. With the flashes teh car will turn on, drive, and run like stock. If it doesnt then either the flash didnt take and isn't calibrated for the big maf and will run fine on a stock maf or the car has alot of air getting in that isn't going by the maf so its running LEAN.

We will figure this out. We will help the OP. Its that simple. We stand by all of our customers. We will stand by him.

[Darksun280]

When I had the flashes and stock maf the car could Idle and drive with almost no throttle but would buck bad and run lean if i thread to give it any throttle.

[www.cp-e.com]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 When I had the flashes and stock maf the car could Idle and drive with almost no throttle but would buck bad and run lean if i thread to give it any throttle.

Yes. The car will only work properly withi the right housing. If you have the big maf flash a stock maf housing will cause the car to act up. If you don't have the big maf flash and put a big maf housing on the car will turn on and then die out. Thats why when we hear someone say "car wont stay on" we say try a stock maf if it works then we just need to reflash it. It happens. Rarely. But it happens. This situation on the other hand is different becasue we got the ecu back a second time. We will know soon enough as I am going to look into it when i get to cp-e in about 2 hours. I will take a look at his records on our flash computer and I will call him and see whats going on. We'll figure it out and help him out.

[7mileshome]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 I don't get the intended purpose of the tread. Is it to tell the community hey guys I fucked up my car cause I didn't know what I was doing and that's all.

Yes.

Jake, there is no issue here about when or if it was flashed. Regardless its not
working, and we know that already. Most people are smart enough
to understand that just because mine did not work, there are a bunch
of other people who are running them just fine! I did not make this thread to try to blame cpe for
anything, its not their fault that my motor blew!

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by 7mileshome Yes. The problem was that it was not running at all with the large maf. Jake, there is no issue here about when or if it was flashed. Regardless its not working, and we know that already. Most people are smart enough to understand that just because mine did not work, there are a bunch of other people who are running them just fine! I did not make this thread to try to blame cpe for anything, its not their fault that my motor blew!

You don't get it you can't say something like it wasn't running with the big Maf at all and then the next breath say CPE is not to blame.

[7mileshome]

the flash not taking, and my motor blowing are two different issues.

I don't get you posting here, are you just trying to start shit?

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by 7mileshome the flash not taking, and my motor blowing are two different issues. I don't get you posting here, are you just trying to start shit?

I don't get you making this thread are YOU just trying to start shit? How the fuck can you say the Flash not taking and the motor blowing are two totally different things? Whyd you include them in the same original post? Did you not say the the car wouldn't stay on so you tried to force it by holding down the throttle mixed with adding fuel?

[7mileshome]

No, I'm not trying to start anything. The issue of my car not running was posted on the
other thread.

This thread was to tell who ever is reading it that I tried to tune the car and failed because ultimately there is no way to tune around the big maf flash. It HAS to work.

[felt]

[Lex]

You think you know lots and have a bone to pick. I would read up a little more before you "feel" safer in a 97 versus your Mazda.

Originally Posted by Mikey95hd It seems to me MAZDA, wanted to compete for the EVO and STI market, so they came up with this motor. Look at the orignal Rotary / Wankel in Cali, it would not pass smog, and this car won't either if smoke is coming out of it. All new cars don't need smog for five years. So if you drive it, and it lasts for five years, you'll never pass smog, your stuck with what ever it takes to fix the problem. Mazda won't help you they know they made another engine that at first in 2006, would compete against the EVO and STI. They pushed the engine in stock format to it's limits, and probably de-tuned a little so it wouldn't blow until the now magically 3 years, 36,000 miles, after that it is your problem. My 2007 is stock, I figured I would do nothing to it until I have the Pink slip, well it started smoking at 31,000 miles, and the dealer changed the oil to 5w-40. The problem is the PCV system, look at COBB fix for the smoking exhaust and that tell's you exactly what the problem is. Open the oil fill cap at idle there should never be pressure blowing out of it, it should be vacuum, I even had them start a 2010, vacuum not pressure. That was the tell tail sign that the engine was not running right. Also I reset all the "INFO" button on the center console, and noticed that the mileage is decreasing for the average miles. This told me that there must be a problem. Mazda only wants your money, just like Toyota, big business, big money, and screw the customer. I called MAZDAUSA and told them to fix the car, or give me a brand new one, my 2007 has a 60,000 mile/60 month warranty on the drive train, engine, front and rear axles...The new car is only 36,000 bumper to bumper coverage. Why? Read the copy of the first two paragraphs of the COBB fix for the PCV, this should have been done from the very start from MAZDA. There adventure in the TURBO market with street cars is a failure. They hurried there processes and produced a engine at first seemed to be rock solid on the test bed, we became the BETA TEST team for there product. So what will they do to fix the problem? Nothing, you don't fix what is not broken, and when the problems surface, you blame the end user. 38,600 miles on the car and there replacing the TURBO, that will not fix the combustion blowing past the rings and into the crank. Rings will never seat, that is why the changed the oil from 5w-30 to 5w-40 to seal the rings, that doesn't work. On this forum you can read the Cobb bulletin on how to fix the PCV system, and they nailed it right on the head in the first two paragraphs, There are nine 2010's sitting at the dealership I've been going to since they closed the local shop. People test drive them, but nobody is buying them. Good luck with MAZDA, at least calling Corporate they told the dealership to replace the turbo, and if that doesn't fix it, then fix what ever needs to be fixed before returning the car to the customer. So they better replace the engine, and exhaust system, all the oil in the exhaust has probably ruined the Cat. And I think I might take it to a SMOG check station and see if they will run it, to prove that this car is a gross pollution producer. Also I told MADZAUSA that I do not want the car back and want a refund for money payed, it has it's thrid set of tires on it now, brakes both front and real went bad at 37,000 miles, shifts funny in 2nd, 3rd, and 6th, and seems to lose power when getting on the freeway. Front end has been aligned several times, squeaks coming from the dash, Cluncking from the front end, (Sounds like a bad ball joint in my 1970 Chevy truck). I could understand the problems, if I took it to Willow Springs and raced it on there track, every weekend, I just drive the car as a everyday commuter, too and from work. Lately I don't even want to drive it at all, the engine could let go at anytime, and do you think your getting a free tow? NO I have been driving my 97 t-bird instead, same gas mileage out of 4.6, over this POS, and fell a lot more safer in it, driving the speed I fell like I'm sitting on a seat with no protection around me...After all look for Doug Herbert of NHRA fame and he lost both of his sons in a car accident, they were driving the MAZDASPEED 3, do a google search for it there is nothing left of the car... ZOOM-ZOOM BOOM-GLOOM BIG MONEY....

[fjames]

Can someone with the technical knowledge to answer with 100% confidence help me out here?

With a big MAF, BM flash and standback, will a DH accurately relate LTFT?

I need to know lol.

[www.cp-e.com]

Yes it will read everything normally.

[madvillain]

Easyyyy Darky, easy man. No reason to get riled up..

I'm really sorry for your loss 7miles, no matter what happened I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. I hope that it ends up not being as bad as we think.

And for what it's worth, I do have the flashes on my ECU, I got my ECU back before my SB from Cp-e and the car fired right up with the big maf housing installed, with no adjustments being made. The car runs just like stock.

[7mileshome]

That is good news, that is what everyone needs to see.