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boom boom she goes 3 Attachment(s) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- well what can i said my beloved pos mazdaspeed3 went boom boom boom, it happened saturday afternoon me and the wife getting out of massage envy which is 4 blocks from house we go through a stop sign nothing happens, next a four way stop, 1st gear all good as i engaged 2nd gear not even close to 3500 rpm we heard a big boom and i felt like something came off right off the bottom of the car, looked at the rear mirror a cloud of white smoke and the car shut off. called the tow guy and as the guy lifted the car oil pour into the street like water from a bottle. this morning i snapped these pics, the piston pin came loose and open four holes, one of them being the pvc, the oil pan and two through the block. the tech guy said that the clip that holds the piston pin slided out and cause this whole mess, he also told me that this has become a problem with the speed3s, that theres no way that clip can hold that piston pin. im the third car i see in the dealer with a blown engine due to either weak rods or piston pin problems. new engine has been ordered. |
they are giving you a warranty engine when you had a gt30 on the car?! or did you put everything mostly back to stock before the dealer got their hands on it? |
under warranty? |
damm! sorry to hear man |
ouch, sorry to hear man! These motors are popping on an almost daily basis... *cringes* |
WTF!!!!Fuck you mazda for putting such a shiity engine in this car. |
Ward's Ten Best my ass. |
He was at low boost at low rpm isn't this the common lean condition? ecu to blame? |
So the failures are turning out to be a manufacturing or design issue. Mazda should fix all these under warranty. I really hope they revised the failing part for later models - otherwise we can all pop. |
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What I am getting at is that at such low load, there is VERY LITTLE the ECU can do wrong that will cause it to blow like that. In other words, it's almost impossible for the ECU to cause a condition that will result in this catastrophic failure at this engine load level. Therefore, it is a mechanical design or manufacturing fault. The same can be said for all of those other low load failures we see. I think that blaming the ECU for these faults is barking up the wrong tree. |
crap! +1 to F U mazda!!! im gonna go beat on my car some more and hopefully ill get the pistons hot enough to weld that pin into the rod wtf i guess this is another reason to get in on the upgraded rod/stock piston gb but dang am I broke with xmas just around the corner |
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Im glad they are fixing it but I dont think mazda will have any plans to do a recall and fix everyones pin problems since that cost would be crazy high for them.Ive never heard of so many motors blowing when they are not under any load,It makes me think these motors are somewhat crap.. |
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while not under a true load, the ECU might have some calculated load value.... so it still, theoretically, could be an ECU thing. I don't have any hard evidence to support this, but I haven't seen much to rule it out either. |
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this is fucken bullshit...just when i begin to find some hope in this car i read another thread like this |
man i just got a stand back and plug and play and a fucking rpmc inlet hose now this happens.Wtf i duno if i wana own this car anymore.giving me 2 thoughts |
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the same cylinder fails on regular 2.3 engines as well guys think it might be an oiling issue... |
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odd that its right by the balance shafts |
maybe its just inherently a prob with certain engines and if you make past a certain milage your ok? i'm at 47k hard miles and my engine doesn't use a drop of oil. |
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Sorry to hear that this happend. Keep us up to date on the repair and what the dealer has to say about it. If at all possible can you take a shot of the top of the piston that failed? And what cly was it (looks like #2 again)? |
Not cool damn it |
A guy with an MS6 over on 24/7 popped his motor as well. |
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I don't see why everyone is flipping a shit. Don't put on a bigger turbo without building motor. End of story. Too much pressure down low made by the gt30 will pop the pins out. |
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A wrist pin coming loose will score the cylinder wall - not cause a catastrophic failure. I have a hard time seeing the wrist pin coming loose made it go boom unless you had this happen for a while and there were other engine issues as a cause of it (burning oil etc). Quote:
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thats exactly what im going to do put the car back to stock, sell every aftermarket part on it and use that money for a down payment for another car, theres no potential for this car, i had it. |
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lol...no surprise here if this was the case. actually its kinda cool it lasted a couple months. |
if the car had the correct af ratios and wasnt knocking, running it with a bigger turbo shouldnt matter |
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you figure some1 that is running a bigger turbo plus bolt on's knows what to look for...than again with some of the ms3 owners ive met...all bets are off |
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plus...not to sound like im flaming him...but the dealer is warrantying this with an ecu flash and a gt3071 on the car? does his uncle own the dealership? this whole thing sounds fishy. maybe the OP can shed some more light on the sit-you-ate-chun. |
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If i was going big turbo, you bet your ass im going with a custom tune. An off the shelf tune is far from sacred and you are playing with fire. Whos also to say, this car didnt suffer from the famous ATP boost creep syndrome? |
Wait, so the OP was running a STOCK turbo OTS map on that turbo? Wow.... |
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its kinda hard to go custom tune when that option is not yet available lol |
First of all sorry for what happened bro. Maybe once the engine is tore down and you can get some pics, we'll be able to get a better idea of the root cause. I am still new to the MS3 world, about a month as an owner, but I've been lurking around for a bit. I still have hope for this car, as long as normal tuning logic is applied, then you would hope that the engine would treat you good. But then again, there is no true security once a faulty OEM mechanical failure happens. I have about 1220 miles on her right now and I just hope she is tough enough for once I start throwing parts at it. We'll see!!! Thanks again for sharing and keep us posted. |
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a gt2871, followed by a gt3071, followed by cobb stockturbo ap tunes, boost cut defenders, full boltons.... this car has been tough as shit.... sorry to see it finally go. |
Sorry to hear about the pop. Clip on the piston coming loose huh? I remember I mentioned something about maybe the pins not getting enough oil (in another thread somewhere), which could cause the rod to bend/break. I have yet to take my engine apart. I have 2 1/2 weeks left for this semester in school. Then I should have free time to do some snooping around. Brain storming here.... if the clip falls out of the piston and falls into the BS assembly... Is that possible? Was the clip found? Has anyone, who has blown a motor, inspected the BS assembly afterwards? Anyways... lemme get back to my homework. I'll add this to the blown resource thread tomorrow. |
I didnt notice he was running a GT3071 with a AP ots tune..I feel a little better now about my car but I still wish this car came with forged internals. |
Subbing to see what dealer is replacing the motor under warranty...... Just in case I blow I will know where to take my almost full bolt-on car to. No offense, I can't see them giving you a new motor, but here's wishful thinking!! |
Wow, guy pops his motor and gets flammed. Shit even pictures don't make people happy anymore. I am only talking to a very few of you that seem to know better then he does, yet some of you are running turbos so low in there eff range that they are not even making the power of a modded stocker. I guess we all have our different ways of doing things. |
yea but at least they are not failing like your pos modded stockers. You want to start with me? I will bury you in 2 weeks LOL If the tunning was out to allow me to run more boost in the cold weather, i wouldnt have to run my 35 at 17 psi. Im sick you saying im working on this working on that i have a solution fo rthis and that....and yet you make midpipes that are too short, turbos that fail and...oh wait thats about all you make outside of a mm that no1 runs |
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Where? Cause the ap sucked on my car and cpe doesnt have their flashes ready yet. |
I feel for the OP, no matter what mods you run, popping an engine sucks big. However, I am NOT going to let a blown engine spoil my fun. Tonight I ran around for well over two hours datalogging, racing anything I could find and beating the absolute shit out of my car, and it always cuts slightly at 5k rpm in 4th which isnt necessarily "safe" anyway, I drive my car like I am trying to break things almost every day and it has yet to skip a beat. if the time comes for me, it will come, but until then I am not going to be a pussy and put my car back to stock so I can buy another lemming tuner. cant wait to put my flywheel in asap so I can beat the shit out of my car even more than I currently do. again, OP, sorry it went down like that and a quick question, what oil were you running? when was the last time you changed it? what oil filter do you run? |
Once again, a wrist pin will not fall out unless the piston itself is out of the bore ... thats what bothers me about the diagnosis. |
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People are going to make themselves feel like what's happening to the people with blown motors can't possibly apply to them. If I was to blow up tomm the same way as others I wouldn't stand a chance against the members on this site. Hell they'd probably even say I deserve to blow. Open your eyes people its not a tunning issue its a manufacturing flaw so people better start thinking out side the box for the answer to this puzzle cause we are ALL up for the chopping block on this one it seems. |
sucks. i wouldn't point to the tune at all. not going to blow under no boost (regardless of turbo) + the AP. anyone who says that is clueless. No boost is no boost. gt35r, or gt12. |
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Ill give a person sympathy for blowing up their engine. What i will not give sympathy for, is doing something STUPID that caused your engine to blow. What pisses me off is everyone crying fowl Mazda fucked them by denying their warranty with a BT strapped to the car. It fucks everything up for all of us who have actual, warranty claims for stuff thats not even performance related, only because we have bolt on's on the car. |
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that is a good point, but I have to figure most people don't feel like posting every last detail after thier shit blew up. the OP said the setalership had 3 cases of this happenng I doubt all of them were big turbos |
so if its not available it sure is weird there are ms6 guys running custom AP tunes for a GT28 turbo :Thinkingof_: |
ptp, why even make comments like that, it seems that's all we ever see from you now....its getting old. "...i know what the fix is, i just cant discuss it..." we are all here to figure this out and share experiences....if its all about the money for you, then just dont say anything and "fix" it for us...... Best of luck to the OP in getting back on the road. |
This guy is just like 90% of the other blown MS3 engines, shady details and no responsibility accepted. I call complete BS on the dealership honoring warranty on that motor, I will believe it when you scan the work order. |
oh please, cut the custom ap bt tune SHIT. I gave christian more then enough time to tune the car. The only way ill ever run a flash on my car is if i can do it myself, cause his tatits resulted in a 40whp loss and about ohhhh lets see 55 on a bt car that i know |
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What does "in person" have to do with anything? It's tuning.... you don't have the physically see the engine - you only need to know what it's doing and how it's reacting. In fact, seeing the engine "in person" will show you absolutely nothing about the way the engine is running. No offense, but mail-in flashes have been happening for years on other cars and they are widely accepted... I'm not saying that they are the best thing, but they are proven to work. Not to mention, that is pretty much how Christian has been doing the beta thing for a while now, right? Working on many cars, in many locations, and making changes via EMAIL. If someone is tuning a BT car over the course of 6 weeks, I would think the tuner has had more than enough opportunity to make power (IF THE TUNING METHOD WORKS). |
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regardless, burn enough bridges and nobody will want to work with you. I dont dislike you laloosh, not a bit, but I dont hesitate to call it like I see it, right or wrong. |
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if you take your time to read what i posted before you will see that i was closely monitoring my afr, kn reading and fuel trims and all of them were fine, i aint no noob with heavily moddified cars , 2 s/c gt, a nitrous srt8 and a head and cams ls1, also i was closely working with fynetune which they have a great knowledge of imports. |
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Yes, mail in flashes have been done before and have worked...but they are obviously not working all that great on THIS car. The ms3 is a whole new ball game as far as tuning goes if you've been keeping up. And yes, Christian does OTS tunes via email but those are OTS tunes. They are designed to to work on multiple cars with different mods, etc...Even right now with 1.03 ots tunes there are still problems with stage 2 maps. Seriously use some logic before you type shit like that. Both Christian and Tim Bailey are amazing tuners, and Tim was able to tune 300whp stage 2 with ZERO KNOCKING in PERSON. I'm sure Christian could do the same. Have you ever been to a dyno tuning session? It helps a bit to be able to log more than 5 parameters which is what you are limited to with a dashhawk. Also, who the fuck knows what beta testers have been sending christian with all sorts of mods, driving conditions, temps, etc... When accesstuner race comes out this month for free, the only "shit" tunes that people will be bitching about will be their own lol. Bottom Line: If you think email tunes using a dashhawk can be anywhere close to a custom dyno tune with Tim or Christian, you need to sell your car now before you blow it up. |
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301 dynos at 16psi 314 @18 psi with no knock? also no boost spike? And on a mustang dyno no less. If you do your ricer math that would put that guy over me and loosh's dyno numbers and I can bet there ain't a cobb tuned Ms3 running around on this plant thats gonna eat me up. I really wish one would materialize around the NY area and put me out of my misery cause I'm itching for a race. Plus the fact all these glorious dyno numbers are coming from the same dyno. MS3;s were doing a best of 280's whp with a custom tune on that mustang dyno in that shop now all in a sudden there doing 300-315. Seems shady to me. Sounds like someone got alittle too happy with the correction factors on that dyno to keep the customers happy. But hey some people are just happy with a dyno number and not proving its actually worth a damn. That 314whp car doesn't even have a fuel pump. I did 307 without a fuel pump and my car ran like TRASH on the street but could dyno a decent number. Lets wait to see when he ends up racing a car on the street and he gets chewed up. |
this is retarded. this guy engine blows and then the thread gets turned into a cp-e vs cobb battle. who fucking cares. if his engine blew and the dealer warrantied it even though he had a big turbo then more power to him. he has a loose piston ring and somehow the AP caused it. BULL SHIT! FLAME ON! |
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Now, yes I have been to an actual live dyno tuning session - many, thanks. The only difference, as you mention, is that with better equipment, you can track and trace more variables, inputs, outputs, sensors, etc. at the same time. This means that instead of 5 variables at a time with the DH - and taking around 4 or 5 datalogged pulls - you might get that down to 1 or 2 pulls on the dyno with better datalogging equipment. This is a time/efficiency thing - NOTHING MORE. It can take anywhere from 1-4 hours for dyno tuning, depending on the vehicle, mods, software, interface, tuner, etc. But, like I said, if a knowledgable tuner makes a commitment to tune a vehicle via email - using endless datalogs - there should be no appreciable difference in the results (assuming that the tuning equipment can do its job). Quote:
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Email tuning is not Cobb direct tuning. For all of these beta testers, how do you know their car has the mods they say? How do you know there isn't a mechanical problem with their car? Boost leak? All of this can be verified in person with a custom tune. Don't make fucking excuses and be a little bitch about it. Bottom Line that has been proven by FACT: 1. OTS tunes are good for some stages, not so good for others. 2. This car can be tuned with the AP by a good tuner to make good safe power (300whp stage 2). Show me a cp-e tuned car stage 2 log that doesn't knock and has made 300whp on a mustang dyno. |
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You should look up the ricer term you use and realize it is more related to you than anyone else. "Come race me, come race me" How bout GROW THE FUCK UP. Holy hell. |
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smackdown is basically saying all the cars that have blown up are cause they weren't Custom tuned. Good goob smackdown way to come into an intelligent thread and make your self look stupid. I'd say exit stage left before you do anymore damage to what little reputation you have. |
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Let's suppose, hypothetically, that a BT guy were working with Christian/Cobb on tuning. Do you think Christian was tuning directly for the one BT guy and allowing the customer to flash the latest tune? Now let's say, hypothetically of course, that after some extended period of time - more than a month let's say for shits and giggles - the Cobb flash was determined to be "as good as it gets". Hypothetically, the tuner might have adjusted boost, timing, fuel - and there were no other "mechanical issues" as you and Christian like to say. What would your conclusion be if, hypothetically, the simple FCF (throttle only, mind you) outperformed this "full custom tune"? :loser: |
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Who's friends with this smackdown clown? They need to go over to smackdown house and unplug his Ethernet cable out the back of his computer and tell him to sit in a corner. |
Hey dick I didn't turn this into a cobb flamewar. I acually said if the af and knock was in check then the tune had nothing to do with it. Also running a mbc on a cobb ap car is dumber then all hell. Ill post when I get back to the hotel room |
i agree with why would anyone run a mbc with the ap? that is just stupid. |
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I've seen some stupid fuckin posts on this board, but this one is straight up fuckin denial. |
I have one thing to say, dyno #'s are for tuning, track is where it's at. Since it's FWD the ET will suck ass on street tires but the MPH will be there. Start comparing that with altitude correction and you'll have a decent idea of your comparisons across the country and between tuners. |
seriously there have been all these dynos yet no one goes to the track |
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Currently sitting mid row..with Large Popcorn and super sized Coke. |
LOL now SLS is groaning me like is his job. What a baby LOLOLOL |
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