He wasn't directing that at you it was a general statement. He's right too

Tim Bailey used a hex editor to tune. Thats all I know. Whether he was actually changing values in the ecu or doing the method you said I don't know.

Yes, mail in flashes have been done before and have worked...but they are obviously not working all that great on THIS car. The ms3 is a whole new ball game as far as tuning goes if you've been keeping up. And yes, Christian does OTS tunes via email but those are OTS tunes. They are designed to to work on multiple cars with different mods, etc...Even right now with 1.03 ots tunes there are still problems with stage 2 maps. Seriously use some logic before you type shit like that. Both Christian and Tim Bailey are amazing tuners, and Tim was able to tune 300whp stage 2 with ZERO KNOCKING in PERSON. I'm sure Christian could do the same. Have you ever been to a dyno tuning session? It helps a bit to be able to log more than 5 parameters which is what you are limited to with a dashhawk. Also, who the fuck knows what beta testers have been sending christian with all sorts of mods, driving conditions, temps, etc...

When accesstuner race comes out this month for free, the only "shit" tunes that people will be bitching about will be their own lol.

Bottom Line: If you think email tunes using a dashhawk can be anywhere close to a custom dyno tune with Tim or Christian, you need to sell your car now before you blow it up.

Wow what bubble are you living in? When the accesstuner race comes out basically thats cobb washing its hand of trying to produce off the shelf maps that are actually good and dropping the blame on the "Tuners".

301 dynos at 16psi 314 @18 psi with no knock? also no boost spike? And on a mustang dyno no less. If you do your ricer math that would put that guy over me and loosh's dyno numbers and I can bet there ain't a cobb tuned Ms3 running around on this plant thats gonna eat me up. I really wish one would materialize around the NY area and put me out of my misery cause I'm itching for a race. Plus the fact all these glorious dyno numbers are coming from the same dyno. MS3;s were doing a best of 280's whp with a custom tune on that mustang dyno in that shop now all in a sudden there doing 300-315. Seems shady to me. Sounds like someone got alittle too happy with the correction factors on that dyno to keep the customers happy. But hey some people are just happy with a dyno number and not proving its actually worth a damn. That 314whp car doesn't even have a fuel pump. I did 307 without a fuel pump and my car ran like TRASH on the street but could dyno a decent number. Lets wait to see when he ends up racing a car on the street and he gets chewed up.

this is retarded. this guy engine blows and then the thread gets turned into a cp-e vs cobb battle. who fucking cares. if his engine blew and the dealer warrantied it even though he had a big turbo then more power to him. he has a loose piston ring and somehow the AP caused it. BULL SHIT! FLAME ON!

I've been keeping up. Thanks.
so if he can tune for "multiple cars" via email by allowing room for inherent differences, why couldn't he tune aggressively (if that was his goal) for a SINGLE CAR, MOD COMBO, TEMP, ELEVATION, ETC. by email?
No offense, but I still haven't seen any compelling argument or logic from you. IN PERSON MEANS NOTHING.
Who cares about the OTS maps for a second - those are really just a more vague tune to allow for variations that will undoubtedly show up with their "stage" breakdowns. OTS allows (in theory) different people with the same or very similar mods to run the same tune. The theory is that they all will run nearly the same. Christian is tuning those via EMAIL. This means, by simple logic, that tuning is possible via EMAIL.

Now, yes I have been to an actual live dyno tuning session - many, thanks. The only difference, as you mention, is that with better equipment, you can track and trace more variables, inputs, outputs, sensors, etc. at the same time. This means that instead of 5 variables at a time with the DH - and taking around 4 or 5 datalogged pulls - you might get that down to 1 or 2 pulls on the dyno with better datalogging equipment. This is a time/efficiency thing - NOTHING MORE. It can take anywhere from 1-4 hours for dyno tuning, depending on the vehicle, mods, software, interface, tuner, etc. But, like I said, if a knowledgable tuner makes a commitment to tune a vehicle via email - using endless datalogs - there should be no appreciable difference in the results (assuming that the tuning equipment can do its job).

Assuming that they actually have control. Its amazing that JUST CPE'S FCF can outperform 6 weeks of COBB-DIRECT AP TUNING... I will leave it at that.

There's a lot you haven't caught onto yet..... if only you knew... I won't be buying a Cobb AP any time soon as it has been proven to be inconsistent (at best) on the stock turbo, and a complete drain of power for BT applications thus far. I plan on keeping my car for a while - and making it faster. Honestly, that is why I am sticking with CP-e - they are the ones figuring this out (rather than rushing to market with a crap product). I'll wait all day long for them to give me worthwhile mods.

Wow. Quit being a cock sucking fanboy and maybe you will see facts. We know what the AP can do with a custom tune in person. Tim Bailey has proved that. Show me a full control flash stage 2 dyno that makes 300whp and 330wtq. Show me a dyno of fcf that makes more power than stage 1+ 1.03 ots map. Oh wait you can't because there isn't any lol.

Email tuning is not Cobb direct tuning. For all of these beta testers, how do you know their car has the mods they say? How do you know there isn't a mechanical problem with their car? Boost leak? All of this can be verified in person with a custom tune. Don't make fucking excuses and be a little bitch about it.

Bottom Line that has been proven by FACT:

1. OTS tunes are good for some stages, not so good for others.
2. This car can be tuned with the AP by a good tuner to make good safe power (300whp stage 2).

Show me a cp-e tuned car stage 2 log that doesn't knock and has made 300whp on a mustang dyno.

Um last time I looked the surgeline tune made 285whp at 16 psi and 300whp at 18 psi. All dynos are different so its possibly your 307 whp on the surgeline dyno would be higher. Or your car/ecu is just trash thanks to mazda.

You should look up the ricer term you use and realize it is more related to you than anyone else. "Come race me, come race me" How bout GROW THE FUCK UP. Holy hell.

Its always the same person that starts the cobb bashing that causes threads to turn like this. Laloosh.

lol your a joke. an NO the most recent car was 301 @16 psi and 314 218 psi. Do you even read up on the bullshit your talking about or not knowing whats going on talking tuff on the internet is all you know?

smackdown is basically saying all the cars that have blown up are cause they weren't Custom tuned. Good goob smackdown way to come into an intelligent thread and make your self look stupid. I'd say exit stage left before you do anymore damage to what little reputation you have.

must be nice to live in ignoranceville

Let's suppose, hypothetically, that a BT guy were working with Christian/Cobb on tuning. Do you think Christian was tuning directly for the one BT guy and allowing the customer to flash the latest tune? Now let's say, hypothetically of course, that after some extended period of time - more than a month let's say for shits and giggles - the Cobb flash was determined to be "as good as it gets". Hypothetically, the tuner might have adjusted boost, timing, fuel - and there were no other "mechanical issues" as you and Christian like to say.

What would your conclusion be if, hypothetically, the simple FCF (throttle only, mind you) outperformed this "full custom tune"? :loser:

LOL your sounding stupider and stupider by the minute so please continue.

Who's friends with this smackdown clown? They need to go over to smackdown house and unplug his Ethernet cable out the back of his computer and tell him to sit in a corner.

Hey dick I didn't turn this into a cobb flamewar. I acually said if the af and knock was in check then the tune had nothing to do with it. Also running a mbc on a cobb ap car is dumber then all hell. Ill post when I get back to the hotel room

i agree with why would anyone run a mbc with the ap? that is just stupid.

So let me get this straight... you guys are calling bullshit on 314 hp mustang dyno numbers and think, your cars are still faster? Theres more than one magical 300whp running around. Now you want to blame correction factors and everything else. If you want to talk that shit, come to CA. My AP tuned MS3 awaits you and i bet, you are going to have a very hard time, shaking me. I wonder how long you guys are going to sit around with your thumbs up your ass as more and more MS3 AP cars continue to go higher in hp?

I've seen some stupid fuckin posts on this board, but this one is straight up fuckin denial.

I have one thing to say, dyno #'s are for tuning, track is where it's at.
Since it's FWD the ET will suck ass on street tires but the MPH will be there. Start comparing that with altitude correction and you'll have a decent idea of your comparisons across the country and between tuners.

seriously there have been all these dynos yet no one goes to the track

No Im saying if the car did put down those numbers they should stop trying to state that since its on a mustang dyno thats a low number. And answer me why all in a sudden the HP numbers have gone from 280's to 300+ for no apparent reason. Go have that guy who dyno'd 280 with that custom tune dyno again and I bet money his numbers are now in the 300's all in a sudden. And I'm not sitting around with my thumb up my ass I know what my car is capable in a race since I race it weekly digs and rolls. Wheres the vids of the APs doing so well? I think SLS is probably your 1 in a million champion even though his car cuts out and runs funny on the street. I'm going to run into a full bolt on AP car eventually and we'll where the AP tunes stand.

Currently sitting mid row..with Large Popcorn and super sized Coke.

LOL now SLS is groaning me like is his job. What a baby LOLOLOL

oooohh I like popcorn but sadly, I've seen this movie way too many times already

Wow, this guy was just trying to post about his blown motor and it turns into another Cobb vs cp-e shit storm. And everyone still wonders why so few of those "unknown" big modders out there never post anything about their setups on forums.

Wasn't groaning you specifically, just every post with personal attacks. If you feel singled out, maybe you should rethink some of the stuff you post.

Quiet child.....

For a moment I thought I was the only one that caught this. The plot thickens. He was running a Cobb OTS tune, with a MBC, and a GT30-- good stuff!

He also refuses to post what dealership is doing the warranty work on 24/7

Or what, you'll badmouth me on the internet too?

Ive never used mustang dyno's and from a domestic car stand point, we are about dynojets. For a long time, Dynojets have been the standard in which many of us, compare dyno numbers. Mustang dyno's always read low and were heartbreakers. Within the last 8 years, Mustang and Dynopak's have become the standard for dynoing because of the onslaught of of AWD cars. To see a car like this, pull over 300whp on this dyno, is impressive. Correction factors are easy to fudge, but Tim Bailey is one who doesn't fudge numbers. The guy has an extension tuning history.

It was only a matter of time before the AP system would get resolved. Im happy that i was apart of its success, but i dont know why you guys continue to try to cut it down, every second you get. From the VERY get go, Cobb stated that OTS maps would not be high HP tunes. With some of its recent failures, they had no choice but to make the tunes more aggressive, but at the same time, they left room on the table for the pro-tuners.

I can guarantee you, my car does not cut out on the streets at full load. I have a hard time keeping the car straight and i have done some serious damage on audi's, beemers and even mustangs on freeway straights. Ive worked with Cobb to give us a alternative to tuning. As much as you may hate the AP, flash ecu technology is where this car is going to be making numbers. It also opens the door for open source and other tuning outfits to play with the car.

I installed the same map SLS in running last week. I have absolutely, NO CUT on the street and its quite impressive through the mid range too. Add methanol on top of it and the car straight hauls ass. I said it once and ill say it again, you will begin to see people flip flopping between tuning suites in 2009. Piggybacks are only going to do so much for this car and the quicker you come to grips with this, the less we will all fight about this crazy shit.

Im 37 yrs old. i dont go out hunting for cars with video cameras. The law's here in CA are more strict than anything else, caught street racing. When you have a family, the last thing you need is a serious street racing violation. Many AP owners are older people and really have nothing to prove. This car is a far cry from a drag racers dream. It is however a great car to road race.

It's sad we are divided into Left & Right coast groups.

No your car running poorly on the street is punishment enough I think. Now on your way child.

well said, Kev

Im just saying if there was some big break through I haven't seen any posts about it. All I see is this same shop with its custom tunes went from 280's to 300+ and if there was a break through cobb would know about it and be able to apply it to there off the shelf maps. Thats two users claiming zero knock and 300+ numbers so box that shit up label it V105 or what ever and kick it out to some people and lets see what they dyno in other places.

And why the fuck are we discussing the cobb maps in this thread again? I still don't believe the cobb ap had anything to do with the Op's motor blowing up. So me smackdown, mdog, loosh. and your posts really don't belong in here Kevin its misdirecting the thread.

Quit being a fucking tool you don't belong on this forum. No one is going to come race you so quit fucking bitching about street racing. If you and the other cp-e cock suckers would quit posting this forum would be a better place. Take your trash elsewhere.

Well, there is no break through. The AP has continued to grow. While people continued to slam it and ignore it, it has progressed. This is what you are seeing now. Progression...

Says the owner with the slow MS3. whats up with the name calling did I hurt your feelings or something cause you've seemed to wet your diaper for no good reason. And How am I a Cp-e cocksucker when I don't have even one of there parts on my car? Let me know when your car starts running right finally you can just PM me I'm probably the only one who would care anyway.

Well Randy brought it up... Whether it belongs here or not, all of you have contributed to where we are now in this thread.

Well If your going to leave it so be it but me tangoing with the other guys in this thread it's going straight to hell and quick fast cause I'm in the mood to argue so your call.

My car runs great. No WOT knock and no 3-4k partial throttle knock. No stuttering either. Stage 1+ 1.03r 93 oct. When you actually run an OTS map with the EXACT mods in the map notes generally you will have good results.

lol...blame me? i know youre not really. But i do think it makes some interesting insight that the guy was running a cobb map on a gt30 when his engine popped. i certainly did not bring it up to make some big point about ap dynos being "massaged". thats a little ot for sure.

my only thought is thta if accurate the ap does now seem to finally make indicative power for what it does. i still think a standback offers more to the user...but the ap tunes are at least "doing something" now.

i also have lots of questions about whether they are beneficial to bt cars. do they change enough parameters to make a difference? do they mess up the ecus ability to adapt to the bts? id like some info on that, only cause i got an ap, ive got a bt, and im curious given the facts on the few bt cars that have used them.

id clean all this shit out of the thread tho. this was only first brought up cause the guy was using a stock turbo tune on his gt3071.

Cobb and CPE are tearing this family apart!!:crying:

Buuuuuut anyway, to the OP did you get any of the shutter in the pedals like others have or was it just out of the blue?

I got all day to argue my friend, all day. I got a Turkey in the smoker.

Didn't i say PM cause no one else cares?