Originally Posted by palerider (Post 115887)

lol...blame me? i know youre not really. But i do think it makes some interesting insight that the guy was running a cobb map on a gt30 when his engine popped. i certainly did not bring it up to make some big point about ap dynos being "massaged". thats a little ot for sure.

my only thought is thta if accurate the ap does now seem to finally make indicative power for what it does. i still think a standback offers more to the user...but the ap tunes are at least "doing something" now.

i also have lots of questions about whether they are beneficial to bt cars. do they change enough parameters to make a difference? do they mess up the ecus ability to adapt to the bts? id like some info on that, only cause i got an ap, ive got a bt, and im curious given the facts on the few bt cars that have used them.

id clean all this shit out of the thread tho. this was only first brought up cause the guy was using a stock turbo tune on his gt3071.

Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 115895)

I got all day to argue my friend, all day. I got a Turkey in the smoker.

Originally Posted by Darksun280 (Post 115896)

Didn't i say PM cause no one else cares?

Originally Posted by smakdown61 (Post 115900)

1. You don't represent everyone here
2. I don't take orders from you
3. I'm providing positive results from an OTS map b/c you and the others claim they are shit.
4. Eat shit

Originally Posted by Darksun280 (Post 115899)

LOL! I'm in an especially bad mood cause I'm at work. Hold on let me put some Vaseline on my face before round two.

Originally Posted by Darksun280 (Post 115852)

No your car running poorly on the street is punishment enough I think. Now on your way child.

Originally Posted by Darksun280 (Post 115903)

LOL Are you mad I said you should unplug the network cable out of your Pc? I'm sorry if I'd known you were at the end of your menstrual cycle I would have laid off you.

Originally Posted by Darksun280 (Post 115903)

LOL Are you mad I said you should unplug the network cable out of your Pc? I'm sorry if I'd known you were at the end of your menstrual cycle I would have laid off.

Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 115907)

Well, at least its on your face, not your ass!! Bad mood? It's not monday!

Originally Posted by SLS MS3 (Post 115909)

That's a much better reply. I was offended when you said I might be smakdown. :tongue:

Originally Posted by smakdown61 (Post 115913)

See that's your main problem. You make too many assumptions without actually knowing the FACTS. I'm on wireless hence no network cable. :owned:

Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 115897)

Goto page 1 Randy.. you brought it up. There was no talk about the Cobb AP whatsoever, until you brought it up. So, yes... you act like im blaming you! Just stating facts.

Originally Posted by palerider (Post 115919)

i know i brought it up... but i didnt do it to start a goddam flamewar..lol I brought it up cause in another thread he was talking about using it with his bt. i thought it was interesting...lol

Originally Posted by bova80 (Post 115921)

you thought it was interesting because you wanted to try and use it as a sales tactic to place blame on AP you sly devil you. There have been motors that have gone stock, motors that have gone with the AP, and motors that have gone with the Standback. So I point more blame on the motor.

Originally Posted by bova80 (Post 115924)

dude smakdown you need to just lay off a bit. i know you are trying to get your point across but you are making a fool out of yourself at the same time.

Originally Posted by smakdown61 (Post 115927)

Some people need things drilled into them a few times before they understand.

Originally Posted by Darksun280 (Post 115925)

The AP did not blow this motor!!! I jsut want to state that. We have to get that out of peoples minds so we can get back to whats more important.....arguing on the internet.......

Originally Posted by Darksun280 (Post 115936)

Darksuns adds just the right amount of hate then stirs the pot gently

Originally Posted by palerider (Post 115935)

The guy had a stock turbo cobb ap tune, atp boost cut defender, and a gt3071 set at 18psi with all the boltons.

There is no question he was in more danger of blowing with the ap tune on the car. Fuel would have been pulled out, timing advanced, god knows what else. How can you say that the ap tune didnt increase the likelihood of the fucking thing popping. Thats why he had the bcd... he was probably boost cutting with the gt30 and his "tune".

This is hilarious. Im totally not trying to dog the ap. The first page was all about how shitty the mazda engine is and the facts of this situation TOTALLY merit user error.

Originally Posted by Darksun280 (Post 115940)

I think the problem is every time a motor blows we ALL keep looking for an easy reason why it happened to make it easier for us as mazdaspeed owners to sleep at night. I want to get people away from that. I truly believe tune or no tune this guys car was going to blow and it wasn't his fault it was a design flaw whihc means we're ALL in the same leaky boat.

Originally Posted by palerider (Post 115935)

The guy had a stock turbo cobb ap tune, atp boost cut defender, and a gt3071 set at 18psi(from the tune i suspect).... with all the other boltons.

There is no question he was in more danger of blowing with the ap tune on the car. Fuel would have been pulled out, timing advanced, god knows what else. How can you say that the ap tune didnt increase the likelihood of the fucking thing popping. Thats why he had the bcd... he was probably boost cutting with the gt30 and his "tune".

This is hilarious. Im totally not trying to dog the ap. The first page was all about how shitty the mazda engine is and the facts of this situation TOTALLY merit user error.

Originally Posted by palerider (Post 115941)

Phil... bad tunes blow motors too now. The likelihood this car wasnt tuned right with the power it was making.... means it was a ticking time bomb. The guy was probably making 350-360whp with his setup.

Originally Posted by smakdown61 (Post 115942)

I think people are missing the statement that you understand this guy was running an AP tune for a STOCK turbo lol.

Bottom Line: THE TUNE ON THE AP WAS NOT DESIGNED FOR THE GT30 TURBO THE OP WAS RUNNING SO YES IT PROBABLY CONTRIBUTED TO BLOWING THE MOTOR ALONG WITH THE BCD AND WHATEVER OTHER MODS HE HAD.

I think that's a fair statement right?

Originally Posted by Darksun280 (Post 115943)

he only did 316 on his gt28r so I don't know about those power numbers

Originally Posted by palerider (Post 115935)

The guy had a stock turbo cobb ap tune, atp boost cut defender, and a gt3071 set at 18psi(from the tune i suspect).... with all the other boltons.

There is no question he was in more danger of blowing with the ap tune on the car. Fuel would have been pulled out, timing advanced, god knows what else. How can you say that the ap tune didnt increase the likelihood of the fucking thing popping. Thats why he had the bcd... he was probably boost cutting with the gt30 and his "tune".

This is hilarious. Im totally not trying to dog the ap. The first page was all about how shitty the mazda engine is and the facts of this situation TOTALLY merit user error.

Originally Posted by blackmica08 (Post 115959)

when did i said i was running a boost cut defender, i did not need a boost cut defender becaue i had my boost controller set at 17psi.also i email chris a list of what i had in the car and he sent me a vetamap for 93oct at 18psi, but i didnt want to take a chance thats why iset my bc at 17psi.

Originally Posted by smakdown61 (Post 115972)

So you are claiming Christian, from cobb, sent you an email tune for your gt30? And you ran said tune with a boost controller?

Originally Posted by smakdown61 (Post 115972)

So you are claiming Christian, from cobb, sent you an email tune for your gt30? And you ran said tune with a boost controller?

Originally Posted by blackmica08 (Post 115982)

i used the same tune i was using for the gt2871, and yes i use a boost controller and turned the boost down, car ran better at 16 or 17 psi than 18psi

Originally Posted by ElBartoRex (Post 115983)

this is the shadiest 'popped my motor' story ever..

every time someone asks a question there are a few more little tidbits uncovered that were left out of the original mod list.

Originally Posted by blackmica08 (Post 115991)

what little tidbits did you uncovered that i did not posted on my mod list, the boost controller pleeeeease give me a break.

Originally Posted by palerider (Post 116017)

in the other thread you specifically mention using a turboxs boost cut DEFENDER as you switched between different ap maps. did you mean boost controller?

Originally Posted by blackmica08 (Post 116024)

i never used a boost cut defender, i have a turboxs boost controller, and i used the same map for both turbos, if you see the specs on both turbos they are quite similar so chris told me to keep using the same map. i kept a close eye on all the parameters and like i said everything seems fine. im

Originally Posted by palerider (Post 116030)

well then thats the confusion.. in the other thread you said a turboxs boost cut defender. after going back and reading it a second time... i thought maybe it was just a simple wording mistake. i apologize for making the atp bcd references.

I do think it would be interesting for everybody and shed some light for us... if you gave a timeline of what all you tried out on your car before the motor popped.