and im not here to make you believe, im here to show my results.

btw if your on the ap, your ass would get CHEWED by phil...and you have more mods lol
you gotta be a 110 plus car if you even want a shot

I am happy you believe in phil that much, if you didnt, I wouldnt bother to make the trip.
Im not running an OTS map, so if he fucks me up so be it.
Seriously though, Im not pusing 18psi like most cobb guys, so where would phils extra power be comming from on his stock tune that I would magically be missing?
I hit 25psi in 4th and hold 22 to my shift point, are you saying he magically makes more boost than that? above that and the car becomes a true flame thrower.

POT > KETTLE > BLACK > YOU

You're right.. nothing fishy about your dyno.. the way you went about the dyno, is another story. I knew this thread was going to turn to shit the second Randy mentioned an AP on page 1. Bottom line is, the AP isn't shit and you are going to quickly realize that sooner, then later.

Who blamed you for this Cobb toss in this thread? Did i mention your name Chris? Absolutely not.

Some of you guys need to change your diapers, the shit & piss is leaking through it.

Loosh you didn't answer my question....Verocious motorsports? I want to know so I can call up and ask to get "protuned" lol.

Im not sure if Tim is traveling anymore since he has his own shop. I believe he has some plans in the works to get you remote tuned using trusted shops near you and they tell him the info he needs.

I take this info with a grain of rice. Im not calling you a liar, im calling the person who told the stealer, why the blew. Do you have ANY idea how many people abuse their cars and how secretive they are about it? They do some seriously stupid shit. Look back at the guy who made his own home brew sri with maf housing and wonder why his car was backfiring and bucking.

i'll go ahead and confirm for you that it was verocious. him and whoosh dyno'd there and both were not fond of the guy.

So this guy will AP tune a mazda without the pro tuner software. And b/c this guy that loosh doesn't like who we've never heard of before talks shit about the AP we are supposed to use that statement as the end all be all about the AP? Are you fucking serious?

1. He's tuning AP cars by hacking the AP. Awesome. Who knows what the fuck he is changing.
2. Do you think he knows what hes doing?

Seriously loosh, you have stooped to new lows to bash the ap. This one is just plain laughable.

i can't say he can do all that i was just confirming where it was. call them up.

as i was waiting int he waiting room he comes out and asks if any of us are intrested in the ap...i said i have one and it didnt work to well on my car and he said they have a local guys that they do alot of custom changes too and have yet to make serious power with the thing. So i asked him if he can make custom maps and with a smile on his face he goes, no the "software" is not out yet. i am 1 of 3 or 4 members on this board that heard this....

its a awd dyno shop with subies in there, im sure he know how to tune or get around the whole software release bs. Hopefully cobb releases the software soon, then well see what it does

So some guy who tunes subies hack's the AP, claims he's god at tuning the speed 3, says the AP sucks, and you believe him? Not surprised.

I can already tell you what you're going to say once ATR is released. You try to tune with it without reading any tutorials, you'll make a shit tune, and blame the cobb software and the AP sucks. If you want true results let a REAL protuner tune your car with the AP.

Yep. Meth is the magic for these motors.

LOL, that was funny.

I am amused.

All I have to add is;

I remember a time when the SRT4 Neon came out and all these kids went out and did all the typical DSM mods to it including some jenkie MBC set ups that made my jaw drop. For the first year and a half they were all calling dodge garbage because these things were popping like bubble wrap in a five year olds hands. Then all of a sudden the dumbasses started to weed themselves out and at the same time some solutions to inherent design flaws came out and all was well. Well Holy crap videos of 500 at the wheels were popping up all over. Then dodge became the king dingaling and every teenager had to have one. Seeing that the speed3 is fairly more advanced then the SRT4 (think millenium falcon vs. spaceshuttle) Things are going to take some time. Don't rule out the internals on this car yet and don't rule out the car all together yet. Patience is a virtue.

dude...baaaack off. loosh is just passing along what apparently several heard this guy say. whats the big deal? i TOTALLY believe that the software has been "unofficially" distributed to dealers if they are in the loop. I got that impression months ago.

i bottom line about looshs "testing", and "comparison" between the ap and standback. There is not a SINGLE cpe supporter that got pissed at loosh for sharing that. There have been LOADS of ap users who have since switched from aps to standbacks.... and without a single exception regarding the people ive spoken with.... the switch has been 100% well received.

The feedback from those who have switched has been so resounding that i personally would like to offer ANYBODY with an AP a 100% moneyback gaurantee if they switch to a standback. And if they prefer the AP better that id refund their money.... for their standback in return of course..lol

I think all the hate on loosh for his comparison is unjustified. It was one of the more enlightening comparos weve had in the scene. whether it was perfectly setup or not is irrelevent. ALL the standback cars that day made more power, the stock ecu cars made more power, and ALL the Cobb cars were a disappointment in comparison. The fact that it came on the heels of Whoosh making 55whp less with his custom AP tune after working with Christian for several months to "dial it in".... i think alot can be gained from that. Maybe the AP has continued to improve.... i feel that is certain. But if you insist on belittling what seems so obvious to everybody else..... then you can be just as easily chidded for ap circlejerking as we are for the cpe dicksucking...lol

Hal, we have 5 or 6 motors at the local Mazda dealer that have let go on cly 2, most are intake and catback exhaust systems. I am trying to pick up the cly heads off these cars.

I guess its kind of calling the kettle black, I mean didn't Laloosh have a huge problem with CPE when they first started making parts, nows its Cobb that he has a problem with? I understand that Laloosh brings a lot to the table with what he has done with his MS3 personally...... but come on. He needs to quit bashing every vendor that doesn't agree with him. I would have to say that most every other site would have banned a person like Laloosh by now for his consistant harassment, weather it be vendor or member based.

Oh I agree with you 100%

OMG I just made it to this post. I had already made the "calling the kettle black" comment before reading this.

yea...thats why srt4s still slap on big turbos, some injectors and crank the boost knob like a volume knob without blowing up.....Every1 i know with a srt4 pegs and breaks to stock boost guages, maxes out the injectors and runs a map clamp....all stupid fast cars done ghetto and cheap....none are breaking. the people who actually dump money into them are getting 500-600whp on stock blocks. This car will never see that power, let along on the stock block lol

what you need to understand about laloosh is that he cant stand bullshit and lies. The bullshit and lies is what 90 percent of this car is about. Shit companies like yourself who claim the world and provide nothing piss me off more than anything. A big company like Cobb getting free passes becuase of their subbi market, piss me off. The products were 'TEH FAIL' cobble cobble my ass, now they seem to all revised and backordered while the ap creeps its way forward. Put it this was, if you came out wiht the ap, and got the results the ap got, you would be out of business.

Cpe? Yea i slammed their standback, but guess what its the best thing ive tried thats out for this car.

well this site was formed when loosh got "expelled" from a different forum because of vendor interference. it was the primary motivating factor....lol we didnt even discuss it until he got banned at 24/7.

loosh hates bullshit. cpe indooctrinated him, got him results, and he preaches it now. alot of guys are happy about that switch. that being said. loosh isnt much of a PTP supporter, so i think you suggesting him being banned, is alittle selfserving....lol

Loosh used to piss all over the standback as well....until he figured out how to use it correctly. He should take a page from his own book. Tuning with the AP is gonna be a little more difficult than tuning a piggyback. So instead of being a little baby and saying everything sucks because he doesn't know what hes doing maybe we should wait until we get some real tuners tuning with the AP in person and not over email with a dashhawk. No one comes in here anymore saying "CPE STANDBACK SUCKS BALLS ITS A PIGGYBACK WHICH IS GAY AS FUCK." But loosh and others like to come in and say the "AP IS SHIT" any chance they get. No one in this thread asked which was better, he just came out and said it. Some of your fan base really give cp-e a bad rep.

I suggested that he get banned? Where? Hell I even stated he could be a benifit to the site do to the mods on his car. My opinion, he jumps ship when there is a better one to float on. Thats all and its just an opinion, thats all.

Gotta think more out side the box. I was only netting 1-3 hp per psi over 22psi. What ever hopefully we can race some time while I'm still on stock turbo cause god only knows how fucked up my car may be once i try to throw this 60-1on . My cars changing pretty quick though I have a real 3inch exhaust now as of sunday and a TXS fmic. I'm semi curious to go dyno again and try to take back my highest stock turbo dyno from Chris. 7 hp shouldn't be so hard to make up. Might even go for Tizi's SS turbo numbers. I did the math and the stock topmount was what was stoping my numbers from going up. It just can't flow the air I was trying to stuff through it.

I guess my "kettle black" comment stands. Its good that CPE took the time to help you understand, I wish every vendor could take that time to help each and every customer, that would be nice.

if you claim something i did in the past...get your facts straight.
My tuning with the standback didnt change, its done the same way. If anything they changed the standback based on my many findings that no1 fucken bothers to even look at.

Timing
different a/f ratios in 4th gear if you start in 3rd as apposed to 4th.
Recent maf discoveries that cpe is writting a paper on soon. aka maf clip and load
In the end, my "tuning" is exactly the same, the only thing i learned about was pid tunning, which is nec with a big turbo and these stupid restrictor pills. But yea, thx for trying.

btw i did not come in here saying the ap is shit, i came in here saying the ap did not cause that car to blow. However after reading that his ass ran a mbc on a ap car that gets its load calcs off the boost....yea the ap probably blew that car, but not because of hte tune, its becuase of the end user. I remember when i tried running boost control ontop of the ap...im sure you all remember that thread as well

Off topic, but what is the highest stock turbo numbers now?

Its either my 327 or TIZI, I know he hit 330s and now 347 but i think that might have been on a modded stocker.

To back up the whp, i believe i have the highest stock turbo/weight trap as well. 113.7

Phil with nitrous hit 361 on the stock turbo and 319 without it

loosh is 326 342 TQ then I'm 319whp 359tq The the mazdaspeedgt08 AP car 314whp 338tq

loosh has more to do with nobody bashing the standback anymore than any single user. cpe owes him a big christmas present this year. im sure i'll get mine as well. if you measure success(or rep) by sales, and satisfied growing customer bases than i dont think cpe is gonna complain much about me, loosh, or any other of the fan base giving them a "bad rep". we got the word out when nobody gave them a chance cause of the "sacred ap".

Now the only people who complain are the AP diehards.... and the arguments have been rare. Thats fine... it makes for good discussion when it does happen. Eventually the AP could be the shit..... loosh sure used to think it would. But until then.... this real tuner in person argument is pure speculation and cloudy smoke. Thats a fact.

Another fact..... 12 months ago... Loosh was preaching from the hilltops that the standback sucked. AND....

THAT THE AP WOULD ROCK!!!!!

I had that argument with him for months while release dates continued to be pushed back. he was a HUGE advocate of waiting for the AP. In the meantime the standback v2 got released, the software was updated, and the APs release was the biggest busted egg in tunercar history.

Dont blame loosh likes hes pot this kettle that.... these companys themselves are responsible for exactly what theyve ended up getting. loosh has simply stated/ tested what works and stated/ tested what hasnt. And hes done it for EVERYBODY. Since when is that supposed to be a bad thing. If anything it lends credibility to what he supports, and what he doesnt.

I gaurantee you if racetuner is released and has ANY benefit, chris will be one of the guys in the country pioneering it and running it. He'll probably figure the shit out more than cobb has. i know right now, id almost rather have chris tune my standback than cpe. hes become that good.

Now im gonna shut up cause i sound like i want to have his baby:( but my points still stand.

If any is gonna break my number its gonna be phil. i did my number fully bolted at 18psi. Phil had like 3 mods at "insane psi". Insane psi plus full bolt ons is gonna be more than 326-7.....bastard lol

Stock ECU FTW? lol

I think im going to leave you wih the stock turbo numbers and we can play tag with the bigturbo ones lol

randy thx for the props but tuning witha standback is not hard lol. I think people just freak out when they see all the tables and options. If you simple take the time to understand wtf changing...any1 can do it. Even phillb...well maybe not lol

stock ecu plus throttel flash for the bigger win

your a/fs are the best ive ever seen. maybe the meth makes it easier to eliminate that lean hump... but ever since i saw your last datalogs ive been asking myself wtf.

Meth FTW? lol

Man my wallet is in intensive care right now but I gotta get that FT flash your right.....

Some one Sponsor me damn it!!! lol