Co2 Chillers for TMIC

[pzr2874]

I can't find anything on this.

I ran one for a short time on my WRX back in 08 but have yet to see much on the MS3

I'm talking about this:

Nitrous Express 20000-05 Nitrous Express N-Ter Cooler Chiller <-- Although there are variations... but just a link. This is the one I ran on my old car. I had the Co2... This is a nitrous chiller.

I need to do something to cool off this car a bit. And I'm not running Meth/Alky due to the miles that are on my car.


Discuss if you would.

[rfinkle2]

e85 in a low concentration has proven safe on gen1 high mileage cars.

[Haltech]

Waste of money... methanol injection or run E85

[pzr2874]

^Dunno... Where's the proof ? Last time I checked my car is the highest mileage on the stock block/turbo/internals of any.

I just need a cooling factor. e85 is ok, at what 3 gals per tank? I don't ever fill-up my car. Power when needed is what I'm looking for. These Chebbies and Dodges around don't pose a threat here.

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by pzr2874 ^Dunno... Where's the proof ? Last time I checked my car is the hisest mileage on the stock block/turbo/internals of any. I just need a cooling factor. e85 is ok, at what 3 gals per tank? I don't ever fill-up my car. Power when needed is what I'm looking for. These chebbies and Dodges around don't pose a threat here.

You can run the car past minumum timing for best torque on a 25% (e.g. 3 gallons e : 9 gallons pump gas) mix of e85.

(not a great idea, but it can be done without a hint of knock with small concentrations of e85)

That is the best proof I can offer.

[jracer]

How many miles on your car ?

[pzr2874]

115K on it now.. .and maintained like a motherfucker...

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 You can run the car past minumum timing for best torque on a 25% (e.g. 3 gallons e : 9 gallons pump gas) mix of e85. (not a great idea, but it can be done without a hint of knock with small concentrations of e85) That is the best proof I can offer.

I just don't want to run into any e85 issues as this is my DD.

AND it's not EZ to get here. Yeah, 10 miles from my house but WAY out of the way on the daily commute... BTW...I always appreciate your input. The Co2 on my last car netted in the area of 25-30 AWP on an AWD dyno.... so you're looking at 40-45awhp on this car ON DEMAND... I don't need it all the time but when it's needed I can smack the bitch....

[KILLER_VIZ]

^^^" A woman's asshole is like a 9-volt battery..U know its wrong, but sooner or later ur gonna put ur tongue on it !! "

AWESOME! that is all

[chuckms6]

either way youre going to have to refill one or the other. the e85 is easier to implement as you dont need anything but the e85 and you can put it right in the tank. co2 system will have to be installed and the tank has to be taken in and out to refill. e85 will also show more power gain than the c02 will and create a safer (knock free) running environment.

[pzr2874]

In Denver, that may work... not here..... Ask CAM and DJ.

Cars here actually make power... GTFO

[maisonvi]

You are not the highest mileage car on here.

[pzr2874]

Originally Posted by chuckms6 either way youre going to have to refill one or the other. the e85 is easier to implement as you dont need anything but the e85 and you can put it right in the tank. co2 system will have to be installed and the tank has to be taken in and out to refill. e85 will also show more power gain than the c02 will and create a safer (knock free) running environment.

Again, no. It's a chiller system... not fuel integrated.

[chuckms6]

Originally Posted by pzr2874 Again, no. It's a chiller system... not fuel integrated.

i understand that. im saying there is still hardware to install, correct? and a tank that needs to be refilled. e85 is as simple as pumping $10 of e85 and topping the tank off with 93 every time. thats assuming you have an ap.

[franz]

Originally Posted by pzr2874 Again, no. It's a chiller system... not fuel integrated.

Where are you going to get the tank filled and how much is it?

Check out MAP and their DEI products. Its not mazdaspeed specific, but you could rig up an intake cooler or intercooler...uh cooler.

[pzr2874]

Originally Posted by maisonvi You are not the highest mileage car on here.

Not saying HIGHEST... I apologize.... But I'm getting up there.... I refuse to fill up based on $ and weight. You have something to contribute other than mileage?

Originally Posted by chuckms6 i understand that. im saying there is still hardware to install, correct? and a tank that needs to be refilled. e85 is as simple as pumping $10 of e85 and topping the tank off with 93 every time. thats assuming you have an ap.

Hardware to install is nothing short of a WMI kit. No need to woory about failsafes as it'll be OD. If it runs dry, so be it. Anyone counting on their ride will keep up with levels, not that it will hurt anything.

[dpolseno41]

Just follow the trend, haz fun doing silly things, blowz, rebuildz, has real fastz.

[chuckms6]

i still dont see an advantage over e85. the co2 sprayer is more expensive and gives less benefits. but whatever works for you man. just my two cents.

[pzr2874]

You got proof?

stay on subject, $400 for OD power > e85 tune on a normal basis if you can't run it it 100% of the time

Try to prove me wrong. @chuckms6 @dpolseno41

Just because every1 is doing "X" doesn't mean it's the best out there.

[dpolseno41]

Originally Posted by pzr2874 You got proof? stay on subject, $400 for OD power > e85 tune on a normal basis if you can't run it it 100% of the time Try to prove me wrong. @chuckms6 @dpolseno41 Just because every1 is doing "X" doesn't mean it's the best out there.

It means that its proven and most likely safe to do however, generally people follow those two stipulations when modding. Keep in mind injecting C02 on the top of the intercooler will 99.99% guarantee that C02 get's sucked into the intake, have fun with that.

[chuckms6]

Originally Posted by pzr2874 You got proof? stay on subject, $400 for OD power > e85 tune on a normal basis if you can't run it it 100% of the time Try to prove me wrong. @chuckms6 @dpolseno41 Just because every1 is doing "X" doesn't mean it's the best out there.

who said you cant run e85 100% of the time? you said it yourself you live like 10 miles from a e85 pump. but you would rather spend 400 dollars on a sprayer. thats 400 more than what it would cost you to run e85. its not because everyone else is doing it, its whats practical. i live 100 miles from the closest e85 station. the sprayer would be the most economical for me, but i would still probably choose meth because its cheaper still. if you didnt want an opinion why even create this topic?

[KILLER_VIZ]

Originally Posted by pzr2874 In Denver, that may work... not here..... Ask CAM and DJ. Cars here actually make power... GTFO

Was that to me or the OP?

[pzr2874]

To you bro. Co2 in minimal amounts does nada on a progressive controller, not boost controlled. As stated in OP.

Originally Posted by franz Where are you going to get the tank filled and how much is it? Check out MAP and their DEI products. Its not mazdaspeed specific, but you could rig up an intake cooler or intercooler...uh cooler.

$8 a 5lb bottle. SHOULD last 3 months the way I would need/want it.

[KILLER_VIZ]

I commented bout this guy @jracer sig not your build bro. By the way the difference between your car there and here is just a tune. Altitude blows and im not even going to argue with that! lol


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[pzr2874]

Just asking on what's been done. Sorry if I offended... It wasn't intended.

[KILLER_VIZ]

Originally Posted by pzr2874 Just asking on what's been done. Sorry if I offended... It wasn't intended.

Nah bro its fine. The heat is really killing us up here. Thin air and 90degree+ heat is a bitch here and I only came on your thread to see what everyone was suggesting too. Were cool man, just thought that shit was hella funny!

[Haltech]

One thing that pisses me off more than anything is, when people ask for advice, then act ignorant by the responses.

Youre an idiot to consider C02.. esp when you figure out, it doesnt even work that well without a custom made shroud to hold it in. Otherwise, youre venting that shit right to the air. Hence, why people dont even use them.

People have given you the best advice and you scruff it off... Methanol injection is the best investment you can make if E85 isnt readily available. With Meth, you can use denatured alcohol, washer fluid, and pure meth.

The fact you think youre the highest mileage MS on this site makes me laugh. Lets take a look at your valves.. how are you cleaning them? Better get meth injection.

[Deldran]

Originally Posted by Haltech One thing that pisses me off more than anything is, when people ask for advice, then act ignorant by the responses. Youre an idiot to consider C02.. esp when you figure out, it doesnt even work that well without a custom made shroud to hold it in. Otherwise, youre venting that shit right to the air. Hence, why people dont even use them. People have given you the best advice and you scruff it off... Methanol injection is the best investment you can make if E85 isnt readily available. With Meth, you can use denatured alcohol, washer fluid, and pure meth. The fact you think youre the highest mileage MS on this site makes me laugh. Lets take a look at your valves.. how are you cleaning them? Better get meth injection.

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[K7addict]

Originally Posted by Haltech One thing that pisses me off more than anything is, when people ask for advice, then act ignorant by the responses. Youre an idiot to consider C02.. esp when you figure out, it doesnt even work that well without a custom made shroud to hold it in. Otherwise, youre venting that shit right to the air. Hence, why people dont even use them. People have given you the best advice and you scruff it off... Methanol injection is the best investment you can make if E85 isnt readily available. With Meth, you can use denatured alcohol, washer fluid, and pure meth. The fact you think youre the highest mileage MS on this site makes me laugh. Lets take a look at your valves.. how are you cleaning them? Better get meth injection.

Well stated & thank you for laying down the law around here. This OP was pissing me off with the "prove it" bullshit. OP, if you have your heart set on a CO2 intercooler sprayer system, then by all means do it. But don't argue with the majority who have already proven what works pretty well. Install your system, make a "how to install" thread and post some data logs. That will show the rest of us how beneficial those sprayer systems really are or if they not worth it. Either way, good luck.

-Sidewalk Chalk

[pzr2874]

He's a Jew.... Point is, I have proof that cooling off the BAT's makes a big difference. I've stripped gears from it. No one has any recommendation...... GTFO... includind owner of this forum.

If I can't make a thread asking if others have any experience and not get any LOGICAL experience, so be it.

No wonder Lenny left.

Originally Posted by K7addict Well stated & thank you for laying down the law around here. This OP was pissing me off with the "prove it" bullshit. OP, if you have your heart set on a CO2 intercooler sprayer system, then by all means do it. But don't argue with the majority who have already proven what works pretty well. Install your system, make a "how to install" thread and post some data logs. That will show the rest of us how beneficial those sprayer systems really are or if they not worth it. Either way, good luck. -Sidewalk Chalk

I just might. I prove things off personal experience, not 2nd hand.

Why would I post a thread about how well it went to some of you douchebags... LOL

As I watch the freaks next to me throw a rod, I'll make sure to post a thread of my findings. I've mowed many TX speeds down. I'm just asking for proof if something works over 1 than the other.

Funny

[pzr2874]

Originally Posted by KILLER_VIZ Nah bro its fine. The heat is really killing us up here. Thin air and 90degree+ heat is a bitch here and I only came on your thread to see what everyone was suggesting too. Were cool man, just thought that shit was hella funny!

Come down and run my 115K car... curious is all

[pzr2874]

Originally Posted by K7addict Well stated & thank you for laying down the law around here. This OP was pissing me off with the "prove it" bullshit. OP, if you have your heart set on a CO2 intercooler sprayer system, then by all means do it. But don't argue with the majority who have already proven what works pretty well. Install your system, make a "how to install" thread and post some data logs. That will show the rest of us how beneficial those sprayer systems really are or if they not worth it. Either way, good luck. -Sidewalk Chalk

Don't be a follower.. Make a difference Obama

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by pzr2874 He's a Jew.... Point is, I have proof that cooling off the BAT's makes a big difference. I've stripped gears from it. No one has any recommendation...... GTFO... includind owner of this forum. If I can't make a thread asking if others have any experience and not get any LOGICAL experience, so be it. No wonder Lenny left. I just might. I prove things off personal experience, not 2nd hand. Why would I post a thread about how well it went to some of you douchebags... LOL As I watch the freaks next to me throw a rod, I'll make sure to post a thread of my findings. I've mowed many TX speeds down. I'm just asking for proof if something works over 1 than the other. Funny

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I know some custom bbq builders in texas who make que's out of large tanks. Ill put in a call for you to get a deal on a trailer that holds 3000 lbs of C02 for you. That should last you all of about 100 miles.

I was not aware lenny and i were dating...

[K7addict]

Originally Posted by pzr2874 Don't be a follower.. Make a difference Obama

Did you just call me Obama?! SMDH...

-Sidewalk Chalk

[pzr2874]

Not the point Kev and yu know it.

Just looking for an option beynd pumping shit in my tank. I don't see where the problem is/stands.

Shouldn't be much different than No2. just curious. WTF

[chuckms6]

Originally Posted by pzr2874 Not the point Kev and yu know it. Just looking for an option beynd pumping shit in my tank. I don't see where the problem is/stands. Shouldn't be much different than No2. just curious. WTF

theres no problem, just better options. but you dont see that for whatever reason.

[Darth_Nuruodo]

It is way different from no2, that is so useable gas to get more oxygen in your fuel mix that just happens to have the added benefit of cooling your charge air. That's a bonus, not the intention.

Your co2 idea is just going to put a bunch of gas under the hood that could is not likely to be as efficient at cooling and could get sucked in your intake which could have so negative effect on your combustion completely negating any benefit you got from lower BATs.

sometimes people do the same thing to be cool, sometimes they do it because it works. I think other members' experiences have shown which category e85 and meth fall into.

tapatatapa... DROID 2 Global... etc etc

[BobbleHead]

i dont understand why you wouldnt spray meth. Who cares if you're up there in miles? meth cleans

[Voltwings]

i had a buddy with a cobalt with a GIANT ass front mount and a nitrous sprayer. He took it off and sold it because he said it was a "stupid waste of money." As stated above, if the air flow is not directed, it will just go everywhere, it does take a considerable amount of contact to reduce heatsoak. He and i would do back to back runs, and the outcome would be no different. You want on demand power and you have it with e85 / methanol and running one or both of those will make A. more power and B. make the car safer, all a "cooler" will do is make your car run as it should.

Heres proof. Stock turbo K04 my BAT's were 120's, give or take and with meth were 88, also, being that methanol is a high octane it gives incredibly consistent AFR's throughout wide open throttle. Personally i think relying on meth and running an aggressive tune is asking for trouble but i got my kit for a steal and just spray it as a safety blanket and with perfect AFR's and damn near ambient BAT's (on top of being tuned for E85) id call my shit fucking bullet proof...

If it makes you feel better, i sit in traffic on my way to work, with my ETS and all i've done is run a separate line off my windshield washers and run it up into the shroud. Its a thick line that i've poked several tiny holes in, so taking off from a light i've been at for a while, run the windshield washers for 2-4 seconds and your heatsoak is gone. There, i just saved you $394.

[Haltech]

If you want to know the real reason people spray nitrous on their IC is because they have a purge system. Instead of wasting it purging out the hood, they routed it to a sprayer for the IC.

A meth kit and a C02 kit cost about the same. I would actually lean toward the meth kit being cheaper.

The cost of c02 is going to kill you in just a few month compared to how much meth will last and what it costs. It can also be mixed 50/50,60/40/70/30 or straight. Mixing it extends the mileage per can. But it also cleans those valves, which a 115K car is really going to need. Infact, i bet your car wakes up from the valves getting cleaned out. I would venture to say by 3000 miles of spraying a strong mix, you valves will be looking almost brand new, just as your pistons.

But dont take it from me.. google it.

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by Voltwings i had a buddy with a cobalt with a GIANT ass front mount and a nitrous sprayer. He took it off and sold it because he said it was a "stupid waste of money." As stated above, if the air flow is not directed, it will just go everywhere, it does take a considerable amount of contact to reduce heatsoak. He and i would do back to back runs, and the outcome would be no different. You want on demand power and you have it with e85 / methanol and running one or both of those will make A. more power and B. make the car safer, all a "cooler" will do is make your car run as it should. Heres proof. Stock turbo K04 my BAT's were 120's, give or take and with meth were 88, also, being that methanol is a high octane it gives incredibly consistent AFR's throughout wide open throttle. Personally i think relying on meth and running an aggressive tune is asking for trouble but i got my kit for a steal and just spray it as a safety blanket and with perfect AFR's and damn near ambient BAT's (on top of being tuned for E85) id call my shit fucking bullet proof... If it makes you feel better, i sit in traffic on my way to work, with my ETS and all i've done is run a separate line off my windshield washers and run it up into the shroud. Its a thick line that i've poked several tiny holes in, so taking off from a light i've been at for a while, run the windshield washers for 2-4 seconds and your heatsoak is gone. There, i just saved you $394.

I like that little tid bit. Very cool. I am going to have to try something like this.