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MS3Axela703 09-05-2011 12:28 PM

CP-E CBE, CP-E CAI, and Turbosmart BOV Help/Questions
 
I plan on ordering these parts today or tomorrow but want to install them myself so I can save hundreds on labor. Im 80% sure I know how to install these parts but I want to go in there very confident that I can complete the work 100% wise. Does anyone know any threads, how-to's, or links that I can go to that give instructions on how to install these mods? Yes, I am a noob so please work with me.

Thanks I appreciate the help.

( TURBOSMART BOV) http://www.streetunit.com/SU_Turbosm...mzrtsbovbb.htm
(CP-E CBE) http://www.cp-e.com/content/mazdaspe...exhaust-system
(CP-E CAI) http://www.cp-e.com/content/mazdaspe...old-air-intake

jonlax 09-05-2011 12:35 PM

if you can change your oil you can swap out these parts.

If i do recall they come with instructions.

zenger 09-05-2011 12:39 PM

Just follow directions that come with each. Very straight forward. Having the right tools for the job is the biggest thing

MS3Axela703 09-05-2011 12:51 PM

Yea oil changes are the easiest things to do and I already have all the tools. Heard a rumor about how instructions come with it, just wasn't sure. Thanks alot guys I really appreciate it. I already know that it voids the warranty but is there anything else I should know like how to's or instructions on how to do them?

emag remrofni 09-05-2011 01:11 PM

I think you should do some more research op.

Other than the cai, you're wasting your money. The CBE and BOV are both sound upgrades... And the BOV will mak your car run like shit because our cars are tuned for a BPV.

08.5MS3 09-05-2011 01:27 PM

You won't void shit.

As stated, only the CAI will net noticeable gains. But since it's yours, do as you please.

MS3Axela703 09-05-2011 02:37 PM

How would it run like shit? Like details if it was on VTA setting.

Would there be a noticeable sound difference if I put in on recert setting then compared to the stock bpv?

bcmurphy87 09-05-2011 02:40 PM

one tool they dont tell you to get his alcohol, you will need this

emag remrofni 09-05-2011 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS3Axela703 (Post 1028048)
How would it run like shit? Like details if it was on VTA setting.

Would there be a noticeable sound difference if I put in on recert setting then on the stock bpv?

Our cars are programmed to get the recirculated air... So when the bov shoots the air to the atmosphere the fuel mixture gets really rich.

The stock BPV is plenty loud if you have an intake. But honestly, you're going to catch a lot of flack on here for being a ricer.

m4tic 09-05-2011 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS3Axela703 (Post 1028048)
How would it run like shit? Like details if it was on VTA setting.

Would there be a noticeable sound difference if I put in on recert setting then compared to the stock bpv?

with just the sri, the stock bypass is loud

KusteLokal 09-05-2011 02:46 PM

Honestly i would stick a SRI unless you live out where its really hot and doesn't rain a lot. I had a CAI with a hydro shield and i just didn't like the fact that my car could suck up water if i hit a puddle. FYI you going to get flamed for asking about VTA. Save money and just cut out the resonator out of your exhaust.

MS3Axela703 09-05-2011 03:03 PM

The weather where I live is honestly retarded. It gets freezing cold during the Fall and Winter and burning hot during the spring and summer. I'm defiantly going with the CAI tho. If its on VTA would it throw any CEL's or mess with the MAS? Just to play safe Ill go with the recirt but I want to at least be able to hear the bpv cause the stock piece of s%*t isnt doing it and never will. What do yall recomend? HKS SSQV? MazdaSPEED3 HKS Blowoff Valve Kit | Custom Performance Engineering

m4tic 09-05-2011 03:09 PM

y u no read?

stock bpv is fvcking loud with just an intake you ricer

MS3Axela703 09-05-2011 03:15 PM

Clearly you aren't experienced with multiple turbo cars... It isn't load enough and the quality of it is pitiful. I am reading all of this great information, if you are gonna be a pain in the ass get the f&*k off the thread.

m4tic 09-05-2011 03:20 PM

clearly you arent experienced on how to use the fucking search button.. everything you are asking has been panned out multiple times and if you dont like that you can get the fuck off the boards

08.5MS3 09-05-2011 03:44 PM

If the stock valve does its job and holds boost, why upgrade it?

For what it's worth, I ran an HKS SSQV III and it made my car afterfire a lot. Put the stocker on and she ran like a champ. Sold the HKS. I can hear the stock valve with my SRI. Is it as pretty sounding as the HKS? No. But it does its job, so I'm sticking with it. Fordza1 was running stock BPV with nearly 30PSI until he went boom.

The CBE may net you 5 HP. For a fraction of the cost, you can pick up a test pipe and replace the second cat. You'll get an increase in exhaust noise and will probably gain more HP than with an aftermarket CBE. As stated, remove a resonator and you'll have all the noise you need without going with a DP.

As for the CAI, I'm not a huge fan as the MAF is still in the stock location, thus, the air it reads will have been warmed up a bit since it entered at the filter. A SRI is easier to install and performance between the two is negligible (much like that of a TP and CBE). Spend a fraction of the money to get nearly the same gains.

m4tic 09-05-2011 03:49 PM

sorry i may have been a little harsh... this thread was just the last straw on the camels back...

if your stock BPV is leaking, of course another unit will help... forge v1/v2, turbosmart, synapse etc .... a forge v1 can be had for $75 right now in the for sale section.

but if noise is all you are after, go VTA but be prepared for driveability issues

MS3Axela703 09-05-2011 04:20 PM

Gonna get the CP-E exhuast and CAI because Im a fan of them and I like their quality of their products. My stock BPV is not leaking at all, in fact its running great, the upgrade would be mostly for sound. That is all true about what you said about the SRI so before I make any purchase Ill defiantly look into it. Thanks for the advice.

08.5MS3 09-05-2011 04:24 PM

You'll be happy with the CBE. Next to CorkSport, CP-E's sounds the best. You'll definitely pay a premium, but the parts I have from them are nothing but quality. You can probably find it cheaper, however, from one of the vendors.

BeastMS3 09-05-2011 04:27 PM

RICE!

MS3Axela703 09-05-2011 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 08.5MS3 (Post 1028199)
You'll be happy with the CBE. Next to CorkSport, CP-E's sounds the best. You'll definitely pay a premium, but the parts I have from them are nothing but quality. You can probably find it cheaper, however, from one of the vendors.

True on the main site it is pretty costy. Ill do research. Thats great to know that I can go with them and not have to worry about let downs, thanks.

08.5MS3 09-05-2011 04:59 PM

Contact: @JP@edgeautosport.com

He can help with your purchases.

MS3Axela703 09-05-2011 06:43 PM

Thankyou to everyone that helped me out on this thread, learned alot and found great information. Also thankyou for your patiance, I know dealing with noobs can be frustrating (trust me I play Call of Duty) but thanks for helping me out with the info.

Best of luck to all of you

Chigga311 09-05-2011 08:37 PM

OP-

In case you were wondering why the BOV VTA would give you driveability issues this is why:

(don't have my MS3 yet but it sounds like the MZR runs using a MAF/Hotwire setup)

What happens is the MAF calculates the amount of air going into the engine.
When you blow off, the MAF & ECU has already accounted for lets say 10 pcs of air.
But now there's only 4 pcs left in the intake system.
Then you will see your AFR's shoot to rich and stuttering and flames etc.

Good luck!

MS3Axela703 09-06-2011 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chigga311 (Post 1028536)
OP-

In case you were wondering why the BOV VTA would give you driveability issues this is why:

(don't have my MS3 yet but it sounds like the MZR runs using a MAF/Hotwire setup)

What happens is the MAF calculates the amount of air going into the engine.
When you blow off, the MAF & ECU has already accounted for lets say 10 pcs of air.
But now there's only 4 pcs left in the intake system.
Then you will see your AFR's shoot to rich and stuttering and flames etc.

Good luck!


Damn that clears it all up for me, thanks alot for that info. I do have a question tho, if I install the CP-E CAI and install the CP-E HKS SSQV BOV and have it set for 100% recirt..would I be able to hear it? Like the stock bpv but just want to increase the volume of that noise.

jonlax 09-06-2011 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS3Axela703 (Post 1029327)
Damn that clears it all up for me, thanks alot for that info. I do have a question tho, if I install the CP-E CAI and install the CP-E HKS SSQV BOV and have it set for 100% recirt..would I be able to hear it? Like the stock bpv but just want to increase the volume of that noise.

Once you put an intake on it gets loud.

With an HKS unit and intake you'll get a louder "woosh" of air.

G26 09-06-2011 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS3Axela703 (Post 1027897)
I plan on ordering these parts today or tomorrow but want to install them myself so I can save hundreds on labor. Im 80% sure I know how to install these parts but I want to go in there very confident that I can complete the work 100% wise. Does anyone know any threads, how-to's, or links that I can go to that give instructions on how to install these mods? Yes, I am a noob so please work with me.

Thanks I appreciate the help.

( TURBOSMART BOV) TurboSmart BOV Kit: MS3, MS6 & CX7
(CP-E CBE) MazdaSPEED3 3" SS Cat Back Exhaust System | Custom Performance Engineering
(CP-E CAI) MazdaSPEED3 Xcel

Save the money and get the forge BPV or Turbosmart BPV, half the price and will sound quite similar. You also don't need to be venting metered air to atmosphere. Also, the stock BPV will be much louder with an intake on the car.

MS3Axela703 09-06-2011 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G26 (Post 1029727)
Save the money and get the forge BPV or Turbosmart BPV, half the price and will sound quite similar. You also don't need to be venting metered air to atmosphere. Also, the stock BPV will be much louder with an intake on the car.

Want to get the Turbosmart because I love the sound of it, just read some reviews that it quiets the sound down alot. Hold boost alot better tho but I would love to turn the volume up on the sound some more. Friend has a speed3 with a CP-E CAI and I heard what it sounds like, sounds great just want to increase the bpv sound. I like the quality of the Forge, just dont like the sound it makes. Also, it will be in full circuit mode, wanted to run hybrid but dont want to risk it. Will the Turbosmart bpv be louder then the stock bpv?

08.5MS3 09-06-2011 06:23 PM

You are truly a ricer.

rghispanic88 09-06-2011 06:35 PM

WTF?

MSF is getting soft?

got a ricer here that wont search for shit even if his life depended on it. All these topics have been beaten to death. Then he insults a fellow MSF member to get the Fuck out of his thread. WOW, im shocked

OP, obviously, you dont know shit about this car. SEARCH, its not gonna kill you

I have a SRI and a HKS BOV 100% recirc, and its loud.

And no im not gonna post any videos to help you out.

asall667 09-06-2011 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS3Axela703 (Post 1030194)
Want to get the Turbosmart because I love the sound of it, just read some reviews that it quiets the sound down alot. Hold boost alot better tho but I would love to turn the volume up on the sound some more. Friend has a speed3 with a CP-E CAI and I heard what it sounds like, sounds great just want to increase the bpv sound. I like the quality of the Forge, just dont like the sound it makes. Also, it will be in full circuit mode, wanted to run hybrid but dont want to risk it. Will the Turbosmart bpv be louder then the stock bpv?

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD READ THIS!!!!!!!

1. Buy a SRI you dont need CAI (temperature difference is not that mch and your turbo that air is getting cooled down even more when it runs through your InterCOOLER)

2. DO NOT BUY BOV/BPV. Your stock BPV will be loud once you install what I mentioned above. Also, it will hold fine until you buy AP and raise the boost then MAYBE you will have to upgrade to a BPV, you hear that?? BPV I say it again!

3. Just cut out your second cat and weld in a straight pipe. If you want more sound cut out your resonator and weld a straight pipe, for more sound, cut out both resonators and straight pipe it.

Please Please Please use the search up top. These ppl on MSF told you what I just said millions of time in this thread alone and you still ignore and want that loud PSSHHHHH noise. That wont get you chicks, nor make you look cool seriously. I think you belong with the target crowd right @08.5MS3 ?? lol

but for real I am not trying to be a dick bro, just a couple helpful hints. You wont throw any CEL from any of the mentioned above so your safe :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rghispanic88 (Post 1030288)
WTF?

MSF is getting soft?

got a ricer here that wont search for shit even if his life depended on it. All these topics have been beaten to death. Then he insults a fellow MSF member to get the Fuck out of his thread. WOW, im shocked

OP, obviously, you dont know shit about this car. SEARCH, its not gonna kill you

I have a SRI and a HKS BOV 100% recirc, and its loud.

And no im not gonna post any videos to help you out.


Thats what im saying, as I was reading through this I felt like MSF wasn't....well MSF lol. They actually pointed the OP in the right direction but the OP insisted on geting that loud noise. Common, the rules should be an exception once it gets to this point no?

If there was no rules, the OP would prolly be crying right about now :silly:

rghispanic88 09-06-2011 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asall667 (Post 1030311)

Thats what im saying, as I was reading through this I felt like MSF wasn't....well MSF lol. They actually pointed the OP in the right direction but the OP insisted on geting that loud noise. Common, the rules should be an exception once it gets to this point no?

If there was no rules, the OP would prolly be crying right about now :silly:


specially in the Gen one section. I bet this guy wont even donate!

Talking about how he knows about dealing with noobs cause of COD. LMAO, thats a fucking game. MS3s are real my friend, and when shit blows up, well, i guess we'll know who the noob is.

In before "i got a CEL, will it void my warranty?"

08.5MS3 09-06-2011 06:58 PM

I tried to be nice and help. But OP, you kept digging deeper and deeper. Now I'm pissed because you don't listen to ANYONE who has tried to help!

YOU DON'T NEED AN AFTERMARKET BPV!!!!!!! SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT.

asall667 09-06-2011 07:00 PM

ahh this is where the beginning of this song belongs!!


MS3Axela703 09-07-2011 02:54 PM

Lol

Chigga311 09-07-2011 06:39 PM

Don't know much about MS3's but I do know engines/ecu's.

1. I would go SRI for safety. You don't want to suck up water and hydrolock your motor. (Rods and pistons etc. Outside the engine block)
What you should do instead is make a heat shield to keep rad heat away from your filter.
Air temp rises exponentialy whenit is compressed.

2. Cutting th cat out and putting a test pipe WILL give you a CEL.unless you wire in an O2 simulator or put in an O2 bung extender. Or if the AP will get rid of this CEL permanently.

emag remrofni 09-07-2011 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chigga311 (Post 1032363)
Don't know much about MS3's but I do know engines/ecu's.

1. I would go SRI for safety. You don't want to suck up water and hydrolock your motor. (Rods and pistons etc. Outside the engine block)
What you should do instead is make a heat shield to keep rad heat away from your filter.
Air temp rises exponentialy whenit is compressed.

2. Cutting th cat out and putting a test pipe WILL give you a CEL.unless you wire in an O2 simulator or put in an O2 bung extender. Or if the AP will get rid of this CEL permanently.

Groaning for number 2... the second cat on these cars is completely separate from the emissions shit... the second O2 sensor is just after the first cat on the DP.... a test pipe doesn't cause a CEL.


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