CP-e Driver's side mount...Fucking Fail

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by phillyb i like anthony's harshness 100% condoned go in

seriously im straight on a phillyb rampage right now. so fucking tired of BS vendors who dont take care of customers. it would be a different story if the OP was made aware of the TSB and chose to ignore it, but of course cpe posted it on the forums and then told everyone they wont be giving technical help online.

and thats some TOTAL BS about how they put this mount through race track hours. no body who knows anything about real track racing would ever put this POS on their car.

[turd burglar]

Now I'm fairly new to the whole car scene, but honestly has there EVER been a car in history with this terrible of an aftermarket backing?

[8.5MS3]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes as far as im concerned cpe products are about as reliable as PTP at this point. except atleast john gave refunds when his shit got fucked up, cpe will have the nerve to charge people for the new "backing plate" on their already $350 worthless mounts.

only after giving you an hour rant of how they are superior in every way

that really is a shit design, 8 points of potential failure. i mean fuck if they wanted to keep that design at least use fucking safety bolts and wiring...you know the kind used in 2 piece rotors so they cant back out and fail

fucking hell, this is 101 shit

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by 8.5MS3 only after giving you an hour rant of how they are superior in every way that really is a shit design, 8 points of potential failure. i mean fuck if they wanted to keep that design at least use fucking safety bolts and wiring...you know the kind used in 2 piece rotors so they cant back out and fail fucking hell, this is 101 shit

id be willing to bet anyone here would be willing to listen to an hour of worthless banter to get their money back on these mounts or CPE flashes or SB or any of their other worthless products.

[KusteLokal]

I can't believe how fast CP-E went from being a vendor that everyone loved to one that everyone hates.

[8.5MS3]

^^just goes to show how important good customer service is

[Mr_Bill]

Saw the title of this thread and knew what happened before even reading...I had the exact same failure to my driver side mount a few months ago.

I had been waiting for the SU side engine mounts to be in stock, but after 6 months of waiting I saw the new cp-e mounts released and figured I would jump on them, even though there was the risk of running a new product. Both mounts were installed in January, and the instructions on the driver side mount were pretty blurry as far as actually installing the new part. Being an engineer if you don't make something obvious to me (like using locktite in the instructions) I'm not gonna get it, what common sense I did have was washed out by 5 years of college. So the part was installed with no locktite at all.

Fast forward 2 months (and after 1 AutoX in Charlotte) and I was driving around when the mount failed. Luckily I was close to a Quaker Stake so I could drink beer and eat wings while waiting for a tow back to the house (and also luckily it was only 15 min. away instead of 2 hours). At the house I took everything back out and re-installed it with blue locktite (looks like I'll be going back in this weekend to add red locktite) and haven't had any issues since (4 days of AutoX since). For re-install I ended up buying 8 new bolts from the hardware store.

I tried contacting cp-e to see about buying a new bushing housing (since the issue was operator error in my mind at the time) since I wanted to make sure none of the threads were stripped, but they wanted me to send in the original piece before receiving a new one. Couldn't afford to have the car without an engine mount for an unknown amount of time, so I said screw that and just ran with the original parts.

As for the aftermath I ended up taking the car to the dealer to have the CV boot reinstalled. The dealer fixed this for free even though I told them exactly what had happened. The axle itself seems to be find, but the CV joint is bad as I can hear it clicking around when driving from time to time. I took the car in to have the CV joint looked at, but when my front camber is on street settings (~-1.3) vs. race settings (-2.5) there is a definate difference in the amount of noise produced. Can you just have the CV joint replaced or does the whole axle need to be switched out?

As for cp-e, I have had good experiences with them on other purchases (fuel pump, downpipe), but it just sucks that the bulletin wasn't communicated more properly (I bought the mount straight from cp-e and never received anything). Unfortunately our aftermarket pickings for the MS3 are slim and few, so I wish no ill will against anybody trying to make parts to improve on this platform.

[Cataphract_40]

Wow, thanks so much for your insights Bill. Looks like I'm not the first. You even lost your CV joint just like me

[Manny]

wow, so lets chalk up another one.. 3 failures so far

[dizzin9]

loctite? really? that's the difference?

[rigor]

seems like a fair amount of wheel hop would finish the mount with lock tight,

i would not consider running that under any circumstances...

sorry piss poor design....

[wildacex187]

anybody get their cpe topmounts yet?

sorry that it happened to u op. i agree with everybody on this design not looking up to task. at least u are safe though. cv axle shouldnt be that bad to fix.

to cp-e u have lost another customer.

hmm now where should i go for a hpfp

[rigor]

ptp

[wildacex187]

just read something about corksport having something in the works. will wait for their awesomeness!!!

[Todd98SE]

Tack weld the bolts to the steel plate once properly torqued?

When I installed mine I thought that part of the design was a failboat waiting to sail. I wish I could remember if i put locktite on my shit, guess I'll be yanking it out to check tonight.

[zx2man]

Originally Posted by dizzin9 loctite? really? that's the difference?

Yeah Iam not buying it either.

Originally Posted by rigor seems like a fair amount of wheel hop would finish the mount with lock tight, i would not consider running that under any circumstances... sorry piss poor design....

Yes sir indeed. Like Creed said, and shit Im no engineer either, but a solid 1 piece just makes SENSE....Honestly when it concerns a mount that helps to keep my motor and tranny in place, I dont want to ever SEE tiny little screws whatsoever in a mount design.


Once again Dan, Im sorry this happen, really sucks, and your going to have to eat the cv fix, which blows, but Im sure your not surprised.

Josh @cpe knew that msf would put cpe in the mud for this. Well ofcourse, this forum has always been rough around the edges, and bs doesnt get tollerated here.

Right now im at a crossroad in this matter, 1 school of thought is, well when you mod your car you are taking a chance, and if something breaks or gets fucked up then its on you. Then I look at a company like cpe who charges MUCH more than anyone else, when it concerns thier mounts, among other things..then a expensive part breaks because of possible design flaw. I guess as more people put more miles on thier cpe trans mount, well see some more results and go from there.

Dan, can you have cp-e refund you your money?...Maybe you should just go TRZ. IMO, the backplate seems like a bandaid....I could be wrong, but if a mount did that to me, I wouldnt go with the same mount afterwards, just my 2 cents. Best of luck buddy.

[rigor]

ya you only have 3 mounts that hold the entire drive train that see's 360+ ft lbs of torque, and stick some tiny ass bolts for your hole tranny/engine to hang off of ?

get real!! lol
3/8 plate steal all welded no gay screws sorry, that is were i drop the frizzly dazzley bull shit!
and want something strong! so i can see my family @ the end of the day!!

you folks are damn lucky, it didn't come apart @ 160!!

we would be reading about you in the paper!!! **** obituaries****

that is why i used half in aluminum and 3/8 plate all welded i didn't care for some of the offerings out their they looked to light weight , choose carefully you life depends on it .

tranny mount is the last one i have to build and it will be strong! also

no gay bolts will be found on my mounts un less it is 5/8 or 3/4 dia

[theurgy]

I say, here's an opportunity for SURE Motorsports and JBarone to step in and make the mount that SHOULD have been made.

All that said, I'm sad to see this happening.. I've always been a big fan of CP-e. Always done right by me...

I guess that explains why I had a hard time selling my used CP-e intake on here.

[Cataphract_40]

As always, I really appreciate the feedback guys.

I still have my TRZ tranny mount and the stock tripod thing, maybe I will put that back on and go from there...

[kpuser1]

It sucks that it takes failures to point out design flaws..I sure enough thought these were the end all for mounts and was going to purchase..

It's ashame they didn't make them like in post #109....

[doubleflusher]

Nobody, that I know of, has had a problem with these mounts when loctite is used.

[DaleNixon]

Custom Performance Engineering and MSF

When did Gary Sheehan move to CP-E?

[rigor]

Originally Posted by doubleflusher Nobody, that I know of, has had a problem with these mounts when loctite is used.

YOU GONNA PUT YOUR REPUTATION ON THESE ?

LOL

my thought is if a total moron can not put it in with out failure, it is not worth the law suit.

this is a major safety concern if not installed properly (allegedly) yet to be seen...

i wouldn't install it on your car! double, and i dont like you!

[zx2man]

Originally Posted by rigor YOU GONNA PUT YOUR REPUTATION ON THESE ? LOL

LOL exactly.

Now dont get me wrong doubleflusher, Im not dis-crediting you, I just find it INSANE that thier entire 300.00 mount design's success, which took couple years to develope, something that will be help keep a engine-transmission in place, and that engine could be a 280 tq stock, or 400+ tq bigturbo, and the only thing keeping it from huge FAIL is cp-e jizz juice? aka locktite?

I dont know about that lol.

[rigor]

and how much does the mtr/trans weigh hanging on that thing?

800 900 lbs then trow in some slicks, then 250 350 ft lbs of torque, ya right that thing is not going to last.......

[turd burglar]

I'm gonna pull all the bolts, slather those fuckers in loctite, then epoxy the plate to the bushing housing today. Then in 2 weeks when their backing plate comes out, I'll add that too

[MATT DAMOND]

Here's the P/N Dan for the Driver's side Axle Assy: GG4625600B in case you didn't already have it.

[sheldonross]

I originally had a lot of sympathy for the OP (still do), it sucks when something fails that dramatically.

But man this thread is full of whiny bitches. Modifying your car takes a bit of knowledge and a fair amount of risk tolerance. If you can't except that, keep your car stock. Yeah, CPE should probably explicitly tell you to use loctite - and apparently they do now. A certain amount of prior knowledge is assumed.
If I sell you an intake, and you don't know enough not to finger the MA sensor. it's on you.
If I sell you aftermarket head studs and you don't replace the head gasket, it's on you.
If I sell you aftermarket fog lights and you don't know enough to wire in a relay, it's on you.

Originally Posted by dizzin9 loctite? really? that's the difference?

Loctite makes a world of fucking difference. I've serviced literally hundreds of alternators and the only thing that keeps the pulley nut from flying off into your radiator is a little dab of loctite.

[DaleNixon]

Look for the nylon washer fix coming soon!

[Tokay444]

whiny bitches that aren't brown

[8.5MS3]

shut the fuck up brownie


its a shit design, 8 small bolts holding up an engine......think about it.


cpe i see you down there, wanna say something....or is my cursing too much for you to take now



god it was so much better when jake was there

[sheldonross]

Originally Posted by 8.5MS3 shut the fuck up brownie its a shit design, 8 small bolts holding up an engine......think about it.

I'd actually venture that 3 of those bolts have the shear and tensile capacity to handle the mount. They aren't failing, they're backing out, get a clue.

Lol this is comical, I'm ASE Master certified. Say what you will about it, I deal with hobbyists and shade tree mechanics on a daily basis. The truth is very few of you actually have the knowledge and experience to properly modify your vehicles. But keep at it, I get a lot of business off your learning experiences.

[8.5MS3]

i dont give a fuck what your certification is

Ive got a PE in Mechanical Engineering. big fucking deal doesnt mean dick in real life

wanna see all my licenses?

gtfo

[Tokay444]

i write cnc programs to produce airplane parts. the design is fail.

[Grumpyjap]

I know I'm going to get flamed or you'll just disregard my post, but I've done 4 track days so far this season with the mount in question, with the red locktite and after taking the mount off and inspecting it, it's still holding.
Also, Sheldonross, brownie or not, is right, 3 of those bolts have the strength to hold that mount together. The vibrations are backing them out. Now we know, whoever has these mounts and decides to continue using them should definitely make sure they have locktite on them.

[xxdjfate76xx]

WTF!! Really? ASE certified?? There's Autozone employees that are ASE certified!! None of your examples make any sense.. If I buy a headgasket that requires ASSEMBLY, then it is up to the manuf to provide that info according to THEIR design/engineering.

[phillyb]

so lemme get this straight...

red loctite is the new nylon washers?

[Tokay444]

red loctite is the new ducktape

[triplejumper18]

[Grumpyjap]

red locktite is the new whistle tip