Custom Axles Heavy Duty
 

I am working with a place called Gator Axles in Orlando FL and the guy has asked me to get measurements of the axle that i had laying around, I have the Passenger 2 piece axle with the side that goes into tranny you call Jack shaft or Intermediate shaft it has Male Splines on Both Sides Both sides are 28 Splines Each and the side that connects to the Actual Axle has the locking pin on the end

The actual Axle Fully compressed is 23 3/16" Inches and the Female side that mates to the Jack shaft is 28 Inner Splines OR 26 splines with 2 Blanks = 28 and the Threaded end that goes through hub and has axle spindle lock nut is Male 28 Splines.

Driver side is 23 9/16" Compressed 30 splines tranny side and is MALE, and hub side is 28 splines and is made with threads

OEM replacements can be ordered from (407)-839-3349 Orlando, FL

The Axles are EMPI and part #

I just paid 75$ for from this place for the driver side 80-3957
The part #’s are 80-3957 for the left (driver) and 80-3952 for the right (passenger)

Ordered from this place in Orlando Phone# is 407-839-3349

Does anyone have the specs on the driver side? mine is leaking from the inner boot there is a gash and I am getting clunking while breaking hard in gear, or reversing etc. The measurements i got were from a Spare axle I have in my possession has anyone on a MS3 gotten beefier axles anywhere else, post ALL known axle info on MS3 here please. any phone numbers or names of businesses you ever sourced information or parts from for MS3 Axles.

ok........but do we really need custom axles?

I dont know but, When i toss on slicks and drop 450 ft lb to the track and hook i have no idea what will happen, but im sure getting a minor upgrade at all will help the cv, and might there me stronger boots that wont break like mine did.

To be clear I am not concerned with the shaft its the cv joints I want stronger and the boot

It will be nice to know when you buy a new axle its just a bit stronger then the OEM ? not a used rebuilt pos ? Fuck paying the dealer for new ones ....

why wouldent you go to the driveshaft shop?

i dont understand what do you mean, to get repair or buy new ones ?

can you be more specific skates

The Driveshaft Shop | Mazdaspeed 6 - Mazda - Import Axles

here is what skaters is talking about and i can attest that these are some nice axles as i have snapped many of stock axles and i have yet to break this one once!! I have done several low 1.7 60ft launches and a couple of 1.6 60ft launches without a peep out of this axle..

I now this pic shows the speed6 Axle but they might sell the speed3 axles as well..

They have both ms3 axles, all 4 ms6 axles, and awd ms3 swap axles iirc. I had one of the prototype ms6 axles and it was damn beefy.

i guess i have to call because ms3 axles not showing on catalog

Subbin, to remind me of this site.

here is my axle so you can see the difference


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...10601-2324.jpg

You got a comparison between each axle?

Those look beefy. So far only 9900rpm has managed to his axle on the speedthreeh from launching

I'm interested in these as well.

i too can testify to the DSS's axles. i snapped mine at the track only making 350wtq, swapped it out and cut a 1.6 on street tires on my speed6.
and it was the CV joint that shattered, not the shaft.

thats what im afraid of is the cv joint, noones gonna snap the fucking shaft itself ...

@qtrmile beast who made that axle ?

Dss

this is the drive shaft shops axle...

We used to run the Gator stuff back in 04 on the SFWD Honda cars. We were still experiencing issues. Most of us that run the power levels we have now run the DSS. i have already talked to Frank there, and I sent him a set of the MS3 axles to utilize as a template.

Jason

Sweet. Good looking out man. Appreciate it.

when can we expect to see these axle's avail? I can see in the near future I will have to replace my passenger side at least the half shaft. I figure one good hookup with higher levels and the CV joint will finally go out on me.

I am currently in the process of getting all the information and pictures gathered for a lot of stuff that will be available this year for the platform. Including an intake manifold I am working on. As soon as I have everything collected I will update my SEMA thread in the Gen 2 general discussion forum.

Jason

Wow, I didn't know they made our fronts too? Nice! I'm sure we'll be seeing the front stockers start giving way with all the potential HP coming our way this year!

I'm lookin forward to seeing all your hard work pay off man! TONS of great products are coming soon guys! :)

^^^ Said Thread Here: SEMA 2011 Update Thread

I talked to DSS today and they don't have anything currently avail for the MS3. just a heads up to those who are looking

Here is a teaser pic for you . . . .

Jason

umm FAIL; DSS said NO

whats with people cutting the stock flange off and welding on runners and a plenum? i hope u dont think anyone would ever buy a hack job like that......

can anyone get to a driver side axle and count the splines on each side then stand the axle str8 up and measure its length FULLY compressed

why are you fixing shit that aint broke? theres nothing wrong with planning for the future but prove something isent worthy before you go replacing it.

Honestly I could care less if anyone wants it. This is what we decided to work with at this time. I am not trying to sell it. This is something that we are doing for a 1st gen car a friend has. I have a buddy with a CNC that is currently cutting a flange from 7075 for us to mess around with as well. But at the very least it may inspire others to get involved and see what they can come up, etc.

Jason

are you "bitching" at me?, because i have a fucking axle screaming replace me and shooting axle jizz everywhere... and when i purchase one I want a stronger one, only 33k miles so ugh .... yah and i never launch from a dig either. there is NO point in trying on street tires

They were prototypes not retail units, not sure if it makes a difference.

I have changed out boots more than a few times. The axles are fine but the OEM boot material is shit. If you knick the inner one when you change out struts they will puncture and start leaking. Especially the drivers side.
The neoprane boots from EMPI I used to replace OEM seem to be holding out well so far.

Kmac and Silverdemon have already fabricated intake manifolds...


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I saw the thread from I believe Silver about the JM ones I think. We figured hell why not, let's see what we can try. The more ideas/thoughts/actual built units for visual critique etc the better. Hell this is how we started in 1996 with the Hondas. Just cut off the stock plenum and made a bigger one on the stock runners. Now there are all types of options.

Jason

I've been looking around for a quality replacement, as my driver side CV is pretty well fucked. Would jump on some good ones in half a heart beat.

Is EMPI the only option we have aside from OEM?? They're the only ones I've found (from a quick search) that offer anything for our platform, but my skills aren't as great as some of yours'.

link or part number to boots you got please or any info you got

I found some OEM replacements from EMPI and talked to manager on the phone and got all the specs. ill update OP

You wont fucking believe this Gator axle tried to charge me 213$(without shipping) for the same axle I just paid 75$ for from this place
The part #’s are 80-3957 for the left (driver) and 80-3952 for the right (passenger)

Ordered from this place in orlando Phone# is 407-839-3349

the EMPI Axles have Neoprene Boots instead of the hard plastic boots that are cracking on the OEM !

thats all i wanted was a lil improvement somewhere and for 75$ .. i paid more then that for a junk yard axle ....

this was basically my point. if you diddent break your axle from launching why do you need an upgraded one? the DSS version is close to $500 per axle and i knew you werent looking to spend that.

thanks man!!
 

If you only knew how happy you've just made me. I've spent too much time today e-searching possible matches and sending out e-mails asking if a certain axle will fit our application. One week and mine is ordered.

What was the damage on the shipping??

U have no idea what u r talking about. A straight runner off a straight cut flange will not give u the transition u need for turbulence and flow . If u don't meet the heads runner angle with intake runner u will pass a flow bench , but once It's on the head It's a diff situation. No one makes a flange to maintain runner angle and port transition . Until then for the best flow you're stuck with this solution . If I had a cnc I would make one , but I don't so I can't and It's not worth it for me to invest in it. With port work that will out flow a straight flange. People spend a lot of time designing manifolds to blow air on top of the valve for flow and turbulence. People also spend a lot of time raising the roof on cyl head so the runner is more angled so It's more on top of the valve, also for flow.

Dont do it. I had the passenger side axle from them and the shaft snapped in half at the drag strip on street tires. I have pics of you want to see.

they said 10-20 bucks he was supposed to call me back and confirm transaction is complete let me check the bank and see if ther is a charge

Skates I woulda paid 3-400 per axle prolly not 5 tho.

yah if u got pics id like to see im not doubting you but it would be good to see

Here you go....

http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC00387-1.jpg

http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/a...f/DSC00390.jpg

http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC00388-1.jpg

[quote=Boosten Ya(josh);1230841]Here you go....
DAAAAAMMMM :eek2:

That is what i paid for mine from DSS..$350

Yeah. If we can't get stronger axles then go with oem.

fuck i already paid lol, you where at the track you said ?

Yes my local drag strip. I was only on 15psi. It was the 3rd pass when It happened

did you wheel hop what so ever on any of the passes or any times at track before this

how were you launching, pretty hard ?

No wheel hop. It was the 2nd time I've been to the track. 1st time I was completely stock. I had launch control set at 2800 and I was dumping the clutch. I know I'm not good at launching thats why I'm going to start road racing lol

Here's another choice - Raxles:

http://www.raxles.com/

Not a fanboi for anyone and I've not used them for my Speed 3. But I have used them on several other applications for replacement of stock FWD shafts. Prices are extremely reasonable. Turn around is prompt and they even supply loaner special sockets.

And they are seriously into making custom racing axles and beefed up CV joints for extreme power applications.

When I called Raxles to ask about an axle for my speed 3, they told me they didn't make axles for our platform yet. He asked if I knew the guy who had just called asking about the same thing. It looks like they're seeing the interest, but they haven't jumped yet.

SFWD 1934 says he gave axles to DSS to template replacements So those might be available eventually

the only problem with your statement is that in the pict posted earlier the runners are flat and then meet the angled flange. its the same thing as if you had straight runner and a straight flange meeting an angled head.

the only way your angled argument works is if you do a tubular manifold like the stocker where the runners come up and then go down to meet the same angle as the head. i have never seen someone who cut the stock flange off and did this or else they would just be replicating the stock mani.

I dont know what Marty is so concerned about. I have spoken with him about this several times already. He stays busy with other axles but he has been reluctant to do the Speed3 axles. He will come to his sense soon im sure :)

Great guy. I recall he got busted up a bit a year or two ago in a small private plane crash, but has bounced back strong. Must just have a full plate. Give them a set of stock axles and I'll bet they can fab up some super strong ones for racing ASAP if he tells his shop to get it done.

Um no. Mine is cut and maintains factory angle . It was milled to do that and mine come straight out . U don't need to go down then up our factory head plus 3" of runner is more then enough runner length for boost. The head is 4.5 inches to the valve stem. Mine is nothing like factory and I've flowed the highest numbers on a flow bench after the port work, with the throttle body on. I've also hit the highest g/s on gas or meth after I changed my clutch. I never went over 28psi. On meth most of my logs were 26.5 and I still broke 600 g/s. So the runner angle plays a huge part as far as I'm concerned.

Axels intake manifold axels intake manifold axels intake etc.........which one is this thread about again??? Lol

Well I ordered the drivers side axle from RockAuto - it's the EMPI one, hopefully it'll be good and not snap like the other poster.

Hahaha just dont launch with it. If you have a ms6 then you might be fine but I wouldn't trust it.

Any update on the upgraded ms3 axles?

supplmental information

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...6/#post2631344

Hey man do you have the part numbers for the boots you used ?