Darkstar & PTP Tranny Mounts
 

Both came in today lol.
First off what a PITA on both mounts! :cussing: Both are slightly off from top mounting to bottom.
Make sure you support your tranny so it doesn't move. Mine didn't move that much probably cause of the other 3 mounts I already have installed lol.
PTP on left, Medieval on right. PTP has thicker plates, Medieval has better welds.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...ptrannymm0.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...ptrannymm1.JPG
PTP on bottom, Medieval on top. Medieval comes with a short main bolt, PTP comes with a longer main bolt w/ washers and a shorter bolt & washer for the tranny bolt.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...ptrannymm2.JPG
PTP on right, Medieval on left. PTP comes with a Passenger side mount insert.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...ptrannymm3.JPG
After you get the battery, ecu, battery tray out of the way. Move one shifter cable (closest to the driver's fender) by using needle nose, squeeze and pull up.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...ptrannymm4.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...ptrannymm5.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...ptrannymm6.JPG
Stock stuff removed, you will reuse the intake/harness/battery platform plate. (The bottom left thingy).
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...ptrannymm7.JPG
On the Medieval you will need to use washers or spacer, used 5 washer to take up space of the stock cast piece. The remaining space will be filled by the bracket plate.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...ptrannymm8.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...ptrannymm9.JPG
On both the Medieval and PTP you will need to pry the tranny back and forth and jack up and down the tranny to line everything up. The easiest way is to have everything loose and bolted before you tighten down, but that makes it harder to tighten the bottom bolt and nuts. So it's up to you.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm10.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm11.JPG
Here is the PTP bolt supplied by PTP vs stock bolt, it is shorter to take up space.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm12.JPG
PTP almost installed.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm13.JPG
Medieval almost installed.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm14.JPG
I also had to elongate the battery tray mounting holes to keep it off my intlet tube.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm15.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm16.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm17.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm18.JPG

question: the stock mount has a bend in the top plate, and the battery tray mount thinger has a step down in it as well. it looks as tho these 2 manufacturers did not do a step down. does that mean your battery tray is now not level?

good write up, thank you.

holy crap! great pictures...which mount did you end up using? ptp or dsms?

do you have driving impressions of both?

which is easier to install and better quality overall?

hmmm looks good... so what is the final verdict on the dark star? lookin at em side by side the dsm looks damn better then i thought. like 100 times better. i might have to sway for it. and hell those welds on the dsm are top notch. but having them which seems like it will get the job done? that is all i care about at the end of the day not putting this thing on the floor.

I like the bushing orientation on the PTP better, it seems like the mount could pivot on the bolt passing through the bushing in the DSMS..

The top mount plates on both does lift it like 1/4th to 1/2th of an inch, but leveling is not effected that much. Nothing to worry about. IF you have a smaller battery it won't affect you at all. (odyssey/braile). Also the Medieval has that bend in the top plate to help compensate for it.


Medieval. Just drove the Medieval. Vibrations are up alittle more than before but I have all four mounts in, so it might not be good comparision to all that have/will have three mounts. Dash shakes more and steering wheels is alittle numbing. But it feel like a different vibration thou.


PTP is thicker metal, Medieval has better welds. Both are about the same if you score it out.
PTP is $99 and DSMS is $75. Medieval is about 30% easier to install. I will let you decide.

The motor will twist/rotate, not swing. Well maybe alittle with the three mount setups lol.
The PTP positioning of the bushing with engine movement front to back, stress is less on the bushing. Movement with the bolt.
The Medieval postioning of the bushing with engine movement front to back, stress is on the bushing more. Movement against the bolt.
I have to say that PTP's top plate is stronger than the DSMS's. PTP is a solid plate and DSMS is thinner and has the hole in it which would make it weaker.
I would say: (just a guess)
PTP = Stress of 500-up whp
Medieval = Stress of 350-450whp
Don't know the warranties on these, hope each one will chime in on that.

nice write up

how does one tighten the bolt for the ptp mount?

3/8" Rachet with 6" extension & short 19mm socket on the bolt head (to hold in place) and 1/2" Rachet with 6" extension with swivel/universal joint & regular/deep well 19mm socket on the nut. Would be easier with two people lol. :nana:

Oh forgot, used blue Loc-tite on the nuts and bolts.

50 more miles on it:

The tranny noise is now amplified. Clutch friction and whine are heard more. I can hear in the cabin with windows up, louder than before.

BUT...when you go, you go. No hesitation from pedal to ground. No delay. The car feels more solid now, meaning power to the ground. Have not tried to make it wheels hop yet.
With four mounts I should have very little wheel hop, but still want traction bars. :deal:

great write up, will definitely use this later when I get mine

Yeah, I feel that too. I think it might even be a little easier to shift, now that the tranny isn't flopping around.

So how bad are the vibes?
Very noticeable?

an upgraded rear mount improved shifting characteristic, i'm sure these would be an awesome combination. +1 on traction bars. they are great for fwd.

For me, its more noise than motion. It is very noticeable.

thanks bioevolve i am going darkstarmotorsports on this one. i am gonna be realistic and tell you my car will never see north of 310whp if even that. that mount looks plenty beefy to me, the welds are sex, and i like the price for sure:). well thank you for the awesome pics and info dsm is what i choose so as soon as i get 75 buck i know what i am ordering lol.

so you say the DSMS is 30% easier to install because of the motor mount being accessible from top...whereas the PTP, it's below the plate and you have to go by "feel" not "sight"?

there are a few members on mazda247 that has problems with the DSMS mount...saying it doesn't line up right...here is the link

Mazda Forums - View Single Post - GB; Mazdaspeed 3 Transmission Mount-$80 SHIPPED

Lifttime on the mount, 2 years on the bushings. That would be for the warranty. Thanks for the great write up, let me know what you think about our mount after you get it installed, keep me informed on the vibe changes as well. Thanks again.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...tml#post133949, Ask and I will deliver.

One thing that I wanted to add is we have the threw welds also. If you see the little pucks on both the back sides of the mount base plates. Those welds are there to keep things in check and make the base plate as we whole work with the mount. I will work on making the welds look a little better but I am always shooting for function over looks when it comes to things like this. Prettier welds should not be a problem with future mounts.

Mental Addiction makes awesome parts when they actually deliver them to people...

On that link to m247, what is wrong with that guy's vertical plates going to the bushing? They look bent, the left picture, wouldn't that be the problem? IDK.

Update:
Just checked mine and it looks the same as the one on M247. Bottom of the bushing is sticking out cause of either the top plate and/or bottom bracket is not lined up correctly. Just got an email from DSMS: Medieval is sending me another top plate and/or whole mount kit to fix the problem. Seems like only the first batch (they are sending those people new top plates and/or whole kits) is not lining up and they already have the fix for the second batch.
It didn't look wrong when the tranny was jacked up for lining up, but did after driving and settling in.

thanks for the great info and writeup...

I got the passenger side mount insert with my PT-P mount but don't know much about it. I have the darkstar passenger mount so probably won't need it? Can someone elaborate on this?

So, do I need a new part too?

It's interesting the you liked the pretty mount, which happens to be defective....better than the PTP mount, which isn't.

You should be able to use it. See if it fits between the forward leading edge of the new mount, thin part up top and thcker part between the mount and the mount bracket. Hope this helps.

where was it defective in that whole post?

do shed light on what you mean by defective. i have the top speed (from darkstar) pass mount.

= defective

oh, we're talking tranny side

Ok, today I felt a DIFFERENT VIBRATION! Deceleration vibs. It a very noticable feeling than the normal vibration. So I decide to take Medieval mount out, see for yourself:
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm19.JPG
See how the angle being off causes the the bushing to cock.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm20.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm21.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm22.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm23.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm24.JPG
Out of the vehicle untouched.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm25.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm26.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm27.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm28.JPG
Another reason for the cocking beside mis-alignment is it is a 2-piece bushing setup, it nees to be a solid one piece. Well a 2-piece needs both plate ends to fully flush on the outsides of the bushing, so mainly alignment problem.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm29.JPG

PTP Tranny mount is back in now. :approve::09: +1 for PTP.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm30.JPG

That's just unreal man. Sorry about your troubles, but that shit needs to come off. I think mine lines up okay. The vibes are actually starting to go away slightly. Did you buy both mounts for the same car or do you have them installed on different cars?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...DSC00208-1.jpg
Mine
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm21.JPG
Yours

damn...i can't wait to get my ptp mount in there

Reason why I picked Medieval over PTP was I had other parts from both companies and at the time before this, it was DSMS +1 (pass mm) and PTP 0 (test pipe).
Now it is even again. PTP +1 and DSMS +1.

Anyways, I will give a driving result on the PTP tomorrow. :fingersx:

I see yours is starting to stick out of the bottom closest to the fender side. IF I'm looking at yours correctly. Could be a shadow lol.
Bought both mounts on one car lol.

great thread. keep us updated on how the ptp hold up

Okay, a I'm starting to see everyone worries about the tranny mount.

first of all, it includes a LIFE TIME WARRANTY on every part of the mount.

As for the busing not lining up and squeezing out the side like that. The kits are missing the hardware portion of them, which medieval did not send me.

a smaller bolt so you won't have to use washers on that one tranny bolt
And spacers for the base plate to even out the angle on the bushing.

AGAIN, I"M SO SORRY ABOUT THIS FELLAS!

This has been brought up the Medieval when the first case was presented to us. They wil be sending the hardware kits directly to everyone who has order the monts from the GB.

This is a great product, I just hope you guys don't mind letting us fix our error to no cost to you.

Am I supposed to have spacers under the bottom piece?

no, under the the base plate under the battery to correct the bad angle on the bushing. You can use washers if you rather not wait. It's what a local guy did out here in San deigo. they, eveything will be fine.

And he LOVES the mount!

Huh?

First of all, are you talking about me? I'm in San Diego.

Is this the bottom piece, the top piece or the battery tray?

I think DS is talking about the top plate. Guessing spacers under the motor side and none on the fender side of the top plate.

yes the top piece. This will help correct the angle.

Also some people are having probelms with the bushing being squeeze out the top once the engine load is on it, becasue there is a little bit of a gap, where the bushing mets with the other mount.

If you place 1 or 2 washers in there, this will sovle that issue too and take up the extra room. Try to use a large diameter washer.


AGAIN, I'm sorry for this everyone. I'm a huge believer in customer serivce, and if I receive this mount and had these same problems I would want a fix ASAP.

I hope this helps everyone out! I'll be near the computer for the rest of the evening, so if anyone else has any more questions or concerns, please PM or email me.

PTP mount feels like it has alittle less vibration or I have gotten used to both of them lol.
I still have my odd deceleration vibration, but it doesn't happen all the time. Several times I tried to make it virbrate upon deceleration and by pushing the clutch in it goes away. Possible bad clutch?!?!?! Might not be because I didn't feel this vibration until I installed these mounts. I think both mounts pull the tranny up alittle higher than the stock mount. I can't confirm that yet.:spam:

My AWR tranny mount also added a vibration on deceleration. It's normal..

It's not constant, it's two different vibrations right now. The normal vibs, then is the more strong random vibs. I can't realy explain it, you have to feel it. It didn't start until after 50 miles with the Medieval mount and is still there with the PTP mount. Axle angles have changed?!?!?!

Anyways here are some more pics of the PTP in the car, I didn't feel like taking it apart lol. Anyone know if the PTP is a 2-part bushing or a single one?

http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm31.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm32.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm33.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm34.JPG

I know exactly what your talking about...

There is a normal vibration that you get at or near idle that gradually lessens as the rpms rise(there is also some significant gear whine)..

There is also a different vibration that's much stronger than the other that will only happen under deceleration and under certain conditions. I could almost make it happen at will with the AWR mount. It seems to depend on the load that's on the motor when you get off the gas..

So it's basically a load and harmonics vibs dependent on certain conditions? So we are feeling an unbalanced form of vibs from a supposingly balanced setup lol? Well it's not balanced anymore lol.
But you are right on, I just couldn't explain it like you just did, Thanks!

bio, did you need the washers for the ptp mount?

If you are refering to the 3 extra silver washers, I thought it needed. You can try it without the extra washers and see if it bottoms out, the bronze color one is supplied by PTP. Actually they supplied 3 of them, I used the other 2 on the ends of the main bushing bolt.

is that the stock bolt you used?

Nope, it's the one PTP supplied alittle shorter than the stock bolt.
Here is the PTP bolt supplied by PTP vs stock bolt, it is shorter to take up space.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm12.JPG

If I'm remembering correctly, stock is 17mm and PTP is 19mm head sizes.

Bio, do you have upgraded passenger and rear mounts as well? Also, it takes some time for the vibes to settle according to ptp so you may need to drive it a while more (they said 1500 miles in the instructions).

Yeah:
Top Speed Passenger
SU Rear Lower
Turbine Tech Front

I now all about that lol, just giving intial review of the vibs.:laugh2:

ahh now i see it. your battery tray is not level anymore, and that is why you had to slot the battery box holes, because it was leaning towards your intake.

Did you get the Top Speed, or the Medieval passenger mount? What is a Turbine Tech Front?

Bingo!


Top Speed Passenger Mount
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...fmm-oc-sp.html
Turbine Tech Front Engine Mount: MAZDASPEED 3
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Come to think of it.
I wanna correct something:
Darkstar is a Vendor not the Manufacturer of this mount. This is not a negative shot at Darkstar.
I should have titled this Medieval & PTP Tranny Mount. I guess I saw Darkstar as a Manufacturer, Sorry man.
Corrected my wrong lol.:biggthumpup:

when you look at it, is it visible? can you tell the thing is angled towards the motor? that would piss me off. i hate when things do not line up and are not symmetrical...

the TRZ has that jog bend in it, correct?

I didn't pay any attention to the way the battery stance looked, just looked at the ecu housing touching the inlet pipe and adjusted accordingly.

All Medieval motor mounts come with a life time warranty. As for these issues that are being shown here, this is due to the hardware kit not being installed. When we sent DS his shipment it was a mistake on our part. The tranny mount comes with 2 x 2" washers and a bolt. The 2" washers are meant to be placed on each side of the bushing. This will eliminate the issues you see in these pictures. We here are very sorry about this and have received all the address from DS and are sending off hardware kits. If anyone has any issues or concerns, please fell free to email us at sales@medievalllc.com

Medieval has sent me a pic of all the hardware kits that were shipped out. So that you guys will have edvidence that you are getting you correct pieces.

I see mine there lol.:smashfreakB:

I hope your not one of the bottom two envelopes, because I'm about to steal both their identities....:owned:

d00d, i like you, but you can't be posting that picture man. that shit has addresses in there.

word

It bothered me as well. Problem being bending or form fitting a .250 thick piece of plate steel takes tooking that costs into the $100's of thousands of dollars. We could get them form fitted but it would have taken the mount up to $400 per unit. The offset is very minimal, if you have a case of OCD it might bother you a good amount. We are taking a look at putting one bend in it or adding some spacers to the corners to level the mount out a little better. There is just so much you can do until you start running into problems with cost. Keep us updated on the mount and we will be in here to answer any questions that we can. Thanks.

HAHAHAHA, it would be hard to get anything out of my identity. Bu:spank:t DSMS should blur them out.

Seriously? Hundreds of thousands of dollars? My dad does this shit all day that would take 10 seconds to do and maybe 50cents a piece over the initial costs. The trz doesn't cost $200-300 a unit.

i wouldnt know but if your right damn!:smokin:

bending shit is pretty cheap dude... redrocket is right, it wouldn't add much to the cost of the part to do it. while it may cost more than competitors, some will appreciate the attention to detail and perfect fit


wouldn't you start running out of thread on the nuts? it seems to me that once you add the thickness of the material and spacers, you would not have much thread to screw onto...

Even with the spacers it shouldn't be any thicker than the stock cast mount, so there shouldn't be any issue...

the piece in question is the piece with the bushing in it. it is made out of heavy sheet metal, but not 1\4 inch stuff. i'm wondering, with the added thickness of metal and spacers, and without putting the bend in there, is there enough thread left?

My mistake, I thought they were talking about spacers to get the mount to sit level, not washers to hold the bushings in place.

Looking at the pictures of the darkstar mount installed there is plenty of thread on that bolt to account for those spacers...

Here you guys go.....

Hey John (PTP), I got another tranny mount from you, what you want me to do with it?
This one has better welds than the first one! HAHAHA, LMK.:laughing:
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm35.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm36.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm37.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm38.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm39.JPG

Hey Rich, what's up with these guys sending you extra mount. By the way which one you like better now. I might send PTP the money for that extra tranny mount they send you and go to your place to pick it up instead of having you sending it back to PTP, thats if they agree to do that...will pay via Paypal.

I'm using the PTP one now, I sent back the Medieval one.
I don't know why I keep getting extra parts lol, I'm not complaining hahaha.
It all depends on what PTP says I guess, John chime in please.

hmm... im debating which mount to get. does anyone have any instructions on how to install this (with pics or somewhat detailed instructions). and i am extremely confused on where and why the spacers are needed. this may (hopefully) fix the shifting problem i have if due to that mount (dunno if its busted or not).

Dark Star is one of our dealers and stocks most of our product line. As for instructions, we are working on those for every motor mount we have and the Speed 3 ones will be done in 1-2 weeks. Pictured are much better shoots of our passenger side and transmission mount and the required hardware for each.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...tml#post140847

The transmission mount hardware went out to everyone and you will see 2 different packages (washers and then bolt).
If you do not see these for some reason, please send me an email at sales@medievalllc.com
If you can not wait you will need the following:
2x 2" washers with 1/2 holes
1x 12mm x 1.25 x 25mm bolt.
If you choose to buy your own hardware( less than $3) before ours shows up, please let me know. I will credit you $10 towards your next order of Medieval parts with Dark Star or with us directly.

Bioevolve, did you loosen the rear mount like stated in the instruction sheet? If you did, which bolt(s) did you loosen. Thanks!! PTP chime in if you read this. I'm doing my install tomorrow so I'll post my impressions. Hopefully everything will go smoothly.

Never got instruction on both mounts lol.
I did not loosen the rear mount.

PM me, and I can get you some directions

All of our mounts come with install directions, sorry that we missed those with your kit.

We will have another mount shipping out to you ASAP for the recall. Please let me know when you can get the old mount back to me. Thanks.

I can send it out tuesday, since monday is a holiday. :196:

Well I did the install today (ptp) and had a hard time with that tab/bracket shown in the pic. Apparently mine was bent downwards very slightly preventing the mount from fitting correctly over the studs. After toying with it for an hour with extreme frustration, I bent it upwards with my fingers (if you grab ahold of it with both hands it can be bent a little). After that the mount slid easily (with some prying) over the studs.

Overall impression: Impressive!!! I love it and the vibrations havent gotten any worse although I do have that slight secondary one when slowing down (getting off the gas) described above - not a big deal and probably won't last. This was a very noticeable upgrade despite the fact I had the other stiffer mounts (passenger and rear) already installed. Shifting is easier and throttle response is even better! I will definitely recommend this mod to someone who's thinking about future power mods or just want piece of mind. However ALL 3 mounts should be done, not just the tranny. So far the darkstar passenger and medieval rear have held up well and are doing their jobs - very happy here!

Did you see this?
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...tml#post142367

No I didn't, thanks for pointing it out. I guess I'll have to go back to the drawing board once the new mount comes in. This is a bummer for sure.

Failure is not what anyone wants. It not only reflects the products inability to perform to the hype, but it also makes a conversation piece that nobody wants. We just went down this road when our first batch of transmission mounts went out the door without hardware. The good news was only a handful of people installed theirs and the issue was addressed with the needed hardware kit.
Design, theory and testing go into all of our motor mounts. Some people have asked why ours is better than brand X. All businesses believe they have the best and will come up with tricky slogans or competitive market tactics to win the sale. We, here at Medieval, test our products months in advance before we publicly talk about it. During testing we use 4 to 6 outside customers to run our products. This is done to ensure we get a diverse opinion and customer’s point of view. Simply put, what is common to one might not be common to the next and if an issue was to arise it will be found.

Lets get down to the basics on why we build our mount the way we do. The weakest point of a straight line will be the middle (or use numbers 1 thru 6 and 3 being the weakest. This is a very generic example).
So, lets do an example. We will use the numbers 1 thru 6. 1 is a contact point (transmission base plate) and 6 is the other contacting point (upper mount plate).
If you were to put a force, forward or aft the weakest point would be directly in the middle.
So, 3 would see the greatest force. Now if you were to try and bend at the number 4 it would be harder due to it being closer to the contacting point or number 6. Try and bend at 5 and you will see it getting harder. You get the picture.

Our transmission mount was designed so that the contacting bolt from the base plate was at number 7! Greater rigidity and connecting point strength.
Next, our connecting bolt runs side to side. We have done this so that the area of mass picks up the vibrations and for/aft movement. If you are to run your bolt connecting point forward and aft, several problems arise. One major issue being the bushing! The bushing is stepped. It is stepped so that it will fit into the tubing. The outer diameter would be 2” while the stepped side is 1.625. The outer lip is only .35” thick. So by placing the bolt forward and aft you put the entire forward and aft TQ or axial movement on .35” thick urethane. Over time this will FAIL because there is not enough material to support these loads and with it being stepped it will eventually push the outer lip of the bushing right off. Design, Theory and Testing!

ok so i talked to mechanic at a mazda dealership about a problem i have and he says its possible that my mount did fail. if that is the case i will be ordering one as soon as i take the car to him so he can look at it. but im not too sure which one to go with. my main concern is the ease of install... and to make sure my engine doesnt fall.

The Mediveal mount is very simple to install, you can do it in your own garage if needed. I do have instructions if you need them.

hopefully I will get one of those fixed mounts from ptp i can tell right now mine bushing failed ....i can see you get 3 of them....

Installed another Medieval Tranny Mount with all the hardware. The tranny bolt supplied is the correct length, no washers needed.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm43.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm44.JPG

After 1500+ miles on the PTP Tranny Mount with no bushing tears. I use the SU Rear Mount, if anyone asks. No signs of bushing damage. STill gotta get the revised one.
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm40.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm41.JPG
http://www.freedomcomputers.net/ms3/...trannymm42.JPG

So, you installed a different Medieval mount 1500 miles ago? So you got the right sized bolt for the bottom bracket, but what about the bolt that goes through the bushing? Was is long enough? Did you use the two side washers around the bushings?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...MG_4725CR2.jpg

Yes that one was the first batch that didn't come with anything.
This one I got yesterday.
Yes, it came with the washers, short tranny bolt and the a longer bushing bolt. Everything that is was supposed to come with. :tongue3:

so the hardware kit made the difference? the mount itself didn't actually change or anything?

did installation become less pain in the ass?

Yes.
Nope.
Nope lol.

Did this come in the package that Darkstar sent? The only things I got in my package was the two bushing washers, and an extra unneeded washer. I asked him if I should be expecting an extra bolt, and he PM's back asking what size I need.

So, he gave you this bolt, but doesn't know what I'm talking about?

This came straight from Medieval not Darkstar, I'm guessing that Darkstar didn't know about that for the second batch.

I got a whole new mount w/ kit (latest batch). I returned the first one to Darkstar 3 weeks ago and ordered a whole new one last week.

Ferdball,

Have you installed you mount yet? If not could you send it back an I will sent you a up to date kit like Bioevole.

There is not need to send the mount back. It is a hardware kit that he needs. He contacted me and a hardware kit is shipping tomorrow. There is no difference in the tranny mounts from first batch to second and so on. They are all the same. The first batch went out without hardware by mistake. Those issues have been addressed and a thing of the past.