Darkstar & PTP Tranny Mounts

[Ferdball]

Originally Posted by darkstarmotorsports no, under the the base plate under the battery to correct the bad angle on the bushing. You can use washers if you rather not wait. It's what a local guy did out here in San deigo. they, eveything will be fine. And he LOVES the mount!

Huh?

First of all, are you talking about me? I'm in San Diego.

under the the base plate under the battery

Is this the bottom piece, the top piece or the battery tray?

[bioevolve]

I think DS is talking about the top plate. Guessing spacers under the motor side and none on the fender side of the top plate.

[darkstarmotorsports]

Originally Posted by bioevolve I think DS is talking about the top plate. Guessing spacers under the motor side and none on the fender side of the top plate.

yes the top piece. This will help correct the angle.

Also some people are having probelms with the bushing being squeeze out the top once the engine load is on it, becasue there is a little bit of a gap, where the bushing mets with the other mount.

If you place 1 or 2 washers in there, this will sovle that issue too and take up the extra room. Try to use a large diameter washer.


AGAIN, I'm sorry for this everyone. I'm a huge believer in customer serivce, and if I receive this mount and had these same problems I would want a fix ASAP.

I hope this helps everyone out! I'll be near the computer for the rest of the evening, so if anyone else has any more questions or concerns, please PM or email me.

[Ferdball]

[bioevolve]

PTP mount feels like it has alittle less vibration or I have gotten used to both of them lol.
I still have my odd deceleration vibration, but it doesn't happen all the time. Several times I tried to make it virbrate upon deceleration and by pushing the clutch in it goes away. Possible bad clutch?!?!?! Might not be because I didn't feel this vibration until I installed these mounts. I think both mounts pull the tranny up alittle higher than the stock mount. I can't confirm that yet.

[SSinstaller]

Originally Posted by bioevolve PTP mount feels like it has alittle less vibration or I have gotten used to both of them lol. I still have my odd deceleration vibration, but it doesn't happen all the time. Several times I tried to make it virbrate upon deceleration and by pushing the clutch in it goes away. Possible bad clutch?!?!?! Might not be because I didn't feel this vibration until I installed these mounts. I think both mounts pull the tranny up alittle higher than the stock mount. I can't confirm that yet.

My AWR tranny mount also added a vibration on deceleration. It's normal..

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by SSinstaller My AWR tranny mount also added a vibration on deceleration. It's normal..

It's not constant, it's two different vibrations right now. The normal vibs, then is the more strong random vibs. I can't realy explain it, you have to feel it. It didn't start until after 50 miles with the Medieval mount and is still there with the PTP mount. Axle angles have changed?!?!?!

Anyways here are some more pics of the PTP in the car, I didn't feel like taking it apart lol. Anyone know if the PTP is a 2-part bushing or a single one?

[SSinstaller]

Originally Posted by bioevolve It's not constant, it's two different vibrations right now. The normal vibs, then is the more strong random vibs. I can't realy explain it, you have to feel it. It didn't start until after 50 miles with the DSMS mount and is still there with the PTP mount. Axle angles have changed?!?!?! Anyways here are some more pics of the PTP in the car, I didn't feel like taking it apart lol. Anyone know if the PTP is a 2-part bushing or a single one?

I know exactly what your talking about...

There is a normal vibration that you get at or near idle that gradually lessens as the rpms rise(there is also some significant gear whine)..

There is also a different vibration that's much stronger than the other that will only happen under deceleration and under certain conditions. I could almost make it happen at will with the AWR mount. It seems to depend on the load that's on the motor when you get off the gas..

[bioevolve]

So it's basically a load and harmonics vibs dependent on certain conditions? So we are feeling an unbalanced form of vibs from a supposingly balanced setup lol? Well it's not balanced anymore lol.
But you are right on, I just couldn't explain it like you just did, Thanks!

[phillyb]

bio, did you need the washers for the ptp mount?

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by phillyb bio, did you need the washers for the ptp mount?

If you are refering to the 3 extra silver washers, I thought it needed. You can try it without the extra washers and see if it bottoms out, the bronze color one is supplied by PTP. Actually they supplied 3 of them, I used the other 2 on the ends of the main bushing bolt.

[phillyb]

is that the stock bolt you used?

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by phillyb is that the stock bolt you used?

Nope, it's the one PTP supplied alittle shorter than the stock bolt.
Here is the PTP bolt supplied by PTP vs stock bolt, it is shorter to take up space.


If I'm remembering correctly, stock is 17mm and PTP is 19mm head sizes.

[Betelgeuse]

Bio, do you have upgraded passenger and rear mounts as well? Also, it takes some time for the vibes to settle according to ptp so you may need to drive it a while more (they said 1500 miles in the instructions).

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by Betelgeuse Bio, do you have upgraded passenger and rear mounts as well? Also, it takes some time for the vibes to settle according to ptp so you may need to drive it a while more (they said 1500 miles in the instructions).

Yeah:
Top Speed Passenger
SU Rear Lower
Turbine Tech Front

I now all about that lol, just giving intial review of the vibs.

[killa cam]

Originally Posted by killa cam question: the stock mount has a bend in the top plate, and the battery tray mount thinger has a step down in it as well. it looks as tho these 2 manufacturers did not do a step down. does that mean your battery tray is now not level?

ahh now i see it. your battery tray is not level anymore, and that is why you had to slot the battery box holes, because it was leaning towards your intake.

[Ferdball]

Originally Posted by bioevolve Yeah: DSMS Passenger SU Rear Lower Turbine Tech Front

Did you get the Top Speed, or the Medieval passenger mount? What is a Turbine Tech Front?

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by killa cam ahh now i see it. your battery tray is not level anymore, and that is why you had to slot the battery box holes, because it was leaning towards your intake.

Bingo!

Originally Posted by Ferdball Did you get the Top Speed, or the Medieval passenger mount? What is a Turbine Tech Front?

Top Speed Passenger Mount
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...fmm-oc-sp.html
Turbine Tech Front Engine Mount: MAZDASPEED 3
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Come to think of it.
I wanna correct something:
Darkstar is a Vendor not the Manufacturer of this mount. This is not a negative shot at Darkstar.
I should have titled this Medieval & PTP Tranny Mount. I guess I saw Darkstar as a Manufacturer, Sorry man.
Corrected my wrong lol.

[killa cam]

when you look at it, is it visible? can you tell the thing is angled towards the motor? that would piss me off. i hate when things do not line up and are not symmetrical...

the TRZ has that jog bend in it, correct?

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by killa cam when you look at it, is it visible? can you tell the thing is angled towards the motor? that would piss me off. i hate when things do not line up and are not symmetrical

I didn't pay any attention to the way the battery stance looked, just looked at the ecu housing touching the inlet pipe and adjusted accordingly.

[medieval]

All Medieval motor mounts come with a life time warranty. As for these issues that are being shown here, this is due to the hardware kit not being installed. When we sent DS his shipment it was a mistake on our part. The tranny mount comes with 2 x 2" washers and a bolt. The 2" washers are meant to be placed on each side of the bushing. This will eliminate the issues you see in these pictures. We here are very sorry about this and have received all the address from DS and are sending off hardware kits. If anyone has any issues or concerns, please fell free to email us at sales@medievalllc.com

[darkstarmotorsports]

Originally Posted by medieval All Medieval motor mounts come with a life time warranty. As for these issues that are being shown here, this is due to the hardware kit not being installed. When we sent DS his shipment it was a mistake on our part. The tranny mount comes with 2 x 2" washers and a bolt. The 2" washers are meant to be placed on each side of the bushing. This will eliminate the issues you see in these pictures. We here are very sorry about this and have received all the address from DS and are sending off hardware kits. If anyone has any issues or concerns, please fell free to email us at sales@medievalllc.com

Medieval has sent me a pic of all the hardware kits that were shipped out. So that you guys will have edvidence that you are getting you correct pieces.

[bioevolve]

I see mine there lol.

[SSinstaller]

Originally Posted by bioevolve I see mine there lol.

I hope your not one of the bottom two envelopes, because I'm about to steal both their identities....

[phillyb]

Originally Posted by darkstarmotorsports Medieval has sent me a pic of all the hardware kits that were shipped out. So that you guys will have edvidence that you are getting you correct pieces.

d00d, i like you, but you can't be posting that picture man. that shit has addresses in there.

Originally Posted by SSinstaller I hope your not one of the bottom two envelopes, because I'm about to steal both their identities....

word

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by killa cam when you look at it, is it visible? can you tell the thing is angled towards the motor? that would piss me off. i hate when things do not line up and are not symmetrical... the TRZ has that jog bend in it, correct?

It bothered me as well. Problem being bending or form fitting a .250 thick piece of plate steel takes tooking that costs into the $100's of thousands of dollars. We could get them form fitted but it would have taken the mount up to $400 per unit. The offset is very minimal, if you have a case of OCD it might bother you a good amount. We are taking a look at putting one bend in it or adding some spacers to the corners to level the mount out a little better. There is just so much you can do until you start running into problems with cost. Keep us updated on the mount and we will be in here to answer any questions that we can. Thanks.

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by SSinstaller I hope your not one of the bottom two envelopes, because I'm about to steal both their identities....

HAHAHAHA, it would be hard to get anything out of my identity. But DSMS should blur them out.

[redrocketz]

Originally Posted by ptperformance It bothered me as well. Problem being bending or form fitting a .250 thick piece of plate steel takes tooking that costs into the $100's of thousands of dollars. We could get them form fitted but it would have taken the mount up to $400 per unit. The offset is very minimal, if you have a case of OCD it might bother you a good amount. We are taking a look at putting one bend in it or adding some spacers to the corners to level the mount out a little better. There is just so much you can do until you start running into problems with cost. Keep us updated on the mount and we will be in here to answer any questions that we can. Thanks.

Seriously? Hundreds of thousands of dollars? My dad does this shit all day that would take 10 seconds to do and maybe 50cents a piece over the initial costs. The trz doesn't cost $200-300 a unit.

[skeeter149]

Originally Posted by redrocketz Seriously? Hundreds of thousands of dollars? My dad does this shit all day that would take 10 seconds to do and maybe 50cents a piece over the initial costs. The trz doesn't cost $200-300 a unit.

i wouldnt know but if your right damn!

[that.dude]

bending shit is pretty cheap dude... redrocket is right, it wouldn't add much to the cost of the part to do it. while it may cost more than competitors, some will appreciate the attention to detail and perfect fit

Originally Posted by ptperformance We are taking a look at putting one bend in it or adding some spacers to the corners to level the mount out a little better.

wouldn't you start running out of thread on the nuts? it seems to me that once you add the thickness of the material and spacers, you would not have much thread to screw onto...

[SSinstaller]

Originally Posted by that.dude wouldn't you start running out of thread on the nuts? it seems to me that once you add the thickness of the material and spacers, you would not have much thread to screw onto...

Even with the spacers it shouldn't be any thicker than the stock cast mount, so there shouldn't be any issue...

[that.dude]

Originally Posted by SSinstaller Even with the spacers it shouldn't be any thicker than the stock cast mount, so there shouldn't be any issue...

the piece in question is the piece with the bushing in it. it is made out of heavy sheet metal, but not 1\4 inch stuff. i'm wondering, with the added thickness of metal and spacers, and without putting the bend in there, is there enough thread left?

[SSinstaller]

Originally Posted by that.dude the piece in question is the piece with the bushing in it. it is made out of heavy sheet metal, but not 14 inch stuff. i'm wondering, with the added thickness of metal and spacers, and without putting the bend in there, is there enough thread left?

My mistake, I thought they were talking about spacers to get the mount to sit level, not washers to hold the bushings in place.

Looking at the pictures of the darkstar mount installed there is plenty of thread on that bolt to account for those spacers...

[darkstarmotorsports]

Here you guys go.....

[bioevolve]

Hey John (PTP), I got another tranny mount from you, what you want me to do with it?
This one has better welds than the first one! HAHAHA, LMK.

[mouse0330]

Originally Posted by bioevolve Hey John (PTP), I got another tranny mount from you, what you want me to do with it? This one has better welds than the first one! HAHAHA, LMK.

Hey Rich, what's up with these guys sending you extra mount. By the way which one you like better now. I might send PTP the money for that extra tranny mount they send you and go to your place to pick it up instead of having you sending it back to PTP, thats if they agree to do that...will pay via Paypal.

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by mouse0330 Hey Rich, what's up with these guys sending you extra mount. By the way which one you like better now. I might send PTP the money for that extra tranny mount they send you and go to your place to pick it up instead of having you sending it back to PTP, thats if they agree to do that...will pay via Paypal.

I'm using the PTP one now, I sent back the Medieval one.
I don't know why I keep getting extra parts lol, I'm not complaining hahaha.
It all depends on what PTP says I guess, John chime in please.

[Munnugles]

hmm... im debating which mount to get. does anyone have any instructions on how to install this (with pics or somewhat detailed instructions). and i am extremely confused on where and why the spacers are needed. this may (hopefully) fix the shifting problem i have if due to that mount (dunno if its busted or not).

[medieval]

Dark Star is one of our dealers and stocks most of our product line. As for instructions, we are working on those for every motor mount we have and the Speed 3 ones will be done in 1-2 weeks. Pictured are much better shoots of our passenger side and transmission mount and the required hardware for each.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...tml#post140847

The transmission mount hardware went out to everyone and you will see 2 different packages (washers and then bolt).
If you do not see these for some reason, please send me an email at sales@medievalllc.com
If you can not wait you will need the following:
2x 2" washers with 1/2 holes
1x 12mm x 1.25 x 25mm bolt.
If you choose to buy your own hardware( less than $3) before ours shows up, please let me know. I will credit you $10 towards your next order of Medieval parts with Dark Star or with us directly.

[Betelgeuse]

Bioevolve, did you loosen the rear mount like stated in the instruction sheet? If you did, which bolt(s) did you loosen. Thanks!! PTP chime in if you read this. I'm doing my install tomorrow so I'll post my impressions. Hopefully everything will go smoothly.