Darkstar & PTP Tranny Mounts

[bioevolve]

Never got instruction on both mounts lol.
I did not loosen the rear mount.

[darkstarmotorsports]

Originally Posted by bioevolve Never got instruction on both mounts lol. I did not loosen the rear mount.

PM me, and I can get you some directions

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by bioevolve Never got instruction on both mounts lol. I did not loosen the rear mount.

All of our mounts come with install directions, sorry that we missed those with your kit.

We will have another mount shipping out to you ASAP for the recall. Please let me know when you can get the old mount back to me. Thanks.

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by ptperformance All of our mounts come with install directions, sorry that we missed those with your kit. We will have another mount shipping out to you ASAP for the recall. Please let me know when you can get the old mount back to me. Thanks.

I can send it out tuesday, since monday is a holiday.

[Betelgeuse]

Well I did the install today (ptp) and had a hard time with that tab/bracket shown in the pic. Apparently mine was bent downwards very slightly preventing the mount from fitting correctly over the studs. After toying with it for an hour with extreme frustration, I bent it upwards with my fingers (if you grab ahold of it with both hands it can be bent a little). After that the mount slid easily (with some prying) over the studs.

Overall impression: Impressive!!! I love it and the vibrations havent gotten any worse although I do have that slight secondary one when slowing down (getting off the gas) described above - not a big deal and probably won't last. This was a very noticeable upgrade despite the fact I had the other stiffer mounts (passenger and rear) already installed. Shifting is easier and throttle response is even better! I will definitely recommend this mod to someone who's thinking about future power mods or just want piece of mind. However ALL 3 mounts should be done, not just the tranny. So far the darkstar passenger and medieval rear have held up well and are doing their jobs - very happy here!

[Ferdball]

Originally Posted by Betelgeuse Well I did the install today (ptp) ...

Did you see this?
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...tml#post142367

[Betelgeuse]

Originally Posted by Ferdball Did you see this? http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...tml#post142367

No I didn't, thanks for pointing it out. I guess I'll have to go back to the drawing board once the new mount comes in. This is a bummer for sure.

[medieval]

Failure is not what anyone wants. It not only reflects the products inability to perform to the hype, but it also makes a conversation piece that nobody wants. We just went down this road when our first batch of transmission mounts went out the door without hardware. The good news was only a handful of people installed theirs and the issue was addressed with the needed hardware kit.
Design, theory and testing go into all of our motor mounts. Some people have asked why ours is better than brand X. All businesses believe they have the best and will come up with tricky slogans or competitive market tactics to win the sale. We, here at Medieval, test our products months in advance before we publicly talk about it. During testing we use 4 to 6 outside customers to run our products. This is done to ensure we get a diverse opinion and customer’s point of view. Simply put, what is common to one might not be common to the next and if an issue was to arise it will be found.

Lets get down to the basics on why we build our mount the way we do. The weakest point of a straight line will be the middle (or use numbers 1 thru 6 and 3 being the weakest. This is a very generic example).
So, lets do an example. We will use the numbers 1 thru 6. 1 is a contact point (transmission base plate) and 6 is the other contacting point (upper mount plate).
If you were to put a force, forward or aft the weakest point would be directly in the middle.
So, 3 would see the greatest force. Now if you were to try and bend at the number 4 it would be harder due to it being closer to the contacting point or number 6. Try and bend at 5 and you will see it getting harder. You get the picture.

Our transmission mount was designed so that the contacting bolt from the base plate was at number 7! Greater rigidity and connecting point strength.
Next, our connecting bolt runs side to side. We have done this so that the area of mass picks up the vibrations and for/aft movement. If you are to run your bolt connecting point forward and aft, several problems arise. One major issue being the bushing! The bushing is stepped. It is stepped so that it will fit into the tubing. The outer diameter would be 2” while the stepped side is 1.625. The outer lip is only .35” thick. So by placing the bolt forward and aft you put the entire forward and aft TQ or axial movement on .35” thick urethane. Over time this will FAIL because there is not enough material to support these loads and with it being stepped it will eventually push the outer lip of the bushing right off. Design, Theory and Testing!

[Munnugles]

ok so i talked to mechanic at a mazda dealership about a problem i have and he says its possible that my mount did fail. if that is the case i will be ordering one as soon as i take the car to him so he can look at it. but im not too sure which one to go with. my main concern is the ease of install... and to make sure my engine doesnt fall.

[darkstarmotorsports]

Originally Posted by Munnugles ok so i talked to mechanic at a mazda dealership about a problem i have and he says its possible that my mount did fail. if that is the case i will be ordering one as soon as i take the car to him so he can look at it. but im not too sure which one to go with. my main concern is the ease of install... and to make sure my engine doesnt fall.

The Mediveal mount is very simple to install, you can do it in your own garage if needed. I do have instructions if you need them.

[wisniaPl]

hopefully I will get one of those fixed mounts from ptp i can tell right now mine bushing failed ....i can see you get 3 of them....

[bioevolve]

Installed another Medieval Tranny Mount with all the hardware. The tranny bolt supplied is the correct length, no washers needed.



After 1500+ miles on the PTP Tranny Mount with no bushing tears. I use the SU Rear Mount, if anyone asks. No signs of bushing damage. STill gotta get the revised one.

[Ferdball]

Originally Posted by bioevolve Installed another Medieval Tranny Mount with all the hardware. The tranny bolt supplied is the correct length, no washers needed. After 1500+ miles on the PTP Tranny Mount with no bushing tears. I use the SU Rear Mount, if anyone asks. No signs of bushing damage. STill gotta get the revised one.

So, you installed a different Medieval mount 1500 miles ago? So you got the right sized bolt for the bottom bracket, but what about the bolt that goes through the bushing? Was is long enough? Did you use the two side washers around the bushings?

[bioevolve]

Yes that one was the first batch that didn't come with anything.
This one I got yesterday.
Yes, it came with the washers, short tranny bolt and the a longer bushing bolt. Everything that is was supposed to come with.

[steven88]

so the hardware kit made the difference? the mount itself didn't actually change or anything?

did installation become less pain in the ass?

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by steven88 so the hardware kit made the difference? the mount itself didn't actually change or anything? did installation become less pain in the ass?

Yes.
Nope.
Nope lol.

[Ferdball]

Originally Posted by darkstarmotorsports The Mediveal mount is very simple to install, you can do it in your own garage if needed. I do have instructions if you need them.

Originally Posted by bioevolve Yes that one was the first batch that didn't come with anything. This one I got yesterday. Yes, it came with the washers, short tranny bolt and the a longer bushing bolt. Everything that is was supposed to come with.

Did this come in the package that Darkstar sent? The only things I got in my package was the two bushing washers, and an extra unneeded washer. I asked him if I should be expecting an extra bolt, and he PM's back asking what size I need.

So, he gave you this bolt, but doesn't know what I'm talking about?

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by Ferdball Did this come in the package that Darkstar sent? The only things I got in my package was the two bushing washers, and an extra unneeded washer. I asked him if I should be expecting an extra bolt, and he PM's back asking what size I need. So, he gave you this bolt, but doesn't know what I'm talking about?

This came straight from Medieval not Darkstar, I'm guessing that Darkstar didn't know about that for the second batch.

I got a whole new mount w/ kit (latest batch). I returned the first one to Darkstar 3 weeks ago and ordered a whole new one last week.

[darkstarmotorsports]

Originally Posted by Ferdball Did this come in the package that Darkstar sent? The only things I got in my package was the two bushing washers, and an extra unneeded washer. I asked him if I should be expecting an extra bolt, and he PM's back asking what size I need. So, he gave you this bolt, but doesn't know what I'm talking about?

Ferdball,

Have you installed you mount yet? If not could you send it back an I will sent you a up to date kit like Bioevole.

[medieval]

There is not need to send the mount back. It is a hardware kit that he needs. He contacted me and a hardware kit is shipping tomorrow. There is no difference in the tranny mounts from first batch to second and so on. They are all the same. The first batch went out without hardware by mistake. Those issues have been addressed and a thing of the past.

[Ferdball]

Originally Posted by darkstarmotorsports Ferdball, Have you installed you mount yet? If not could you send it back an I will sent you a up to date kit like Bioevole.

Are you serious? Of course I installed it. Haven't you been reading?

Originally Posted by medieval There is not need to send the mount back. It is a hardware kit that he needs. He contacted me and a hardware kit is shipping tomorrow. There is no difference in the tranny mounts from first batch to second and so on. They are all the same. The first batch went out without hardware by mistake. Those issues have been addressed and a thing of the past.

Thanks for clearing this up Medieval. Finally! I'm sorry to say but dealing with Darkstar is infuriating.

[steven88]

LOL @ dark star

[medieval]

Originally Posted by Ferdball Are you serious? Of course I installed it. Haven't you been reading? Thanks for clearing this up Medieval. Finally! I'm sorry to say but dealing with Darkstar is infuriating.

Myke is doing his best with a new product line. I feel it is our fault and take responsibility for this issue

[darkstarmotorsports]

Originally Posted by Ferdball Are you serious? Of course I installed it. Haven't you been reading? Thanks for clearing this up Medieval. Finally! I'm sorry to say but dealing with Darkstar is infuriating.

I sorry Ferdball. I miss read your stituation, and assumed you haven't installed the mount yet.

Originally Posted by medieval Myke is doing his best with a new product line. I feel it is our fault and take responsibility for this issue

Thank You for helping us get this all cleared up. The customers are our priority, and want to make sure everyone of them are happy.

[Ferdball]

I have been driving with an incorrect installation of a significant part of my car for over a month now. I don't have the correct bolts, I have an unneeded washer, and I don't have the detailed instructions that I've asked for. We are getting conflicting information too, so the details of correct installation are muddy. Its just a shame that it took you this long to step in. Sorry for the rant, just airing my frustrations.

[Betelgeuse]

Originally Posted by Ferdball I have been driving with an incorrect installation of a significant part of my car for over a month now.

Not really my business but I couldn't help but wonder why you would knowingly run an incomplete kit in your car for such a long period of time. I mean, don't get me wrong, I can understand some of your frustration, but if that mount broke, you'd be mostly to blame.

[steven88]

I just received my mounts earlier today...here is what they look like out of the package...real nice and shiny

Problem is, the transmission mount bolt that holds the bushing and the mount together....look at the second picture and see how short it is...granted its not tighten ALL the way...but even at full lock, I'm still going to be only 1 or 2 threads showing on the bolt itself....is this suppose to be right?

[Ferdball]

Originally Posted by Betelgeuse Not really my business but I couldn't help but wonder why you would knowingly run an incomplete kit in your car for such a long period of time. I mean, don't get me wrong, I can understand some of your frustration, but if that mount broke, you'd be mostly to blame.

I agree, but I don't think its any more dangerous than running the stock mount. Worst case scenario is I rip the bushing. The bolt should hold, at least long enough to limp home and get the stock one on.

But I don't want to have to go in there two more times. Just one more time would be okay. I just need a definitive answer on the washers, the correct main bolt and the correct instructions.

[Ferdball]

Originally Posted by steven88 ...Problem is, the transmission mount bolt that holds the bushing and the mount together....look at the second picture and see how short it is...granted its not tighten ALL the way...but even at full lock, I'm still going to be only 1 or 2 threads showing on the bolt itself....is this suppose to be right?

Here's mine. I don't have the two washers or the nut on there yet, but look how little thread is left. BTW, how hard was it to get the parts together with the washers in place? Seems to me that they'd slip out, since its tight in there already.

[steven88]

yours looks like a tight fit...similar to mine...except mine has washers in the middle

[medieval]

Ferdball,

The nut will fit right on the bolt. You do not have to have threads sticking out the otherside of the nut. The nut will sit fluch with the threads. The washers are the 2 thin ones that you have seen in the pictures. They go right between the mount tab and the bushing.

[darkstarmotorsports]

Originally Posted by Ferdball I agree, but I don't think its any more dangerous than running the stock mount. Worst case scenario is I rip the bushing. The bolt should hold, at least long enough to limp home and get the stock one on. But I don't want to have to go in there two more times. Just one more time would be okay. I just need a definitive answer on the washers, the correct main bolt and the correct instructions.

Ferdball,

The washers fit into the mount just like this. You already have the hard part done. Just pull the bolt out, slide the washers in, and then replace the bolt.

[steven88]

Originally Posted by darkstarmotorsports Ferdball, The washers fit into the mount just like this. You already have the hard part done. Just pull the bolt out, slide the washers in, and then replace the bolt.

this picture looks like theres two washers on the right side and one washer on the left side...you can obviously see its thicker than the other...care to shed some light on this?

[medieval]

Someone added the extra washer. The kit might have accidentally gotten an extra and it was added in. You do not need it. Add one washer to each side of the bushing that is provided in the kit and you are done.

[steven88]

I hope so...

i just would hate it to see the bushing and the mount with gaps even after tightening it all the way down...but i'm going to trust you that 1 washer per side will fill the gaps enough

[bioevolve]

200 miles on the Medieval Tranny Mount so far, everything is great. I will check it after I get ready to install the Cobb Turbo Inlet next week. By then I should have about 1000+ miles on it.

[Speedn3]

Originally Posted by steven88 I hope so... i just would hate it to see the bushing and the mount with gaps even after tightening it all the way down...but i'm going to trust you that 1 washer per side will fill the gaps enough

Some of these look like a tight fit. While others may have room for 2 or three washers. I would use the 2 and if there is space for a third I would install it.
I used a thin film of M1 bearing grease on my bushings.

[albone]

I really want to get a tranny mount but not sure I want the vibration and added noise. I had a SRT4 with aftermarket MM and it almost drove me crazy but I liked the end results. I currently have the StreetUnit lower mount. Should I just stay away from these or other options? I really like both designs over others on the market. Sounds like I just want someone to make up my mind for me. HEHE
I want to decide soon since I'm about to install a Cobb Inlet pipe and that would be perfect timing.

Thanks

[darkstarmotorsports]

Originally Posted by albone I really want to get a tranny mount but not sure I want the vibration and added noise. I had a SRT4 with aftermarket MM and it almost drove me crazy but I liked the end results. I currently have the StreetUnit lower mount. Should I just stay away from these or other options? I really like both designs over others on the market. Sounds like I just want someone to make up my mind for me. HEHE I want to decide soon since I'm about to install a Cobb Inlet pipe and that would be perfect timing. Thanks

Just go for it!!! The noise goes away after the mount has broken in. And now I have the tranny mounts wth all the correct hardware, so the install won't be a head ache.

[Ferdball]

If you haven't done the fuel pump upgrade, its a good time to do that too.