Difference between JBR and SURE TIG

[JohnMS3]

this turned from jbr/sure tig material comparison to a fanboy all out war.

main difference between the two:

jbr tig
-only comes in one thickness but stackable
-comes with vaccum caps and barbed coupler for coolant bypass

sure tig
-two choices of thickness

both will perform equally and material is the same...made from virgins

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by Geo13 @rfinkle2......I'd like you more if you sent out the TB TIG LoL.

I just found it last week. It will go out this week. LOL

Originally Posted by Ckmazdaspeed3 A phone and a car part are totally different. Yes, you are right, I do want my phone to come in a pretty box. But a car part? Fuck no. I want a brown box that looks industrial... I guess that JBRs usps boxes work too. As gay as it sounds, a pretty box brings a feminine approach to a masculine hobby... that is my opinion and I'm going to share it every chance I get because I think nice boxes for car parts is just stupid. You don't and I'm sure that I am not going to change your opinion. Other than the names, boxes and price points, I don't think I said anything bad. In fact, I don't think (I could be wrong) that I have ever commented on the quality of your products one way or the other... oh, I made fun of the worm clamps once.

LOL. I am about to order the "stealth clamps" for the bpv hoses and maf to filter today.

Different strokes I guess.

[Monotonous ONE]

@josurr

hows them tigs holding up?


they performed quite well for me. they make a remarkable difference in bats


upgraded tmic + tigs > fmic

fmic + tigs = sex

fmic + tigs + meth = climax

[Ckmazdaspeed3]

Finkle WTF are you doing on here at 4:47? Anyway, my clamps are holding well at my 26psi boost spike (which I need to tune out) and heave been on for 30000 milesish. But I was only mentioning my unfair bashing of them because I wanted my statement to be accurate. I wasn't really trying to protract the debate.

And mono, tigs do that much? My jbr gasket has been sitting on top of my work bench forever... maybe after cbe install today, I should throw it on.

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by Ckmazdaspeed3 Finkle WTF are you doing on here at 4:47? Anyway, my clamps are holding well at my 26psi boost spike (which I need to tune out) and heave been on for 30000 milesish. But I was only mentioning my unfair bashing of them because I wanted my statement to be accurate. I wasn't really trying to protract the debate. And mono, tigs do that much? My jbr gasket has been sitting on top of my work bench forever... maybe after cbe install today, I should throw it on.

Narcoleptics have, well, different sleep habits.

My clamps are fine too, but the stealth clamps are pretty.

[josurr]

Originally Posted by Monotonous ONE @josurr hows them tigs holding up?

haven't installed them yet... lol...

waiting to find some free time to do so...

[KusteLokal]

Seriously another thread about JBR to SURE. i have products from both companies on my car. Both companies make great products at about the same price. Its really your decision as to which one you want.

[chuckms6]

Originally Posted by jbarone The JBR gaskets haven't cracked any intake manifolds.

thats a pretty backhanded and unfound statement for a vendor to make about a product of this nature, just saying

[chuckms6]

Originally Posted by jbarone Backhanded yes, unfounded no. And maybe next time SURE will provide it's customers with installation instructions for such a complex installation instead of spending time designing ridiculous packaging for their products in an attempt to fool the buyer in to thinking they're getting something better than they can get anywhere else.

my package didnt come with instructions per se, but it did have notes stating to use the washer on the lower bolt hole and torque evenly to 19-25 ft-lbs to prevent cracking. and its not that complex of an install if you know what your doing (belt, ps pump, 7 bolts, egr, pcv). and to be fair anyone willing to take on doing modifications of their car should know what the benefits and risks are and plan or educate themselves accordingly.

and the packaging argument is weak. no one including SURE/Streetunit ever advertises their packaging. its just an extra upon arrival of the product, i see it as a thank you for purchase and a guarantee of quality. the only way perspective customers find out is by word-of-mouth or posts and pictures on here, which i suppose is the best advertisment anyway

[chuckms6]

hey, whatever you say man youre the expert. i just think as a vendor it shows your insecurity in your own product to bash another vendors product based on something as trivial as packaging. if you make a sound product it speaks for itself through places like this.

[Stealth01]

Originally Posted by jbarone Backhanded yes, unfounded no. And maybe next time SURE will provide it's customers with installation instructions for such a complex installation instead of spending time designing ridiculous packaging for their products in an attempt to fool the buyer in to thinking they're getting something better than they can get anywhere else.

More class from JBR. [/sarcasm] Hey, should we talk about replacing MS6 shifter cables, Jamie? Or would you prefer that one says under the carpet.

Maybe you should stick to copying products like the TIG. Then all you have to do is write instructions.

Originally Posted by jbarone Well 19-25 pounds is ~10lbs too much and for most this is a very complex installation hence why so many got cracked. Over the top packaging is gay, only increases costs and adds nothing from a performance perspective. Anyone who says the cost of that packaging is not factored in is lying or knows nothing about business. Every expense is reflected in the bottom line...basic economics.

Mark has stated repeatedly that the packaging is inexpensive and does NOT increase costs. Are you calling him a liar?

THis is how you KNOW SURE is impacting Jamie's sales. He's resorting to lame attacks.

Immature punk-ass tactic. Reflects poorly on JBR.

[Stealth01]

Originally Posted by jbarone Maybe if you spent less time on here focusing on what I say and do, you'd still be married yes?

Thanks for proving my point. You've sunk to a fantastic new LOW in classlessness. Congrats.

Originally Posted by jbarone What would you expect Mark to say? You think that packaging comes cheap, my ass. Yes he's lying.

LOL, wow. Never expected to see one vendor attack another so openly without a SHRED of proof. Defamation, anyone?

@StreetUnitMark -- I guess you're a liar now.

Originally Posted by jbarone As far as impacting sales I think not, I've sold more set of TIGs this weekend as a direct result of this thread. Shift kits and motor mounts are flying of the shelves and so is everything else.

That's good, so why do you feel SO compelled to attack another vendor who, frankly, has never, ever said anything negative about you, your company, or your products?

You're unprofessional and act more like a punk kid than a vendor I'd ever buy something from. And that's too bad, since you do make good products.

Originally Posted by jbarone Seems to only reflect poorly on JBR to only you son.

LOL really because there's one other person in this thread alone who thinks your behavior reflects poorly.

Man up, Jamie. Provide PROOF that Mark, Street Unit, or SURE make their products more expensive through packaging. Otherwise, you're just blowing smoke.

[Stealth01]

Originally Posted by jbarone Whatever man. And is SURE a vendor here? No.

LOL Lame. You know they're the same guys as StreetUnit.

Have a great night, Jamie, and congrats in the sales-that-aren't-important.

[socks]

JBR,

I hope you realize that as a vendor, you do not have the same rights of bashing other vendors as regular users here. You have agreed to a completely seperate TOS, that you are violating by bashing another vendor.

-a mod

[superskaterxes]

IBTL

[Darksun280]

jbarone You lost your mind? You can't come in here knocking other paying vendors who sell the same products as you. Don't come back in this thread.