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ABolewski 06-03-2013 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by himurax13 (Post 2094214)
12 hours if you have no suspension to remove and if lots of fail is involved, haha. Just have someone buy oil filters and oil while you are gone every few months. Its doable but arrangements need to be made before bringing it in.;-)

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Hmmm, that actually might work. While it's parked, just buy oil/filter every two/three months. And would it matter if I'm on coils? I have stock springs and front struts but I don't have rear shocks. What about motor mounts? I feel like no matter what I do, they'll find something to void the warranty.

himurax13 06-03-2013 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ABolewski (Post 2094431)
Hmmm, that actually might work. While it's parked, just buy oil/filter every two/three months. And would it matter if I'm on coils? I have stock springs and front struts but I don't have rear shocks. What about motor mounts? I feel like no matter what I do, they'll find something to void the warranty.

The last time I stocked someone out, we took off his coils because he was selling. I really hate doing suspension work. I highly doubt they can deny you for having suspension work. I am sure you can find a stock intake mani on the for sale threads.

The mounts have to be swapped. The only thing that can stay is the fuel pump internals.

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silvapain 06-03-2013 10:02 AM

I'd pull the internals anyways. They may replace the pump for some unknown reason, and then you're out $300+. It only takes 15 minutes to swap internals.

Micha 06-03-2013 10:24 AM

I have a stock fuel pump you can use and I know someone that might buy your intake mani from you and give you his stock one.

@Spoc;

ABolewski 06-03-2013 10:24 AM

I'd definitely throw stock internals in there, exactly why silvapain said.

Also, this isn't the thread for this, I'll PM you @himurax13;
This might work out better then I thought.

EDIT: @Micha; I'll sext you. Swapping mani's would work perfect, I'd give him my JBR gasket too and use his stock one. I have my on internals still.

himurax13 06-03-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ABolewski (Post 2094773)
I'd definitely throw stock internals in there, exactly why silvapain said.

Also, this isn't the thread for this, I'll PM you @himurax13;
This might work out better then I thought.

EDIT: @Micha; I'll sext you. Swapping mani's would work perfect, I'd give him my JBR gasket too and use his stock one. I have my on internals still.

All you have to do is get the Stock Catback from @lilred; and you are set. :)

DTKII 06-03-2013 05:50 PM

Let me know what you guys think please. I started to smoke about 2 weeks ago since then I've added a JBR OCC with VTA kit (still waiting on Check Valve), a BNOON Bolt, and Rotella 5w-40. The other mods are in my Sig. So after these modifications I'm still smoking so i decided to do a compression test.

08 MS3 60,500 miles 862ft ASL
#1 191
#2 172
#3 171
#4 171

I think if it was 170's across the board I would be ok with these results but with cylinder 1 being so much higher I don't know what to think? I'm hoping the check valve will help maybe my PCV valve is junk which is causing me to smoke. If not then I hope its just the turbo. Do you guys think it might be something else with the compression results above? Thanks for any advice!

theurgy 06-03-2013 05:51 PM

How warm was your engine when you did the test and did you crank until the needle stopped?

DTKII 06-03-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by theurgy (Post 2095738)
How warm was your engine when you did the test and did you crank until the needle stopped?

Engine was up to Temp, I cranked it until i heard about 4 pumps of air.

Tokay444 06-03-2013 05:58 PM

That's your problem.
Crank till gauge doesn't move.

DTKII 06-03-2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 2095752)
That's your problem.
Crank till gauge doesn't move.

Shit just got it all back together Thank you i will update after i test it again.

DTKII 06-03-2013 06:28 PM

Okay, after re testing the compression it is higher but there is still a 20psi difference in cylinder1 and the rest of them. Other info a couple posts above. Thanks.

#1 192
#2 172
#3 171
#4 171

Thanks for the tip, now what are your thoughts?

himurax13 06-03-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DTKII (Post 2095809)
Okay, after re testing the compression it is higher but there is still a 20psi difference in cylinder1 and the rest of them. Other info a couple posts above. Thanks.

#1 192
#2 172
#3 171
#4 171

Thanks for the tiip, now what are thoughts?

The prognosis is not good. It is a 10% difference. A little more and I would be getting ready to take some action.

timjs 06-03-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DTKII (Post 2095809)
Okay, after re testing the compression it is higher but there is still a 20psi difference in cylinder1 and the rest of them. Other info a couple posts above. Thanks.

#1 192
#2 172
#3 171
#4 171

Thanks for the tip, now what are your thoughts?

How does the car behave, aside from smoking turbo syndrome?
You're technically still in specs. I wouldn't worry too much if the engine is running fine.
Sorry if I missed some information somewhere.

DTKII 06-03-2013 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by timjs (Post 2096099)
How does the car behave, aside from smoking turbo syndrome?
You're technically still in specs. I wouldn't worry too much if the engine is running fine.
Sorry if I missed some information somewhere.

The car runs fine other than the smoking, I figured I would run a compression test to make sure the rings were ok. It seems to have good compression just a big variance from 1 and the rest of cylinders. I hope your right bc a turbo is much easier to replace than internals. Thanks

theurgy 06-04-2013 12:30 AM

Leak down test should be your next step.

duappleganger 06-04-2013 10:06 AM

Well i just did my first compression test. Car is a 2011 genpu with 57,000 miles. Basically fully bolted around 20,000 and BT at ~52,000. Results are as follows.

(Passenger Side)
Cylinder 1: 174
Cylinder 2: 183
Cylinder 3: 184
Cylinder 4: 184
(Driver Side)

I was going to test cylinder one again to confirm the slightly lower reading but after the engine cranked a few times I blew the hose on the tester kit apart. It was a rented autozone kit though so w/e. Do you guys think I have anything to worry about at the moment?

Tyhackman15 06-04-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by duappleganger (Post 2096913)
Well i just did my first compression test. Car is a 2011 genpu with 57,000 miles. Basically fully bolted around 20,000 and BT at ~52,000. Results are as follows.

(Passenger Side)
Cylinder 1: 174
Cylinder 2: 183
Cylinder 3: 184
Cylinder 4: 184
(Driver Side)

I was going to test cylinder one again to confirm the slightly lower reading but after the engine cranked a few times I blew the hose on the tester kit apart. It was a rented autozone kit though so w/e. Do you guys think I have anything to worry about at the moment?

5% difference, and the gauge is probably only accurate +/- like 3-5% so I wouldn't worry about it IMO

duappleganger 06-04-2013 10:35 AM

Nonetheless, I am pretty excited that cylinder 3 isn't being a little bitch.

atvfreek 06-04-2013 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by duappleganger (Post 2096991)
Nonetheless, I am pretty excited that cylinder 3 isn't being a little bitch.

Those results look great!

aviator79 06-08-2013 10:03 PM

did my MS6 and CX7 last night while changing oil in both.
My car has 40k and got 190s on all cylinders
CX-7 has 70k and got
1:180psi
2:180psi
3:150psi
4:180psi

Weird that oil level was perfect in CX-7 but I was down a couple of quarts in mine a week or so ago. I started a job that is a 100mi/day commute so I figured it would be a good time to make sure my car was up to the job.

GUess I need to sell the cx7

himurax13 06-08-2013 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by aviator79 (Post 2104653)
did my MS6 and CX7 last night while changing oil in both.
My car has 40k and got 190s on all cylinders
CX-7 has 70k and got
1:180psi
2:180psi
3:150psi
4:180psi

Weird that oil level was perfect in CX-7 but I was down a couple of quarts in mine a week or so ago. I started a job that is a 100mi/day commute so I figured it would be a good time to make sure my car was up to the job.

GUess I need to sell the cx7

How many miles? Warranty? Was engine hot? Did you do a wet test?

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theurgy 06-09-2013 12:08 AM

TL: DR Which relay do I pull to do the compression test?
Injector or Fuel Pump?

himurax13 06-09-2013 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by theurgy (Post 2104721)
TL: DR Which relay do I pull to do the compression test?
Injector or Fuel Pump?

I don't pull anything. I just keep the clutch and gas floored while cranking.

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Tokay444 06-09-2013 05:36 AM

^that

atvfreek 06-09-2013 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theurgy (Post 2104721)
TL: DR Which relay do I pull to do the compression test?
Injector or Fuel Pump?

As these guys just stated. I just mash my gas pedal to the floor. That shuts the injectors off, as its a factory "clear flood" mode

theurgy 06-09-2013 07:24 AM

Sounds good, I jest remember the last time I did a compression test I had pulled a relay of sorts.
Isn't this similar to the procedure to pressurize the fuel rail?

himurax13 06-09-2013 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by theurgy (Post 2104857)
Sounds good, I jest remember the last time I did a compression test I had pulled a relay of sorts.
Isn't this similar to the procedure to pressurize the fuel rail?

Yes. I also don't pull fuses for fuel internal installs either.

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theurgy 06-09-2013 07:53 AM

Well my results should be posted later today.

theurgy 06-09-2013 03:48 PM

Results:
1-4 (left to right)

1: 165
2: 170
3: 160
4: 165

aviator79 06-09-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by himurax13 (Post 2104675)
How many miles? Warranty? Was engine hot? Did you do a wet test?

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As I stated CX7 has 70k so it is out of Mazda warranty. I have a 100k warranty we bought with it when I got it from carmax but doubt they will do anything for me.
Engine was warm, but it is clear cyl 3 is fucked. Wet test as in with fuel on? no pulled INJ relay. Or wet as in spray oil in and see if numbers go up to determine if rings bad? I guess I can do that. I just cleaned intake valves at 60k so I doubt there is a problem with them sealing but who know. Could do a leakdown test but not sure what this will tell me also. Car gets 14mpgs so have been wanting to get something new but owe 11k so its not like I could sell it and buy a new car with the profits. Wife wants a minivan but they dont get great mileage either. But either way I think we should get rid of the CX7 soon...

himurax13 06-09-2013 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aviator79 (Post 2105340)
As I stated CX7 has 70k so it is out of Mazda warranty. I have a 100k warranty we bought with it when I got it from carmax but doubt they will do anything for me.
Engine was warm, but it is clear cyl 3 is fucked. Wet test as in with fuel on? no pulled INJ relay. Or wet as in spray oil in and see if numbers go up to determine if rings bad? I guess I can do that. I just cleaned intake valves at 60k so I doubt there is a problem with them sealing but who know. Could do a leakdown test but not sure what this will tell me also. Car gets 14mpgs so have been wanting to get something new but owe 11k so its not like I could sell it and buy a new car with the profits. Wife wants a minivan but they dont get great mileage either. But either way I think we should get rid of the CX7 soon...

Sounds like a plan.

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Tokay444 06-10-2013 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aviator79 (Post 2105340)
As I stated CX7 has 70k so it is out of Mazda warranty. I have a 100k warranty we bought with it when I got it from carmax but doubt they will do anything for me.
Engine was warm, but it is clear cyl 3 is fucked. Wet test as in with fuel on? no pulled INJ relay. Or wet as in spray oil in and see if numbers go up to determine if rings bad? I guess I can do that. I just cleaned intake valves at 60k so I doubt there is a problem with them sealing but who know. Could do a leakdown test but not sure what this will tell me also. Car gets 14mpgs so have been wanting to get something new but owe 11k so its not like I could sell it and buy a new car with the profits. Wife wants a minivan but they dont get great mileage either. But either way I think we should get rid of the CX7 soon...

cleaning the backs/stems of the valves won't do much for the seats.

aviator79 06-10-2013 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 2105996)
cleaning the backs/stems of the valves won't do much for the seats.

So your saying there could just be a piece of gunk on the seat causing it not to seal? I guess adding oil and retesting compression and doing a leakdown will tell me what it is better?

When I cleaned my intake valves on another engine I could not get one of the valves to seal as the B12 would always drain out overnight. However it obviously did get clean after I ran it as it now has 180psi... so it is def possible that its just gunk.

sidekick 06-11-2013 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aviator79 (Post 2107154)
So your saying there could just be a piece of gunk on the seat causing it not to seal? I guess adding oil and retesting compression and doing a leakdown will tell me what it is better?

When I cleaned my intake valves on another engine I could not get one of the valves to seal as the B12 would always drain out overnight. However it obviously did get clean after I ran it as it now has 180psi... so it is def possible that its just gunk.

It could be, but keep in mind that valves rotate during normal operation and that helps keep the seat clear of debris like that. It is always possible though.

DTKII 06-12-2013 08:42 AM

Alright I did a leak down test and pushed oil out of the dipstick while testing cylinder 2 so it looks like I'm gonna have to build the motor?

himurax13 06-12-2013 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DTKII (Post 2109693)
Alright I did a leak down test and pushed oil out of the dipstick on cylinder 2 so it looks like I'm gonna have to build the motor?

Huh?

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DTKII 06-12-2013 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by himurax13 (Post 2109733)
Huh?

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While performing a leak down test on cylinder 2 oil started coming out of the dip stick tube. I'm pretty sure it did that bc I put my finger over the valve cover vent so the air had no where else to go so it pushed oil out.

Here is my post from a couple of days ago.....

Okay, after re testing the compression it is higher but there is still a 20psi difference in cylinder1 and the rest of them. Other info a couple posts above. Thanks.

#1 192
#2 172
#3 171
#4 171

Thanks for the tip, now what are your thoughts?

btstarcher 06-12-2013 09:25 AM

Soooooooo dipstick was removed from tube?

DTKII 06-12-2013 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btstarcher (Post 2109777)
Soooooooo dipstick was removed from tube?

Yes to see if I could hear air coming out of it while doing a leak down test.


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