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Black Metal 08-19-2013 05:26 PM

Threw P0302 CEL which is cylinder 2 misfire. Pulled and replaced plugs, swapped coil packs and did a compression test. Got the following

125
80
155
155

I'm looking for a used block to build :boggled: I knew it was coming just thought it would take a little longer.

btstarcher 08-19-2013 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicArkie (Post 2219289)
I'd be interested in an explanation for that....

Unless ya'll cranked it longer/harder.

He told me that he didn't know why it was higher....but that the procedure clearly states to pull the relay and let it die before performing the test. Makes no sense to me either. I don't understand how it would be higher, but he said it was.

CosmicArkie 08-20-2013 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Metal (Post 2219329)
Threw P0302 CEL which is cylinder 2 misfire. Pulled and replaced plugs, swapped coil packs and did a compression test. Got the following

125
80
155
155

I'm looking for a used block to build :boggled: I knew it was coming just thought it would take a little longer.


Just doesn't seem right to hit the "like" or "thank" button. Kinda that awkward situation. We feels for ya, butt, ya gotta pay when you wanna play. :knockedout:

MPS_Fan 08-20-2013 04:10 AM

I would say its better to have low compression than a hole in the block and messed up head :) much less $$$ needed for rebuild

btstarcher 08-20-2013 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicArkie (Post 2219289)
I'd be interested in an explanation for that....

Unless ya'll cranked it longer/harder.

I plan on trying to reproduce his results when I get a chance. I also can't see what the purpose is, or how it would produce higher compression. The only thing I can think of is that it prevents fuel from entering the combustion chamber, but so does putting the pedal to the floor.

qtrmile beast 08-20-2013 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Metal (Post 2219329)
Threw P0302 CEL which is cylinder 2 misfire. Pulled and replaced plugs, swapped coil packs and did a compression test. Got the following

125
80
155
155

I'm looking for a used block to build :boggled: I knew it was coming just thought it would take a little longer.

Do a leak test because you also COULD have a leaking injector seal that causes compression lose... If you hear air coming from under the intake then that might be your issue and not a blown motor...

Tokay444 08-20-2013 10:08 AM

take it from me guys. ALWAYS pair a leak down test withy our compression tests. that way you know you're seeing the big picture.

Mandinca 08-20-2013 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 2220353)
take it from me guys. ALWAYS pair a leak down test withy our compression tests. that way you know you're seeing the big picture.

We tried to on my MS6 this weekend but for some reason we couldn't get it working. I'm planning on trying again with another tester.

MSMS3 08-20-2013 10:25 AM

"We don't pull no stinking relays." Just hold the go pedal all the way down to the floor and it cuts off fuel flow to the cylinders.

Dizzy Turbo 08-20-2013 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSMS3 (Post 2220388)
"We don't pull no stinking relays."

What's the name of that movie? Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!
Edit: blazing saddles haha love it

qtrmile beast 08-20-2013 10:47 AM


Black Metal 08-20-2013 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast (Post 2220317)
Do a leak test because you also COULD have a leaking injector seal that causes compression lose... If you hear air coming from under the intake then that might be your issue and not a blown motor...

A little more back story. The car idles fine, fresh oil (rotella) smells like fuel after less than 200 miles, No smoke unless I load the engine up. I am going to buy a leak down tester tomorrow. I was thinking maybe my head gasket cracked between the 1 & 2 Cylinders?

Pseudonym 09-17-2013 05:04 PM

just got mine back from the shop with these results...

170
165
150
177

opinions? im looking to tune the car asap but want things running as well as i can get it before.

himurax13 09-17-2013 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pseudonym (Post 2259141)
just got mine back from the shop with these results...

170
165
150
177

opinions? im looking to tune the car asap but want things running as well as i can get it before.

I would do another test with the engine hot and do a wet test to see if that 150 goes back up, especially if it is #3 . 27 PSI difference is more than 10% and is cause for concern.

Pseudonym 09-17-2013 11:11 PM

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

himurax13 09-17-2013 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pseudonym (Post 2259599)
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

I highly reccomend a proper leakdown test as well.

Sent via blown passenger side speakers.

xtasy 09-17-2013 11:43 PM

Compression test last year was 180 on all 4 cylinders. Did anyone 2 days ago and got
180,180,150,180.

Add a teaspoon of oil in cylinder 3 and it popped back up to 180.
That's pretty much a sign of cylinder ring right? I'm guessing theres no way it's the injector seal =\

himurax13 09-18-2013 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtasy (Post 2259616)
Compression test last year was 180 on all 4 cylinders. Did anyone 2 days ago and got
180,180,150,180.

Add a teaspoon of oil in cylinder 3 and it popped back up to 180.
That's pretty much a sign of cylinder ring right? I'm guessing theres no way it's the injector seal =\

That does appear to be a fried ring or cracked ringland.

Sent via blown passenger side speakers.

Tokay444 09-18-2013 04:27 AM

Stop doing comp tests without leak downs!

JTMS3 09-18-2013 09:32 AM

Since we did one on my PU this weekend as it has burned a qt of 5w 30 in 2500 miles I figured I throw up our findings. Compression test was done with two different testers for accuracy and right after driving 100+ miles to @silvapain;s house so plenty warm.

First test:
Cyl 1= 192
Cyl 2= 192
Cyl 3= 195
Cyl 4= 195

Second test: (within 5 mins of first test)
Cyl 1= 190
Cyl 2= 186
Cyl 3= 190
Cyl 4= 190

So my concerns went down somewhat but when i went to put the hotpipe (fmic) back oil residue was present with the finger test but not visible at first glance. Poor ko4.... Also after spending some time yesterday looking at shit underneath I found a small amount of buildup at the crankcase but nothing on the undertray. RMS leaking was the diagnoses from my fellow Nator IL gearheads.

Figured data is data, whether good or bad but internals seem healthy with just under 47K of miles put on them.

Sent using stupid fucking Swype!

Lex 09-18-2013 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtasy (Post 2259616)
Compression test last year was 180 on all 4 cylinders. Did anyone 2 days ago and got
180,180,150,180.

Add a teaspoon of oil in cylinder 3 and it popped back up to 180.
That's pretty much a sign of cylinder ring right? I'm guessing theres no way it's the injector seal =\

Do you have oil in your intake from the valve cover vent tube?

Pseudonym 09-18-2013 10:44 AM

id originally took the car in to get a leak down test but they didnt do it saying it was pointless since i had a compression test done. fuuuuuuuuuu

also, the car was running very lean according to the mechanic after inspecting the spark plug. they found that the gasket around the bpv was fucked and replaced it. could any of this help in me getting that 150 in cyl 3?

shopety2012 09-18-2013 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pseudonym (Post 2260145)
id originally took the car in to get a leak down test but they didnt do it saying it was pointless since i had a compression test done. fuuuuuuuuuu

also, the car was running very lean according to the mechanic after inspecting the spark plug. they found that the gasket around the bpv was fucked and replaced it. could any of this help in me getting that 150 in cyl 3?

Who is "they"?

Pseudonym 09-19-2013 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shopety2012 (Post 2260154)
Who is "they"?

the shop i took it to to have the tests done.

shopety2012 09-19-2013 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pseudonym (Post 2261721)
the shop i took it to to have the tests done.

like your average mechanic? or a performance shop? or like service department of a dealer?

Pseudonym 09-19-2013 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shopety2012 (Post 2261743)
like your average mechanic? or a performance shop? or like service department of a dealer?

efi logics. performance shop that caters to subarus mostly.

Tokay444 09-19-2013 11:59 AM

So in others words they've never done a compression test before, since those subby guys never take their plugs out.

[R]usty 09-25-2013 11:42 AM

Did my first compression test with a brand new craftsman compression tester (old one doesn't seal). I beat the shit out of this car and I currently have 42000 hard earned miles. I've been wanting to do one for a while now but I've been busy.

Car was not 100% warm so I'm expecting slightly higher numbers on a warmer car.
Dry only
1 - 175
2 - 174
3 - 175
4 - 172

Very happy with the results. Car runs perfect so I expected no less. Also checked the plugs (they have 10K on them) and they're very clean and gap is spot on.

I gotta say this MZR engine is holding up damn well.

Mazdazilla6 09-26-2013 02:57 PM

Got out of class and did a compression test after going to get gas and back to my dorm. Pretty satisfied with my numbers at 15k running Pennzoil Ultra 5w-30.

1= 180
2= 175
3= 179
4= 180

Little John 09-26-2013 03:13 PM

Just did a test on my motor after finishing my break in.(1000) miles!

It wasnt very warm.
1=180
2=180
3=180
4=180

Will do another test when i have the motor warm

Tokay444 09-27-2013 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazdazilla6 (Post 2272135)
Got out of class and did a compression test after going to get gas and back to my dorm. Pretty satisfied with my numbers at 15k running Pennzoil Ultra 5w-30.

1= 180
2= 175
3= 179
4= 180

What did the leak down say?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little John (Post 2272150)
Just did a test on my motor after finishing my break in.(1000) miles!

It wasnt very warm.
1=180
2=180
3=180
4=180

Will do another test when i have the motor warm

What did the leak down say?

Mazdazilla6 09-27-2013 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 2272850)
What did the leak down say?


What did the leak down say?

I don't have a leak down tester but I'll try to go somewhere this week to get a test done.

Lex 09-27-2013 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 2272850)
What did the leak down say?


What did the leak down say?

If the compression numbers are good, there is no oil in the intake and no smoking/oil consumption on startup, accel, decel then I wouldn't jump on a leakdown.

Tokay444 09-27-2013 10:11 AM

knowing what i know now, with my motor, i honestly would only do a compression test SECONDARY to a leak down from now on. So much more vital information to be had from a leak test.

mtosofsky 09-28-2013 09:14 AM

Figure i'd throw in my numbers. Did a test yesterday just to see how healthy the car is. Car is a 2008 with 60200 miles and fully bolted with e85 and meth. Car has been raced a bunch of times and driven aggressively sometimes but i baby it plenty and maintain it well. Numbers were 188-183-183-190.

atvfreek 09-28-2013 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex (Post 2273107)
If the compression numbers are good, there is no oil in the intake and no smoking/oil consumption on startup, accel, decel then I wouldn't jump on a leakdown.

I agree with this. Leak down does tell a lot, but of the car isn't using oil or blowing oil out the dipstick, valve cover etc, you can trust the compression test is accurate.

nycMS3 09-28-2013 01:18 PM

09 MS3 with 50k miles

195 - 192 - 190 - 190

Mods:
SRI, OCC, EGR Delete, Injector Seals, AP + Nishan tune ;)

[R]usty 10-11-2013 11:44 AM

Swapped plugs this morning so I decided to do a compression test while I'm at it. Car was at operating temperature.

1 - 182
2 - 180
3 - 181
4 - 180

:fest30:

theurgy 10-11-2013 11:46 AM

Nice numbers!

maisonvi 10-11-2013 12:05 PM

08.5 MS3 with 84K on the clock.

135
137
135
135

Thinking the gauge was off. (cheap one I borrowed) Car runs like a champ, so I figure its ok. I would like to do a leak down at some point.


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