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Ziggo 07-06-2014 08:13 AM

no other symptoms, though it might have just occurred. The car leaned out after I fixed that exhaust leak, I stopped the first pull at 4.5k but I was at 23psi and 13afr.

I don't have a leak down tester, maybe I will pick one up soon.

Dano 07-06-2014 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggo (Post 2639336)
no other symptoms, though it might have just occurred. The car leaned out after I fixed that exhaust leak, I stopped the first pull at 4.5k but I was at 23psi and 13afr.

I don't have a leak down tester, maybe I will pick one up soon.

I can send you my OTC tester if you want, PM me.

Dano 07-06-2014 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atvfreek (Post 2639131)
@Dano; those PU pistons are just as fragile as the gen1 pistons. They do not like heat and power. Every summer we see more and more ring land failures. And they far trump the amount of rod failures we used to see


Roger that. I was just thinking with aftermarket heat management like a fan controller, you might be able to stretch the useful HP range they can survive. Its a crap shoot for sure and not worth the gamble when rebuilding.

mrQQ 07-07-2014 12:20 PM

I'm really not sure if one pull could do that.

stockms3 07-09-2014 08:33 PM

I've forgot to warm up the engine and it was too late because I had everything out so I ended up testing on cold engine.

80k/stock k04 some smoke after long idle.

1. 180
2. 180
3. 156
4. 165

Retested 3 & 4 wet and both were right on 180....FML:disappointed:

I will redo again tomorrow on warm engine.

Tokay444 07-10-2014 09:29 AM

180 on a cold engine seems high.

Jtaylor 07-10-2014 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stockms3 (Post 2643207)
I've forgot to warm up the engine and it was too late because I had everything out so I ended up testing on cold engine.

80k/stock k04 some smoke after long idle.

1. 180
2. 180
3. 156
4. 165

Retested 3 & 4 wet and both were right on 180....FML:disappointed:

I will redo again tomorrow on warm engine.


Up your idle to 900 and say goodbye to that smoke

stockms3 07-10-2014 10:57 AM

Did compression today again on a warm engine....numbers were exactly the same as cold.

1. 180
2. 180
3. 156
4. 165

Wet test brought the lower numbers to 180, however, I've discovered low coolant and a little milk on my oil cap. Last summer I had water pump and coolant replaced. I don't think it could be a headgasket since oil dramatically improved those bad cylinders.

Thoughts?

stockms3 07-17-2014 10:04 PM

I posted this in local section and just figured I would share in case anyone is wondering.

Performed a leak down test today.
Cylinder/gauge1/gauge2/%between gauges

1. 90psi/88psi/2% leaking
2. 90psi/86psi/4% leaking
3. 90psi/46psi/ SHIT LOAD(abt 46%) LEAKING coming out of the PCV/Oil fill hole
4. 90psi/79psi/12% leaking

My cylinder 3 is fucked. Most likely going forged.

jack_hammer 07-17-2014 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stockms3 (Post 2651881)
I posted this in local section and just figured I would share in case anyone is wondering.

Performed a leak down test today.
Cylinder/gauge1/gauge2/%between gauges

1. 90psi/88psi/2% leaking
2. 90psi/86psi/4% leaking
3. 90psi/46psi/ SHIT LOAD(abt 46%) LEAKING coming out of the PCV/Oil fill hole
4. 90psi/79psi/12% leaking

My cylinder 3 is fucked. Most likely going forged.

I made light of it in your other thread, but that sucks. Sorry to hear.

mrQQ 07-18-2014 04:51 AM

900 miles after rebuild with SP63 10.5:1 pistons the compression is 195 in all 4 cylinders.

IMASA 07-19-2014 03:15 PM

Did a compression test today just to make sure everything is gonna be fine when I install my BNR S3. 84k kms on the motor.

1. 180
2. 180
3. 180
4. 180

Looks like I'm good to go.

LatinKraze 07-20-2014 05:53 PM

Just tested today again with a working gauge (previous HF gauges all read 120 across the board)

Fully bolted (minus Ex/Int Mani) on BNRs3v1 for the last 20k miles...going forged next year

Left to right 168, 165, 170, 173 with 118k Miles.

r3d 07-20-2014 07:43 PM

Looking at everybody's number, I don't feel so bad now.
At 120k I got:

1-170
2-181
3-175
4-170

England15j 07-20-2014 09:24 PM

@35700
1k on BT
1- 189
2- 185
3- 180
4- 186

Gr8Speed 07-23-2014 10:08 AM

100K miles, cold wet test

210
200
195
205

I'm thinking compression gauge is a piece of shit (vatozone) but the consistency is what matters anyway.

sidekick 07-23-2014 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gr8Speed (Post 2656666)
100K miles, cold wet test

210
200
195
205

I'm thinking compression gauge is a piece of shit (vatozone) but the consistency is what matters anyway.

Cold wet test as in engine cold and you added oil? Do a hot test with no oil to get a real idea of compression.

Gr8Speed 07-23-2014 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidekick (Post 2656691)
Cold wet test as in engine cold and you added oil? Do a hot test with no oil to get a real idea of compression.

Shouldn't the heat increase my compression reading? Correct me if I'm wrong.

ABolewski 07-23-2014 11:18 AM

1: 150
2: 150
3: 145
4: 145

Yay.

5doorsoffury 07-23-2014 11:21 AM

Just got my otc comp tester in the mail. 32k tuned since 9k
201
199
199
197

Cevaes_64 07-23-2014 11:28 AM

175 70 175 175... 24800 Miles in FL

Car has been at he dealership for 2 weeks with a blown Cylinder #2 trying to get a replacement engine under warranty =(

sidekick 07-23-2014 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gr8Speed (Post 2656750)
Shouldn't the heat increase my compression reading? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Metal expands with heat. Under normal operating conditions, the engine is hot and piston rings only seal properly once the engine is warmed up. Doing a compression test right after driving will give you the best picture of what your compression looks like under normal operation. You add oil to low compression cylinders AFTER doing the test to see if the leakage is at the piston ring or elsewhere in the cylinder.

Gr8Speed 07-23-2014 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidekick (Post 2657018)
Metal expands with heat. Under normal operating conditions, the engine is hot and piston rings only seal properly once the engine is warmed up. Doing a compression test right after driving will give you the best picture of what your compression looks like under normal operation. You add oil to low compression cylinders AFTER doing the test to see if the leakage is at the piston ring or elsewhere in the cylinder.

Yeah that's my understanding of it and I figured that if it seals while cold, it should also while hot.

I will redo the test next time I'm working on the car.

mrQQ 07-23-2014 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5doorsoffury (Post 2656766)
Just got my otc comp tester in the mail. 32k tuned since 9k
201
199
199
197

that sounds high for stock engine

5doorsoffury 07-23-2014 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrQQ (Post 2657082)
that sounds high for stock engine

Yep but before that i had 196 with a matco tester so it is what it is.
I do comp tests every few months.

Tokay444 07-25-2014 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gr8Speed (Post 2657031)
Yeah that's my understanding of it and I figured that if it seals while cold, it should also while hot.

I will redo the test next time I'm working on the car.

You didn't do it cold.
You did it cold and wet. Big difference.

[R]usty 08-12-2014 11:57 AM

Tested this morning to check if everything was okay after cleaning my intake valves 2 weeks ago. Car was completely warm. Each cylinder was cranked 7 times.

1 - 180
2 - 180
3 - 180
4 - 180

Most consistent numbers I've ever had. :cheers:

kidlifecrisis 09-13-2014 12:31 PM

Bump'd

I started getting some nasty KR (over 5) on my tune which I have been running for about a year now. 3" intake, catted dp, cbe, fuel pump, forge v1, occ, had autolite step colder, switched to itv22, problem started, switched back to autolite, still persists. The car is a 2012, had about 25k when the issue arose.

I threw my maf cal onto stage 2 ots and no more knock at wot (which I'm doing significantly less of since this all started), but when I tested comp, this is what I got...

195
170 (wet was 175)
195
190

What is interesting to me is that the plug on cylinder 2 was MUCH lighter than the other 3. So for some reason that cylinder is running low comp but also much hotter than the rest.

Fwiw the engine, pedals, steering wheel all vibrate somewhat harshly at any given rpm/load/speed. I checked piston height with a 3/8" extension, and cylinders 2 and 3 are identical.

So at this point I'm speculating that it could be a valve issue, or injector seals, possibly both. But I'm still trying to wrap my mind around what could be causing a lean condition in #2 (no CEL however) All were gapped at .026, and rechecked when I tested, still .026

mrQQ 09-13-2014 02:15 PM

I don't think that difference could cause knock.

speed23 09-13-2014 02:16 PM

Maybe an injector issue? causing too lean conditon and knock in cylinder.

kidlifecrisis 09-14-2014 11:16 AM

I threw a half pint of seafoam in a 3/4 full tank this morning, it seems to be running a bit smoother but I'll see how it goes as I burn through this tank. Seems that the low comp could be a symptom of the knock, which itself is caused by a fuel issue

googlebutt 09-20-2014 05:59 PM

Doing my first test, 130 dry test on the nose across the board, tested at a temp of 165. 2008.5 45k miles, no CEL's, no smoke, not eating oil /and runs smooth. Bad gauge?

Tokay444 09-20-2014 06:42 PM

Did you do a wet test?

If there all exactly 130, I would bet the gauge is toast.

googlebutt 09-20-2014 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 2707883)
Did you do a wet test?

If there all exactly 130, I would bet the gauge is toast.

I did not. It's a brand new gauge, I think my engine was a little cold so I'm going to warm it up some more and do the dry test over along with a wet. All my WOT logs look good too hm.

Now that I think about it, the packaging of the tester was kind of sliced up near the extension and gauge, I'm going to go borrow one from Autozone tomorrow.

BackRoads 09-20-2014 08:23 PM

Did mine again today - dry test at 192,500 original miles on the engine: 155-150-150-160. There's life in her yet! Did a leak down test on 4, and got just a little coming through exhaust, nothing past the rings. Overall, pretty happy about it, as we are about to add E85 to my tune on the BNRS3.

dale_gribble 09-20-2014 10:53 PM

New OEM motor, 900 miles, warm (sat for ~30 mins after turned off).

176 - 176 -176 -176

This pleases me.

[R]usty 09-20-2014 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BackRoads (Post 2707929)
Did mine again today - dry test at 192,500 original miles on the engine: 155-150-150-160. There's life in her yet! Did a leak down test on 4, and got just a little coming through exhaust, nothing past the rings. Overall, pretty happy about it, as we are about to add E85 to my tune on the BNRS3.

Very impressive.

ledfootrob 09-21-2014 12:14 AM

Tested mine a few weeks ago

180 150 180 180

Rebuild in progress, cracked ringland on cyl 2.

kidlifecrisis 09-21-2014 02:58 PM

Scoped the cylinder in question, this is what it looked like.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...ecdb575a9b.jpg

It looks like a hot spot on the piston? Or maybe some anti seize got in there from when I did the comp test, hard to tell and being the first time I've looked inside a motor I don't have much of a baseline

googlebutt 10-09-2014 05:37 PM

So I posted a while back that the brand new Innova (3614) gauge I used gave me a reading of 130psi across all cylinders. Ordered the Innova gauge with the solid rubber hose (3612) and just got 185 190 190 190. Beware if you buy that gauge.


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