dun dun dun... its cursed

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Lymerock some people really need to check their ego's at the door, and I dont mean PTP ptp timetables have been fucked up left and right, thats a universal truth, but the people who call bullshit all the time arent doing shit to help lately either. crying about this, making suck my ego posts, running special parts and not reporting wtf they do, building your car and not telling us the truth about how fucked up it is and then there are some that havent done jack shit except grab a dyno number, so to all yall stfu

was this directed at me? ive built my car and been pretty clear about what the problems were. i think jon has too. you got to remember that the exact speculation that PTPs getting hammered for is what we all do once your placed into a situation where the problems arising are yours and yours alone...... mostly because there simply arent other people to learn a hell of alot from once the motor is being built. AND... people are so quick to throw everybody under the bus around here too. CPE and PG have been EXTREMELY helpful getting things all together, albeit slowly...... if the problems that occurred get highlighted... then everybody goes the fuck off blaming the two most responsible for getting it right, also for getting it wrong. thats the ONLY reason i havent been super forthcoming with every little problem weve had to work through.

[Lymerock]

actually pale, im with you on 95% of your posts
I didnt angle that at you one bit
From what I can tell, you are still getting your car back and dont have alot of street time on it yet.

It was just a general comment geared toward the few that think they got it all on lock, when the truth is, nobody knows this car yet, so dont look a gift horse in the mouth, especially when they dont owe ya anything

[Laloosh]

jon mentioned something about egts reaching 1600....who the fuck runs egts that high? Im lucky to see 1250....

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Lymerock actually pale, im with you on 95% of your posts I didnt angle that at you one bit From what I can tell, you are still getting your car back and dont have alot of street time on it yet.

thanks man...im a little sensitive after the other night...lol i dont want to be construed as a big ass around here..at least not all the time

[LBV]

Originally Posted by Laloosh jon mentioned something about egts reaching 1600....who the fuck runs egts that high? Im lucky to see 1250....

1250!!! RU kidding? Is that on the DH? That's waaay low. I see 1600 on a full boost run easy.

[Laloosh]

don't rely on the dh...rely on a actual egt gauge. The dh egt is a cat temp....and its not even accurate....at all

[Lymerock]

Originally Posted by palerider you got to remember that the exact speculation that PTPs getting hammered for is what we all do once your placed into a situation where the problems arising are yours and yours alone...... mostly because there simply arent other people to learn a hell of alot from

fully agree with you here. I also have a unique problem that nobody else has, but since its not a built engine problem its not important to most who think a BT is the holy grail. So I know the frustration you and others are facing because im facing similar bullshit with different parts. My deal is that I talk to people behind the scenes, I dont talk shit about them on the boards if something they suggested didnt work and I am always VERY thankful for every second they consider a fix for my issue.

Just would be a better place if others showed a cunt hair of gratitude

[LBV]

You're right about the DH being CAT temp ... didn't know you had an egt - agreed that's the way to go.

BTW, how much diiference is there between the 2 in temperature?

[Laloosh]

in boost its not even close...driving around its semi close. I have no actual numbers for you.


Lymrock...you need to keep something in mind. With people who spend money on this car, there are no vendors. IF whoever produces shit that doesnt fit/work/or is flat out broken....they will hear about it. If they wanna deal, great, if they dont, gtfo. btwn the last 8ish years, im tired of seeing shit parts and nubs saying omg its great. People who have been around the block a couple of times need to step in and get on their ass. Cobb fucked up just about everytthing they made...people go on their ass, their parts got better.

[Lymerock]

laloosh, I agree with your goal, I dont agree with your method
regardless, what i have learned from you in the past, i apreciate and I dont ever bite the hand that has fed me
with that, I just wish people could relax just a bit
im surpised PTP even posts here with the shit he gets, so would we be better off if he didnt bother with the MS3 at all? im gonna say no

[phailerider]

I agree here with loosh, and i know it even works with cpe too. If you challenge them and put their ass in the hotseat to live up to the reputations they both claim to have or want.... you can get real results. if you lay back and say nothing, or give them nothing... then thats probably what you'll get in return.

Its the hotseat that gets results.

And to be actually SELLING parts that dont get the claimed affect is really where they need to hear it. CPE heard it on V1... and Cobb is hearing it with the APs. Both are vastly improved becuase of "the hotseat", if you will.

PTP has been in the hotseat since this boards infancy... and still parts and results havent been there. I hope someday they are. i wonder why he posts here too. i dont even see what it is he sells to make up the investment that hes got so far.

[Laloosh]

ptp posts here cause his rep is shit everywhere else....and its not getting much better here. Ask any1 with a skittle, or any big vendor htat deal with skittles, what they think of ptp. You might want to step back or hold the phone a lil further from your ear.
What does ptp actualy sell so far?
a mm, a turbo upgrade that is shot and needs to be reworked, a midpipe that comes with no hardware....and ummmm yea. Everythign else jon talks about equals to him shitting on other designs and saying his will be better because ect ect ect....and nothing has come out. If he eventually makes decent parts, people will buy them. Hell im interested in his tranny mount. Untill then, produce something or quit running your mouth

[Lymerock]

I guess I just feel bad for the kid thats on the ground getting sand kicked in his face.
everyone fills a roll in this puzzle of a car, you can be the hammer, Ill be the glue

anyway, sorry to take an OT post further OT

[bova]

a fuel solution that was 30 days away 180 days ago, lol.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by LBV 1250!!! RU kidding? Is that on the DH? That's waaay low. I see 1600 on a full boost run easy.

I get in the 1800's sometimes. meth/WI is saving my pistons lol

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Laloosh jon mentioned something about egts reaching 1600....who the fuck runs egts that high? Im lucky to see 1250....

Where is your probe installed at? We have seen stock manifold and DNP manifold EGT's way over 2200 degrees, warpped valves at that temp. We have the probe before turbo, aft turbo temps are always going to be 300 to 400 degrees lower. DH is calculated temp, there is not sensor in the car to confirm what the DH reads, it just "guessing".

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Lymerock laloosh, I agree with your goal, I dont agree with your method regardless, what i have learned from you in the past, i apreciate and I dont ever bite the hand that has fed me with that, I just wish people could relax just a bit im surpised PTP even posts here with the shit he gets, so would we be better off if he didnt bother with the MS3 at all? im gonna say no

Thanks, I like a good long beating most of the time and this is where I come to get it.

I have dumpped more money into this car then both of the others (SRT4 neon and caliber) combined. We have parts, we will (one day) be selling them. They will be "right" the first time out the door. I have seen, heard, felt, watched and listened to the other vendors produce quick parts that are just OK. The MS community really jumps there asses when they get the slighest part off or it does not "do" what they claimed. Trust me, with the time people have had to wait for our parts if it doesn't do what I claim, that will be death sentence.

We have a fix for the motors, I have given some info on it. I will post pictures as soon as I have the final product. We are running these on 2 different cars with a 3rd one getting installed here soon. I will post up the results and reasons why you need to have this done soon. How soon, no idea. I have asked several to call me if they want a verbal explaination of it, so if you are one of those people I asked to call me, please do.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by bova80 a fuel solution that was 30 days away 180 days ago, lol.

Actually its been over a year. This is what happens when you have to build your own parts and don't use the other guys "brand X". I could have released this months ago and had the same failure rate that brand X had, sorry didn't want that reputation.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Laloosh ptp posts here cause his rep is shit everywhere else....and its not getting much better here. Ask any1 with a skittle, or any big vendor htat deal with skittles, what they think of ptp. You might want to step back or hold the phone a lil further from your ear. What does ptp actualy sell so far? a mm, a turbo upgrade that is shot and needs to be reworked, a midpipe that comes with no hardware....and ummmm yea. Everythign else jon talks about equals to him shitting on other designs and saying his will be better because ect ect ect....and nothing has come out. If he eventually makes decent parts, people will buy them. Hell im interested in his tranny mount. Untill then, produce something or quit running your mouth

Working as fast as I can.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by palerider I agree here with loosh, and i know it even works with cpe too. If you challenge them and put their ass in the hotseat to live up to the reputations they both claim to have or want.... you can get real results. if you lay back and say nothing, or give them nothing... then thats probably what you'll get in return. Its the hotseat that gets results. And to be actually SELLING parts that dont get the claimed affect is really where they need to hear it. CPE heard it on V1... and Cobb is hearing it with the APs. Both are vastly improved becuase of "the hotseat", if you will. PTP has been in the hotseat since this boards infancy... and still parts and results havent been there. I hope someday they are. i wonder why he posts here too. i dont even see what it is he sells to make up the investment that hes got so far.

I really am here to help, most the time people just want to flame me. Cyl pressures and DI threads that I have had to close on 2 occations because people either get it, or they don't. Those that don't get flame me, those that do stay quiet. I am here for market intrest and I have to be in order to keep those that want to spread the miss information in check, buts it been a while since I have done that.

I guess your right, there really is no reason for me to be here..... hmmm.

[mdogg]

Originally Posted by ptperformance I didn't come in here to piss anyone off and I have some pictures I want to post up, not till I have a confirmed fix. How happy would you be if it didn't fix it? Lets not jump the gun on this just yet and give me my 6 months to make sure its working.

If you don't have a "confirmed fix", what do you have? An idea? Theory? Hypothesis? Guess? If the "fix" hasn't been confirmed, is it really a "fix" in fact?

I do understand that you want to be the first with a product; your number 1 priority is selling parts to feed your family - the more sales, the better. But if you say you have a fix, and then say it isn't a confirmed fix, what good is it? If you have an idea, this should be a place to bounce ideas around. If it isn't tested, maybe input from other knowledgeable parties could help speed the process along so that the end result of making power can be achieved fairly easily.

My thing is that you hunt for threads remotely indicated to your proposed solution and post all day long about how you have a fix for it without anything posted to back it up. If it's going to take you 6 months to "confirm" the "fix", why post now?

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by ptperformance I really am here to help, most the time people just want to flame me. Cyl pressures and DI threads that I have had to close on 2 occations because people either get it, or they don't. Those that don't get flame me, those that do stay quiet. I am here for market intrest and I have to be in order to keep those that want to spread the miss information in check, buts it been a while since I have done that. I guess your right, there really is no reason for me to be here..... hmmm.

Man..im so over whatever hostilitys we had. Its not worth it for either of us. that does not however mean i still dont have a hrd time understanding what it is that motivates you here. I can understand not wanting shitty parts but the community is moving ahead so quickly that your going to have a hard time making inroads even once you have parts available anyway.

pumps, mounts, exhausts, ics.... these parts have already flooded the market. customers with brand loyalty are going to continue on with the brands they prefer. you know how this market works jon.

i think your greatest challenge is to create a PTP brand in the market. youre going to have to do that eventually with a part that blows us away on some level... somehow.

i dont want you to leave. but i would say id be much more interested if your results were more forthcoming, or the solutions you have were more readily available, or even remotely up to an accurate timetable.

i know now that im selling parts that the single biggest factor regarding my customer satisfaction is whether i do i what i say im going to do. The few issues i have had have made me heartsick to resolve.... the car communtiy is unlike any other business ive ever been associated with. Timetables, and promises mean abosolute bullshit to these people. That even includes CPE to some extent and i give them grief over it becuase i dont want them to operate like all the others do. it astounds me how bad all these outfits are..... how can you do business this way? only here i suppose.

if you wanted to make huge inroads with us, and for yourself... set yourself apart and create a brand. id say changing the way the game is played would go along way to winning some of these guys over, and that is with me included. good luck and if i get enough balls after i eat a shitton of turkey today... i'll give you a call

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by mdogg If you don't have a "confirmed fix", what do you have? An idea? Theory? Hypothesis? Guess? If the "fix" hasn't been confirmed, is it really a "fix" in fact? I do understand that you want to be the first with a product; your number 1 priority is selling parts to feed your family - the more sales, the better. But if you say you have a fix, and then say it isn't a confirmed fix, what good is it? If you have an idea, this should be a place to bounce ideas around. If it isn't tested, maybe input from other knowledgeable parties could help speed the process along so that the end result of making power can be achieved fairly easily. My thing is that you hunt for threads remotely indicated to your proposed solution and post all day long about how you have a fix for it without anything posted to back it up. If it's going to take you 6 months to "confirm" the "fix", why post now?

We have something that has affected the engine in a possitive way. We moved it one more step by coating the work that we do (ceramic coating). The fix has been confirmed we are just waiting to tear down one more time to verify if the ceramics will be necessary. It is a "FIX" for our motors, no questions about it.

I don't hunt for anything, if you look at my recent post history I have been everywhere from the wheels section to the fuel section. I have been all over and I am not hunting for anything.

If you have a problem waiting the 6 months, then find someone else to do the work for you. If I give away what we are doing then someone else might be able to beat me to the fix. See how this works. I guess I should have just stayed quiet about it and let you all keep building motors and letting the blow up. Then release it, so you could all say "why didn't you have this 4 months ago" and start blaming me then. You all pretty much hate me, so I really don't know why I even post over here anymore.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by palerider Man..im so over whatever hostilitys we had. Its not worth it for either of us. that does not however mean i still dont have a hrd time understanding what it is that motivates you here. I can understand not wanting shitty parts but the community is moving ahead so quickly that your going to have a hard time making inroads even once you have parts available anyway. pumps, mounts, exhausts, ics.... these parts have already flooded the market. customers with brand loyalty are going to continue on with the brands they prefer. you know how this market works jon. i think your greatest challenge is to create a PTP brand in the market. youre going to have to do that eventually with a part that blows us away on some level... somehow. i dont want you to leave. but i would say id be much more interested if your results were more forthcoming, or the solutions you have were more readily available, or even remotely up to an accurate timetable. i know now that im selling parts that the single biggest factor regarding my customer satisfaction is whether i do i what i say im going to do. The few issues i have had have made me heartsick to resolve.... the car communtiy is unlike any other business ive ever been associated with. Timetables, and promises mean abosolute bullshit to these people. That even includes CPE to some extent and i give them grief over it becuase i dont want them to operate like all the others do. it astounds me how bad all these outfits are..... how can you do business this way? only here i suppose. if you wanted to make huge inroads with us, and for yourself... set yourself apart and create a brand. id say changing the way the game is played would go along way to winning some of these guys over, and that is with me included. good luck and if i get enough balls after i eat a shitton of turkey today... i'll give you a call

Randy, if I could openly talk about those parts I would. I have kept my deal with Hal and agreed to let those parts on the market get produced. The customers complain about them and the problems can get fixed that way, trust me there are times when I really have to bite my tounge and keep my words to myself.

Yes I do, its when something better comes along that people question there brand loyalty. Like our trans mount, its going to be hard for anyone to say brand X makes a better product.

My timetables are screwed, applogies for that. Being forth coming is not something I feel the need to do. Not only that but I can not explain what needs to be done, you pretty much need to see the pictures side by side, which I don't have any stock head pictures to share with you guys. Not only that but I don't have a finished one sitting here to take a clean picture of only prototype pictures have been taken.

If you call I will try to share ignoring all past problems and the fact that you are on board with CPE. I will openly share with you, only trusting that you will keep this to yourself till we release it. Call this my leaf turning over event.

[bf360]

Originally Posted by ptperformance Yes the blown motors and possible reason we have been seeing forged pistons coming apart. I have seen 1 stock piston with forged rods and one forged piston with forged rods break. The rod only broke the second time around but none the less it broke. We now have a process inside the head that seems to have fixed this. What we were seeing, themal fractures across the heads of the piston and we even had one piston "stick" to the cyl wall (part of the piston). The DI is not cooling the "whole" (whole being the key word here) head of the piston and hot spots are starting to show up. DI has a much greater swing temp wise then conventional injection. The the parts as a whole can not bee cooled you run into temp flux that causes material failure. This is what we have seen and I think we have fixed it now, pretty much I am sure we have fixed it. I have to pull the head off one more car to verify and then I will be posting the work we offer to fix this. I will applogize for the jumping of the gun but I would have though people would have welcomed a potential fix for this, I guess not.

is that why meth injection sort of saves the motor in a way for awhile? keeping temps cooler?

HERE'S TO YOU

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by bf360 is that why meth injection sort of saves the motor in a way for awhile? keeping temps cooler?

We are going to be pushing meth/WI very heavy here in the next few weeks. This seems to be the life blood for the motor. Its not so much the temps as it is the range of temps across the piston. If we can get Jon to post up some clean pictures of the top of his pistons (all fo them) I might be able to show you guys whats happening. I only have pictures of stock pistons and they don't show the heat indexing like the forged units do.

I also have the best location for the WI nossle. Bottom of the intake manifold where the freeze plug goes. I will get some pictures up of this when we start selling our WI kits, we have seen dramatic changes by installing the nossle in this location.

[ptperformance]

Call me if you want me to share with you, I will not share it online, not yet anyways. 253-277-3843

Ok...I will can I call now?

[ptperformance]

Yes.

It sounds to me like this will be a major leap in our goals. Thank you John. Randy you need to call him.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by jcgemt2003 It sounds to me like this will be a major leap in our goals. Thank you John. Randy you need to call him.

I will when its not thanksgiving. my wife just kissed me for putting up the tree, im not gonna push my luck. And i cant install a meth kit today.

do you think this could have stopped your issues from occurring?

[ptperformance]

LOL, talk with you over the weekend Randy.

[LBV]

I've never heard of a freeze plug ??

[mdogg]

Originally Posted by LBV I've never heard of a freeze plug ??

center/bottom of the IM... here's a pic lifted from Aviator79

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by LBV I've never heard of a freeze plug ??

Originally Posted by mdogg center/bottom of the IM... here's a pic lifted from Aviator79

^^^^ There you go. Install your WI nossle there and get ready for the amazing things it does.

[FreeFlyFreak]

Originally Posted by ptperformance Head work. I will toss you a bone... themal fractures from the DI not getting to parts of the chamber to cool properly. This only happens on motors that have crossed a set power limit. I would almost have to say that Mazda designed the motors to do this because its such a large screw up.

I dont blame you at all for keeping it a secret, if you have truly found the solution at your own expense you deserve to get paid.

All I (and I am sure all) want to know is: below what power limit are we safe on a stock motor.
That would keep everyone safe, until you can release your product.
You would not be giving any propriatory info and might save some people in the meantime who could buy your product later.

Steve

[LBV]

Originally Posted by mdogg center/bottom of the IM... here's a pic lifted from Aviator79

The round shiny plug on the bottom of the pic I take it?

PTP, just tap that in the middle then?

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by FreeFlyFreak I dont blame you at all for keeping it a secret, if you have truly found the solution at your own expense you deserve to get paid. All I (and I am sure all) want to know is: below what power limit are we safe on a stock motor. That would keep everyone safe, until you can release your product. You would not be giving any propriatory info and might save some people in the meantime who could buy your product later. Steve

380 WTQ seems to be the break point. We are not sure where the break point is on the stock internals with the machine work done, but we can tell you that it does help. Forged motors, this is going to be a necessity to keep those expensive parts happy.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by LBV The round shiny plug on the bottom of the pic I take it? PTP, just tap that in the middle then?

Yep. There is enough to get it right one time and one time only. If you screw up the hole you can go down and buy another very easy. We just swapped a customer over to this location and the butt dyno was very happy as well as the EGT's.