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[LBV]

Thx ... I know a lot about cars but learned something new today. For those wanting to know more, here's something from wikipedia:

"Freeze plug is a misnomer for core plug or expansion plug, and is commonly referred to as a "frost plug." They are a subset of the plugs on a car engine cylinder block or cylinder head. The traditional plug is a thin, domed, disc of metal which fits into a machined hole in the casting and is secured by striking or pressing the centre to expand the disc.

A true freeze plug is an expansion plug located in the side of an engine block that is supposed to protect the block against freeze damage. Water expands when it turns to ice, and if the coolant does not have enough antifreeze protection it can freeze and crack the engine block. The freeze plugs (there are usually several) are supposed to pop out under such conditions to relieve the pressure on the block.

Most of the plugs to be found on an engine are actually to plug the holes where sand cores have been held. The sand cores are used in the casting process to form internal cavities in the engine block or cylinder head, for cooling water for example, and so should really be referred to as core plugs.

Freeze plugs can often be a source of troublesome leaks as a result of internal cooling system corrosion. Ease of replacement depends on accessibility. In many cases the plug area will be difficult to reach and using a mallet to perform maintenance or replacement will be nearly impossible without special facilities. Expanding rubber plugs are available as replacements when access is a problem.

A variety of block heater called a "freeze plug heater" can be installed, replacing the freeze plugs, to warm the engine before start up"

[Grim]

So your saying the put the meth nozzle in or by the freeze plug?

[JimmyMac]

My only problem with you, PT, was the way you came on here and said it. Next time choose your wording better.

Anyways, thanks for the info you have shared with us. And thanks for the explanation for why you chose to keep it semi-secret. Please, next time you decide to make a claim, post why you need to keep it under wraps. It'll save your arse from all this bs.

Question, with the WOT box, between shifts the spark is cut, but fuel is still injected. How much cooling effect does this have between shifts?

[CaptainKRM]

Originally Posted by ptperformance Actually its been over a year. This is what happens when you have to build your own parts and don't use the other guys "brand X". I could have released this months ago and had the same failure rate that brand X had, sorry didn't want that reputation.

if you are referring to us using the Autotech parts over a year back, then thats fine, those were terrible. we don't use those anymore and the parts we do use have a near zero if not zero failure rate. i'm pretty happy with that reputation. just to clarify correct information. pretty sure cp-e's pumps don't have failures either.

all that said, while ptp and i have had some disagreements and differences, i do respect his right to maintain a veil of secrecy when it comes to procedures and practices. as a businessman its basic economics to keep a trade secret to yourself if you know you'll profit from it. you don't see pepsi or KFC posting its recipes up on billboards. its his right to share or not share whatever cards are in his hand. every company on this forum, myself included, has its fair share of secrecy when it comes to being competitive. thats part of capitalism, like it or not.

whether or not i disagree with it, or any of us disagree with it, it is a right and should be at least respected. besides, its smart marketing at the very least to generate some attention for when a big unveiling or demonstration of results does indeed occur.

oh and, happy thanksgiving everyone!

[Grim]

Originally Posted by CaptainKRM if you are referring to us using the Autotech parts over a year back, then thats fine, those were terrible. we don't use those anymore and the parts we do use have a near zero if not zero failure rate. i'm pretty happy with that reputation. just to clarify correct information. pretty sure cp-e's pumps don't have failures either. all that said, while ptp and i have had some disagreements and differences, i do respect his right to maintain a veil of secrecy when it comes to procedures and practices. as a businessman its basic economics to keep a trade secret to yourself if you know you'll profit from it. you don't see pepsi or KFC posting its recipes up on billboards. its his right to share or not share whatever cards are in his hand. every company on this forum, myself included, has its fair share of secrecy when it comes to being competitive. thats part of capitalism, like it or not. whether or not i disagree with it, or any of us disagree with it, it is a right and should be at least respected. besides, its smart marketing at the very least to generate some attention for when a big unveiling or demonstration of results does indeed occur. oh and, happy thanksgiving everyone!

well with me living a billion miles away from him it basically impossible for me to use any of his services,so im basically fucked.

[CaptainKRM]

to keep things in perspective here, there are plenty of motors which have not failed under a variety of circumstances, built or otherwise. i do not personally feel you are going to see an epidemic of blown built motors. that does not mean i think what PTP is proposing/doing, from what little i have heard, is not beneficial, it absolutely could be.

[Grim]

im still wondering if i should be safe with a gt35 with ewg on low to moderate boost.

[mrlilguy157]

My pistons all look perfectly fine like they came out of the box, other than 1 which is drenched in oil and broken

[AutoXRacer]

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[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by JimmyMac My only problem with you, PT, was the way you came on here and said it. Next time choose your wording better. Anyways, thanks for the info you have shared with us. And thanks for the explanation for why you chose to keep it semi-secret. Please, next time you decide to make a claim, post why you need to keep it under wraps. It'll save your arse from all this bs. Question, with the WOT box, between shifts the spark is cut, but fuel is still injected. How much cooling effect does this have between shifts?

Understood and I will work on the delivery next time.

I think it would have a good deal of cooling effect on the motor but I don't have one yet. I would love for someone to get EGT readings on this if at all possible?

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by CaptainKRM if you are referring to us using the Autotech parts over a year back, then thats fine, those were terrible. we don't use those anymore and the parts we do use have a near zero if not zero failure rate. i'm pretty happy with that reputation. just to clarify correct information. pretty sure cp-e's pumps don't have failures either. all that said, while ptp and i have had some disagreements and differences, i do respect his right to maintain a veil of secrecy when it comes to procedures and practices. as a businessman its basic economics to keep a trade secret to yourself if you know you'll profit from it. you don't see pepsi or KFC posting its recipes up on billboards. its his right to share or not share whatever cards are in his hand. every company on this forum, myself included, has its fair share of secrecy when it comes to being competitive. thats part of capitalism, like it or not. whether or not i disagree with it, or any of us disagree with it, it is a right and should be at least respected. besides, its smart marketing at the very least to generate some attention for when a big unveiling or demonstration of results does indeed occur. oh and, happy thanksgiving everyone!

Not reffering to anyone, and if you make brand x (I don't think you build anything, everything is build by someone else and you resell it? If I am wrong please correct me) all the better for the market to choose from.

If you took this as me pointing you out, not the case and applogies if you took it that way.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Grim well with me living a billion miles away from him it basically impossible for me to use any of his services,so im basically fucked.

Nope, we just need your cly head to fix the problem.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by mrlilguy157 My pistons all look perfectly fine like they came out of the box, other than 1 which is drenched in oil and broken

Check them very (and I mean very) close. Look for little impacts on the head of the piston near the exhaust valves or near the center of the piston. They will be small but you should be able to catch your fingernail on them.

Next, wipe them down with some cleaner (tops of the pistons) and look for any heat rings. Let me know what you find out.

[cbspeed3]

is this the heat damage you are talking about

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by cbspeed3 is this the heat damage you are talking about

Yes and we have confirmed that the repair is working and that other parts need to be changed in order to make your MS motor bullet proof. I will be working on a write up this weekend in regards to what we are doing to make the motors last.

Jon, if you read this can I get you to take a picture of your piston pin on the one piston that broke. Or better yet can I get you to ship me the one bad piston and pin? I will pay for them if you like. If you do this I will share with you what needs to be done in order to keep your motor happy and healthy for a very long time. Thanks.

[Speedy3]

So could this fix be a combination of heat treatments, 5-layer head gasket, WI/MI, and bevelling of the injector outlet?

[Speedy3]

Jonh, I know you deal with Performance Coatings a lot as do I. I have been very interested in their internal coatings and treatments. Have you had those done on this engine? If so, I'm very interested in the results.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Speedy3 So could this fix be a combination of heat treatments, 5-layer head gasket, WI/MI, and bevelling of the injector outlet?

Yes, yes and yes. The injector outlet need to have more done to is then just a bevel. The cly head need to be completely redesigned in the combustion chamber.

Originally Posted by Speedy3 Jonh, I know you deal with Performance Coatings a lot as do I. I have been very interested in their internal coatings and treatments. Have you had those done on this engine? If so, I'm very interested in the results.

I do more then $6,000 a year with them, yes I do a lot with them. We only had the cly head done with the 2 test engines, nothing else. We will be taking a look at getting other parts coated from them, to test some other ideas that I have.

[Speedy3]

Does the carbon stick to the piston top the same as before and after it has been coated?

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Speedy3 Does the carbon stick to the piston top the same as before and after it has been coated?

No, but they have a special coating for piston tops and combustion chambers in cly heads. It's not the standard "ceramic" that you get when you do the exhaust manifold or things such as that. There is something "special" about it.

[Speedy3]

If I blow and Mazda replaces my engine (i'm stock+MS parts), then I may go this route with forged pistons and rods + coatings. Or, I may just sell the car and get the all Aluminum 2010 MS3.

[AutoXRacer]

Originally Posted by Speedy3 If I blow and Mazda replaces my engine (i'm stock+MS parts), then I may go this route with forged pistons and rods + coatings. Or, I may just sell the car and get the all Aluminum 2010 MS3.

All aluminum 2010 MS3...? Can you expand on that...? What do we have now?