EGR Delete

[spnkr21]

Does anybody know where I can get a egr delete or what I need to buy to make one? I can't find any answers.

[mike8748]

An egr delete is included in the intake cooler kit that PT-performance sells.
PT-Performance.com

[spnkr21]

Is there anyway to get it without having to purchase something else?

[aaronc7]

i bought an angle grinder... cutoff wheel and some little sheets of metal at home depot and made my own

[dukebrown]

Originally Posted by aaronc7 i bought an angle grinder... cutoff wheel and some little sheets of metal at home depot and made my own

Ya make your own. It was too easy.

[whoosh@Realtune]

I made the first one and still make them for members
I lost count but have made near 100 of them since 2007
PM me if you want one

[mdogg]

don't forget the 1/2" NPT plug for the manifold side of the EGR piping when you remove it...

[phillyb]

indeed, whoosh, do you have a plug for what mdogg is talking about?

[Blackspeed]

Originally Posted by phaillyb indeed, whoosh, do you have a plug for what mdogg is talking about?

nothing special. here you go.

Summit SUM-G1488B - Summit® Plugs – SummitRacing.com

[dixie789456]

does the egr delete throw cel's? i would think so, but had to ask.

[spnkr21]

It may but lke whoosh told me. The egr delete benefits far out weigh a cel

[whoosh@Realtune]

Originally Posted by phaillyb indeed, whoosh, do you have a plug for what mdogg is talking about?

as of yesterday
I include the 1/2" npt plug with the EGR block off plates

3 kits shipping today

edit:
5 kits
word travels fast

[pidass]

Originally Posted by spnkr21 It may but lke whoosh told me. The egr delete benefits far out weigh a cel

what are the benefits exactly?

[KayWhy]

Usually cooler temps with most vehicles, not sure on anything directly related to the 2.3 though - Main question as stated above, any CEL's

[spnkr21]

Whoosh wrote a thread a thread awhile ago all about it. It prevents exhaust from going back into your intake manifold. There were some pics of sludge coming right out of the hole into the intake manifold. You can throw a cel but not Sure if all do

[phillyb]

i bet i could read 100 a threads a threads

[pidass]

Originally Posted by phaillyb i bet i could read 100 a threads a threads

is that some kind of stoner circular logic?

[phillyb]

spnkr wrote "a thread a thread" and i made a joke about reddit...here is the original joke - watcher comments on Got six weeks? Try the hundred push ups training program

[all4bspinnin]

their is a lot of information but nothing about CEL's...


DOES THE EGR REMOVAL THROW A CEL?????

[whoosh@Realtune]

Originally Posted by all4bspinnin their is a lot of information but nothing about CEL's... DOES THE EGR REMOVAL THROW A CEL?????

most applications will see a P0401 (insufficient flow/EGR) CEL
which is expected since you are blocking the flow through the valve itself

at the moment, there is no ECU "trick" available to curb the CEL

the benefits of blocking off the soot that contaminates you intake mani and intake valves far outweighs the PITA CEL on the dash
plus you can reverse this mod and you can clear the CEL with any scan gauge available

[Jarods7920]

Ok so there is an insufficent flow, but does having the CEL cause the car to run poorly?

[whoosh@Realtune]

Originally Posted by Jarods7920 Ok so there is an insufficent flow, but does having the CEL cause the car to run poorly?

look at my sig
my car ran great

there wasn't a day that went by that my car had less than 3-4 different CEL's
didn't affect anything

[spnkr21]

Originally Posted by phaillyb i bet i could read 100 a threads a threads

Sorry dude haha. typin on my phone

[all4bspinnin]

your car was using what for tuning? My car is using a cobb AP... from my experience, whenever my STI threw a CEL it sent the car into "Limp Mode" which pulled timing and limited boost to 8ish psi

If you car was tuned off of a piggy back then its going to override the effects of the CEL but for those of us that are tuned on cobb AP reflashes then we may experience the same limp mode symptoms...

any info from cobb AP guys?

thx for the info though whoosh... i agree... on a car without fuel to clean the top of the valves, the EGR is just going to cause grief down the road and rob power....

[spnkr21]

No it won't go into limp mode. It's just an exhaust thing. I had a bad cat cel and it was just annoying to see but didn't affect the car

[all4bspinnin]

good info... let me ask this...

The EGR system on our cars is controlled where and by what? I havent had a chance to look under my hood at the system, but im wondering if someone can create an EGR simulator for us

[clos561]

i read that egr is supposed to help with engine temps along with pollution control. so my guess is that when you egr delete temps are a bit higher which can lead to detonation.

[phillyb]

nvm

[Blackspeed]

Originally Posted by clos561 i read that egr is supposed to help with engine temps along with pollution control. so my guess is that when you egr delete temps are a bit higher which can lead to detonation.

it helps with engine temps by warming it up faster. It has nothing to do with keeping it cooler. When you start a cold engine, the ecu is dumping tons of fuel in to compensate for the cold fuel that doesnt evaporate right away. This helps emissions by burning fuel completely on cold start-ups. at a certain temp it stops recirculating.

[clos561]

im pretty sure this is true

Exhaust gas recirculation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Exhaust_gas_recirculation

[mdogg]

Originally Posted by whoosh as of yesterday I include the 1/2" npt plug with the EGR block off plates 3 kits shipping today edit: 5 kits word travels fast

gotta love 1-stop shopping!

[dcphantom]

Originally Posted by phaillyb spnkr wrote "a thread a thread" and i made a joke about reddit...here is the original joke - watcher comments on Got six weeks? Try the hundred push ups training program

Phillyb is a redditor? blows my mind

[phillyb]

no actually. i'm not. i'm a memer...and that meme was fucking hilarious. that's the only reason i know wtf

[mike8748]

Originally Posted by whoosh as of yesterday I include the 1/2" npt plug with the EGR block off plates 3 kits shipping today edit: 5 kits word travels fast

Can I get a kit?

[fbpem1]

egr injects inhert gas into the combustion chamber, what does that inhert gas do...well since theres no o2 in it just burnt spent non usuable o2, it displaces the air coming in the combustion chamber giving your "more fuel" thus "cooling" the spent gases this does help with NOX thats the only reason the EGR is on cars, is for NOX, IMO i think this car has too much for emissions i don't believe its that dirty honestly as it has cam timing as well (another big kicker for NOX) which is why most cars don't have EGR's anymore in the import world (jap at least)

Yes this does help, yes it throws a CEL, no it won't hurt the reliability of the car, i have had mine plugged for quite some time, and like whoosh i have upwards of 4 codes on any given day.

The way the EGR detects flow is it looks for a drop on the in the EGR temp sensor, when its moving obviously temp changes thus feeding a different voltage back to the ECM.

With ATR i believe you can remove the ECM looking for this by deleting the logic from what i'm told, but the MIL will still be illuminated but if you pull the code nothing will be there.

Hope this answers a lot of your questions, feel free to PM me if you want more.

EDIT:

EGR really does nothing for warming the car up, just to lower NOX as i said before, as most of you probably do you start your car and let it idle for a little bit and warm up, well how would the EGR help that when niether recirc system purges @ idle being EGR and EVAP if they do you have an issue.....just thought i would throw that out there.

[all4bspinnin]

i spoke with cobb tuning and they said that the access tuner race software can delete the EGR code and get rid of that pesky check engine light forever

[whoosh@Realtune]

Originally Posted by all4bspinnin i spoke with cobb tuning and they said that the access tuner race software can delete the EGR code and get rid of that pesky check engine light forever

this has been said many times already
but thanks for the 10th confirmation

the CEL caused by the EGR delete kit can be cleared, deleted by ATR, or left alone / end result being - car runs the same, CEL affects nothing but a light

[mike8748]

Originally Posted by all4bspinnin i spoke with cobb tuning and they said that the access tuner race software can delete the EGR code and get rid of that pesky check engine light forever

How about a link, location in ATR w/ instructions so we can do this?

[all4bspinnin]

Originally Posted by whoosh this has been said many times already but thanks for the 10th confirmation the CEL caused by the EGR delete kit can be cleared, deleted by ATR, or left alone / end result being - car runs the same, CEL affects nothing but a light

No need to be a smartass, I searched a bunch of threads and none of them contained this info, hence why i had to do the research and am now posting it up.

Had the 10 other threads come up then I wouldnt of posted it.

Since this thread keeps getting bumped, hopefully it will help someone kind of new to the MZR platform like myself.
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Mike,

here you go... if you bought an AP you can use it... here's the link so they can email it to you...
CobbTuning.com - AccessTUNER Race - BETA Release

[danesti]

call me lame but does anyone have pics of an install?