EGR delete input needed

[madvillain]

Within the next month or so I will be throwing a BT on the car, and while I'm at it i'll be adding 2 catch cans and I'm considering an EGR delete.. I'm in search of any pro's/con's that anyone has to offer on doing the EGR delete.

Anyone who has done it, please chime in. Did you use a kit or did you make DIY blockoff plates? Most importantly im looking for those who have run into problems after the change, and what they were. Any input on difficulty, pictures to provide, stories, happiness, sadness..

Also, if anyone has any links to share that may have information on the subject please post, that'd be awesome!

Thanks in advance!

[karl-hungus]

didn't dane do one?

[JmkC]

I have it done. Other then the happy clean engine light constantly on, I have noticed zero differences. I got the parts from whoosh.

[madvillain]

Originally Posted by JmkC I have it done. Other then the happy clean engine light constantly on, I have noticed zero differences. I got the parts from whoosh.

i don't mind the CEL, i have one all of the time for my downpipe anyways haha. noticed any decrease in partial throttle knock at all? or knock after long drives/roadtrips?

[OMGWTFHAX]

I dont know how you guys are cool with a CEL. It drives me fucking nuts that I have one that I cant get rid of.

[MATT DAMOND]

I have the PT-P EGR delete that comes with their I/M spacer. It's simply a plug that presses into the EGR tube. I've drilled a pin size hole in the plug, just to avoid CELs.


I had been running an OCC for quite some time before I did the EGR delete, and there was no pool of oil in my I/M anymore, just a bunch of funk contamination from the EGR, and pre-occ PCV gunk, so I properly cleaned it up.



The back side of the TB:




Edit: If you're not planning on getting the PT-P I/M spacer, I'd recommend whoosh's EGR block off plate. Send him a PM

[Hectik1]

I like how you get real answers here on msf vs 247.........

BTW I read your thread on 247.

[madvillain]

Originally Posted by MATT DAMOND I have the PT-P EGR delete that comes with their I/M spacer. It's simply a plug that presses into the EGR tube. I've drilled a pin size hole in the plug, just to avoid CELs. Edit: If you're not planning on getting the PT-P I/M spacer, I'd recommend whoosh's EGR block off plate. Send him a PM

I do appreciate the info very much, thank you. Why would drilling a whole in the plug disable the CEL? just because it's seeing some type of flow, rather than nothing? I've already sent whoosh a PM haha, I'm waiting for him to get back to me. what do you think about the PTP spacer? have you noticed any difference in temps or anything else since you've installed the ptp kit?

Originally Posted by Hectik1 I like how you get real answers here on msf vs 247......... BTW I read your thread on 247.

who me? hah i didnt post anything on 247. i dont even fucking bother with that anymore, place is worthless if you want some real information. if you want to know if some wheels will look pretty on your car, that's where you go.

Originally Posted by OMGWTFHAX I dont know how you guys are cool with a CEL. It drives me fucking nuts that I have one that I cant get rid of.

haha ive gotten use to it. since my DP install at 2,000 miles on the car ive been looking at the light ever since. you can clear it with the DH, but it just comes back. i dont have TPMS sensors either, so I have to look at that light too.

[SRTie4k]

Originally Posted by madvillain haha ive gotten use to it. since my DP install at 2,000 miles on the car ive been looking at the light ever since. you can clear it with the DH, but it just comes back. i dont have TPMS sensors either, so I have to look at that light too.

If that CEL is thrown by the O2 sensor, you can always do the non-fouler mod, if it works on this car...

[OMGWTFHAX]

Originally Posted by madvillain haha ive gotten use to it. since my DP install at 2,000 miles on the car ive been looking at the light ever since. you can clear it with the DH, but it just comes back. i dont have TPMS sensors either, so I have to look at that light too.

You know, with ATR you can delete that code from your ECU so it doesnt throw the CEL anymore.

Just FYI.

Originally Posted by SRTie4k If that CEL is thrown by the O2 sensor, you can always do the non-fouler mod, if it works on this car...

What is the non-fouler method?

[madvillain]

yeah i will delete it next time i get tuned, which will be soon. i just havent cared enough since then haha

[SRTie4k]

Originally Posted by OMGWTFHAX What is the non-fouler method?

Essentially what you do is use a spark plug non-fouler or two to pull the o2 sensor slightly out of the exhaust path, that way a lot less exhaust gas gets detected by the o2 sensor, yet still enough that it doesn't throw a lean code (as if you zip tied it to the subframe or something).

Not sure how many non-foulers are needed in our car to make it work, though, but I would start with 2.

Here's a good example:

$5 o2 cheater/non fouler how-to - evolutionm.net

[turd burglar]

I've heard that the egr delete can cause cylinder temps to get too high. But i've heard nothin but positives about the egr delete until recently with the cylinder temp thing. Any second opinions about that?

[madvillain]

my DP cel is a "catalytic converter below temperature threshold" or something like that. it's pretty spottle, sometimes itgoes away but its mostly there.

[JmkC]

Originally Posted by madvillain i don't mind the CEL, i have one all of the time for my downpipe anyways haha. noticed any decrease in partial throttle knock at all? or knock after long drives/roadtrips?

Nope. The most knock I get is .35. After delete there was no increase nor decrease. Pretty much just keeping things clean haha

[Blackspeed]

Originally Posted by MATT DAMOND I have the PT-P EGR delete that comes with their I/M spacer. It's simply a plug that presses into the EGR tube.

i thought the ptp im spacer came with the coolant bypass, not the egr delete

[SgtP]

i had a lot of soot getting in my engine that the egr delete stopped. well worth it IMO.

[madvillain]

what kit did you purchase, sgtp? or was it a DIY?

[SgtP]

whoosh's "kit"

[gsrtype1]

Ive had the non-fouler trick on my car for over a year works perfect...

[MATT DAMOND]

Originally Posted by madvillain I do appreciate the info very much, thank you. Why would drilling a whole in the plug disable the CEL? just because it's seeing some type of flow, rather than nothing? I've already sent whoosh a PM haha, I'm waiting for him to get back to me. what do you think about the PTP spacer? have you noticed any difference in temps or anything else since you've installed the ptp kit?

I'm not 100% sure on this, but if there is still a little flow of EGR, what ever sensor reads it, won't trip a CEL. At least that's the case on the MS6, which I've heard is more sensitive to an EGR delete.

I love the PTP spacer, I wish I had a DH to monitor the real benefits of it, but it seems others have done that. It does work quite well though, after a drive in like 70-80º temps, the I/M will feel cool to the touch, even after like 5-10min of sitting. The spacer really helps with heatsoak. Since heatsoak is reduced, the BAT sensor gets a more accurate reading, basically it will some-what preform the same duties as RR TB spacer, but also keep the mani cool.

I recommend it to every MS3 owner I know.

Originally Posted by Blackspeed i thought the ptp im spacer came with the coolant bypass, not the egr delete

Mine came with both the TB bypass and the EGR-D, I'm not sure if they all do. I'd ask PT-P.

[madvillain]

ill check with PTP once i hear back from whoosh. thanks guys for the info, i really appreciate it!

on a side note, has anyone been able to disable the EGR code in ATR?

[danesti]

i say go for it.. i usually check my dashawk for codes about once a week, the CEL doesnt bother me as long as i know its nothing else.

[JmkC]

you can delete the p0401 code so it does not show up when you check for codes, however the check engine lights still stays on. till cobb fixes it at least

[madvillain]

okay cool. honestly i could care less about the CEL code, i just need to decide which kit to go with! thanks again fellas. now i just need to order a few catch cans.

[danesti]

Pm whoosh, or buy a plug and make a block off plate.
honestly if you dont mind a few bucks its easy just to ask ron for one (whoosh)

[madvillain]

anyone have is actual e-mail, he's not very active around here anymore

[whoosh@Realtune]

sorry bro, your your PM
been crazy for me lately....I'll set you up

[aaronc7]

i think i might need to get a real plug and swap it out for my ghetto natorized version

[madvillain]

Thanks Ron, I understand the craziness. I PM'ed you back, as well as paypal funds sent for two kits, for a local friend of mine!

[tvissues]

Originally Posted by madvillain Thanks Ron, I understand the craziness. I PM'ed you back, as well as paypal funds sent for two kits, for a local friend of mine!

and thanks for the kit! i'm wondering how i can install this kit without a CEL... maybe put a small hole into the plate?

[tvissues]

Originally Posted by tvissues and thanks for the kit! i'm wondering how i can install this kit without a CEL... maybe put a small hole into the plate?

Anyone?

[danesti]

thats a terrible idea.
live with the cel.

[tvissues]

Originally Posted by danems6 thats a terrible idea. live with the cel.

isnt there a way to shut off the egr monitor for emissions purposes?

[danesti]

not that i know of.. people have discussed this in the past. i changed my EGR block off plate and put the tube back in.. took about 20 minutes.
and im (not really sure) thinking its on the throttle body side of the system. a hole there would just be a boost leak and a lean idle.

[bioevolve]

I'm in the process of making something to remedy the CEL for the EGR Delete. Well it's not a delete lol. Hopefully it will be ready next month. I will be making them to sell, so I can't divulge anymore info lol. Just have some patience.

[spnkr21]

I know how to get rid of the CEL. I took the whole intsrument cluster out, put some black electrical tape over the cel but behind the display. No more CEL.

[tvissues]

Originally Posted by danems6 not that i know of.. people have discussed this in the past. i changed my EGR block off plate and put the tube back in.. took about 20 minutes. and im (not really sure) thinking its on the throttle body side of the system. a hole there would just be a boost leak and a lean idle.

Nah i'm talking about the block off plate. there'd be no leak, its just allows the EGR to partially work.

[MATT DAMOND]

Originally Posted by tvissues Nah i'm talking about the block off plate. there'd be no leak, its just allows the EGR to partially work.

Then it would just VTA, you need it to be read by the MAP sensor or w/e to not trip a cel.

I've installed a bung in my EGR tube and drilled a tiny hole in it. Basically my EGR is restricted... very restricted. So no CEL, and my mani is this clean:



Compare that to my pics in the earlier post, and it explains itself.

[BolvangaR]

Originally Posted by MATT DAMOND I've installed a bung in my EGR tube and drilled a tiny hole in it. Basically my EGR is restricted... very restricted. So no CEL Compare that to my pics in the earlier post, and it explains itself.

Sorry... but what's a "bung"? So basically you plugged the tube and then drilled a pin-sized hole in the plug? That's what I'm gathering unless "bung" is not some strange word for plug.