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Originally Posted by trickytwelveinch
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Mate, I'm not arguing the points I'm going to make with you since everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Regardless, I want to make state few things in general towards anyone.
Are you an actual mechanical/engine engineer to make that assumption that this motor can't be driven up to 400HP?
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No, I'm just keeping track of blown motors, and how they happened.
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I highly doubt that you are. Shit, one forum on the whole internet and a few blown engines and majority (this part is my favorite) of people who aren't actual engine/mechanical engineers disproving this platform of being inccapabale of making 400WHP...I'm sorry but that's all that this is.
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I didn't say it couldn't I was just saying that's not the point of OEM design. But ya, anything can get re-engineered if you throw enough money at it.
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My friends whole motor build for his 06 WRX is roughly 15K... and he's building the motor first- the way it should be done.
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And that illustrates my point, thank you. I paid $25K for a whole car, and your friend is sinking $15K to make a similarly priced (new) go faster. That's $40K. If I had that kind of coin I'd have bought a different car than an MS3, or WRX.
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Unfortunately, here we have a brand new platform and people right away think they're going to slap on nothing but bolt ons, load pre-loaded maps (that are meant for disaster) or get a bad costume tune or god knows what else and they're surprised when their shit blows.
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Indeed, but keep in mind that some of them did nice work and spent a lot of money to keep it reliable, but still threw a rod.
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To those who are worried about blowing their engines build your motor first. A 400+ MS3.... I dunno why you would want one.... first gear is useless even at 360HP.... Regardless, 330-360WHP on stock internals I think for the MS3 is enough.
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I agree, but I think 330-360whp is a bit optimistic if you want a 100,000 mile engine that doesn't need constant fiddling with to keep running, pass smog checks, etc. It's also too much for a nose heavy FWD car, IMO, unless your only interest is straight line speed.
Fresh out the box, torque steer, under steer, and wheelspin are already a problem. The latter two have simple fixes, but torque steer was a compromise they made to keep the price down. Ford Europe seems to have solved it for the most part with a front suspension redesign, but we're all stuck with Mazda's answer, power limiting. And it doesn't work.
So ya, like I said, if all anyone cares about is doing import drag races, and don't care about warranties, have at it!! But if you want the whole car to be a good daily driver with very good performance, there's still a lot you can do, while keeping the car fun, reliable, comfortable, and covered by the powertrain warranty.
I love really powerful cars but seriously, a FWD car at this price point, is the wrong place to start. That was my point, and no disrespect intended for people who DO want a 400whp MS3, and are willing to spend what it takes to do it properly. Everyone needs a hobby.
