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ptperformance 05-26-2008 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ATE BALLER (Post 31959)
How much did you enlarge the orafice? How did it effect the rail pressure?

Sorry, that is going to be privy info till we get the bugs worked out. I suspect that it will be copied soon enough when we release it.

Rail pressure is still dropping with revs (like the stocker) so a pump upgrade is going to be needed no matter what you do.

ptperformance 05-26-2008 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by whoosh (Post 31967)
this mod is bigger than most realize

I'm now playing with the fuel rail...

after enlarging the feed line, the return orafice in the fuel rail to the CDFP is seemingly too small
that is being enlarged as well

with the upgraded CDFP + flow mods
we won't need much more fuel to go big IMO which is a good thing vs. additional injectors, etc etc
but the injectors are still the unknown at this point in terms of cc size and potential
we're working on it guys....

Don't forget to rework the injector feed holes, add 25% more to them size wise. It helps a ton.

That return line has been bothering me as well... I have to check on the fitting that is on the rail because the service manual states that if you remove that fitting the rail is no longer any good?

Getting the bugs worked out of the factory lines is going to be a huge thing for those that want to go big. I suspect that you are monitoring EGT's as well Whoosh, that is the one thing I noticed right away.

ptperformance 05-26-2008 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TRU-BOOST (Post 32003)
i'm missing how there is too much fuel. the car is still ecu controlled correct ? its my understanding that the ecu controls the fuel addition by controling the injectory duty cycle. it bases how long the spray period based on the fuel rail pressure. so just having the abilty to get more fuel to the rail shouldnt matter as far as AFR's are concerned, because the pressure will still be the same, or likely lower than before. i do see this being beneficial when the stock system just cant flow what you need, but i dont see how it would have that kind of effect on a computer controlled car.

I have tried to explain this time and time again and I never seem to get it right. Let me try something new.

You have 2000 psi behind a pipe that has a computer controlled valve on it. Now the computer can only see pressure, that it. If you swap that pipe out with one that is 4 times the size, the computer still only see's the pressure. There is more volume and less shock to the pipe when you go to the larger pipe. The shock is the back and forth movement when the computer opens and closes the valve. Bigger pipe doesn't see the shock that the smaller pipe does.

Make sence. The PCM was programmed for the smaller fuel stream going into the rail. Make it bigger and don't tell the PCM, it will still calculate for the small supply of fuel but you have now added more then 4 times the supply. Pressure and volume kind of go hand in hand but there are things like HYD shock (opening and closeing of injectors), heat, pressure expansion, bubbling, ect ect that happens with high pressure applications. This is why the pressure stays the same but the delivery changes.

Kind of like putting an intercooler on the car. They can both be the same size but one cools, moves, and works better because of the "design", nothing to do with materials its all design. God I hope this helps.

ptperformance 05-26-2008 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AutoXRacer (Post 32040)
So would you say this might be an alternative to a high-flow CDFP...? :06:

Stock applications, maybe. Modded applications with bigger turbos or big wheel units, no.

ptperformance 05-26-2008 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bioevolve (Post 32166)
FYI: Be careful not to run that rich to long if you are catted. Fuel will collect in the cat's substrate, ignite and create extreme temps then eventually melt it. You will start feeling loss of power due the substrate clogging the exhaust flow, sound of hissing will be heard, also the cat will get so hot the car will catch fire. Oh yeah forgot, the metal of the exhaust piping, turbo, turbo manifold before the cats will start to extreme heat crystalize and become brittle and crack if ran like that for awhile before the hissing and fire lol.
If you don't have cats then you are fine, it'll just come out the tail pipe.

That has already happned, thanks. The cat on our car is now dead.

ptperformance 05-26-2008 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MS3-oholic (Post 32619)
Who is the manufacturer of the injectors for our car. If it's not mazda, maybe the manufacturer has some info they are willing to share with someone. You all have probably thought of that though and got shut down. I just haven't heard of anyone trying this yet.

They have Ford stamped on them, I hope to hear back from the injector shop this week. They have done some testing and have some initial results for me but nothing to sent home to mom. If all goes well I hope to have something that will show me "numbers" in the next 2 weeks.

cld12pk2go 05-26-2008 04:54 PM

Loving the info!

Keep it coming.

Tks

IKILLPEOPLE 05-26-2008 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ptperformance (Post 32678)
That has already happned, thanks. The cat on our car is now dead.

i did the cat cleaning procedure on my car, because i kept throwing cat eff. codes... now i am having no problems. the car *feels* a tad faster too.

MazdaMan13 05-27-2008 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ptperformance (Post 32679)
They have Ford stamped on them, I hope to hear back from the injector shop this week. They have done some testing and have some initial results for me but nothing to sent home to mom. If all goes well I hope to have something that will show me "numbers" in the next 2 weeks.

so your goin to officially find out what size our injectors are?

ptperformance 05-28-2008 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MazdaMan13 (Post 32787)
so your goin to officially find out what size our injectors are?

I am working on it. I have $2200 wrapped up into the injector testing and extra injectors already. I should have some thing to "test" on my car here in the next few weeks. I have sent my injector supplier 12 injectors already x $300 per injector.... you do the math. Good thing I can find these things used some times.

MazdaMan13 05-28-2008 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ptperformance (Post 33398)
I am working on it. I have $2200 wrapped up into the injector testing and extra injectors already. I should have some thing to "test" on my car here in the next few weeks. I have sent my injector supplier 12 injectors already x $300 per injector.... you do the math. Good thing I can find these things used some times.

when will we know the size?

IKILLPEOPLE 05-29-2008 01:31 AM

patience, grasshopper.

ptperformance 05-29-2008 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MazdaMan13 (Post 33506)
when will we know the size?

When I get it. I have no idea when I will be getting this info. Soon is all I can hope for.

dkswim 06-02-2008 01:38 AM

loks interesting will need to read up more i got through the first 5-6 post

redspeed 06-02-2008 08:55 PM

Sub. for good info.

MazdaMan13 06-09-2008 10:31 PM

ptperformance: any update on the injector size?

Demi 06-09-2008 11:47 PM

Jesus christ john how many balls you got in the air at one time?! Thanks for the hard work though.

ptperformance 06-11-2008 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MazdaMan13 (Post 37405)
ptperformance: any update on the injector size?

Nothing yet guys. I am still waiting on test results.

ptperformance 06-11-2008 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Demi (Post 37410)
Jesus christ john how many balls you got in the air at one time?! Thanks for the hard work though.

I have 5 or 6 different places that are working on getting results for the MS3 and the SRT4C parts. Most seem to have there dicks stuck in the mudd right now so I will be moving on to other companies if they don't start moving on this right away.

AutoXRacer 06-11-2008 11:02 AM

So what was the result of the fuel pipe/line? Will there be a product released soon?

ktan91 07-07-2008 02:05 AM

Bump! sub! Did this start on another thread?

SpyNaldo 08-24-2008 02:38 PM

any news?

PDXImportRacer 09-07-2008 06:05 PM

+1

Demi 09-17-2008 03:15 PM

.......vaporware?

itzl0l 12-27-2008 12:59 AM

bump after another thread re-peaked my interest.......

Tommyspeed3 12-28-2008 01:04 PM

Thanks to the guys that are working on this stuff. This is a good hope for us!!

mpsgarage 12-30-2008 11:51 PM

We are really working on a mod like this down here as well. Once as we get the car back on the road. I'll let you's know how its working out.

P.S PUMP & FUEL LINES moded

fat_dave 12-31-2008 09:41 AM

bump... sub

ptperformance 01-02-2009 05:19 PM

Guys I have all the details worked out in my section with pump versions 1 - 3 getting released here very soon.

If all goes well testers will be reporting back on them very soon on there results with the fuel supply of pump version 1.

08_ms3_gt 01-03-2009 11:27 AM

bump for a very educational thread.

any word on what kinda pump the CDFP is??? if it's centrifugal, the pressure drop factor is huge, which you might have already noticed. positive displacement pumps generally deliver the same flow no matter what pressure drop, which doesn't seem to apply to these units.


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