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Nel Mazdaspeed 03-26-2015 06:34 PM

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...e93d5bb1cb.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...d329df4221.jpg

Mine looks nothing like that! Is that a stage 3 Daily Driver?

Matrix311 03-26-2015 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nel Mazdaspeed (Post 2842603)

It's a stage 3 yes I just don't know which stage 3 version

Nel Mazdaspeed 03-26-2015 06:42 PM

Well I ended up taking it out and going with the luk clutch kit and fidanza flywheel. . I have to send my kit bak to SB for testing though im pretty sure it was install error on Rev Works Inc...
I was told that the stock is known for holding more than or atleast 400whp which is where im near so we'll see..
If they warranty it ill have a stg3 DD to sell.. if they dont then ill be going after the shop that installed it improperly with the evidence that im putting together. To start off they didnt lube my release bearing.... smh

Nel Mazdaspeed 03-26-2015 07:06 PM

Here's my dry TOB sleeve. ..
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...5c2b64a21a.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...9e002a1d99.jpg

This is what they did when I asked them to replace my Rear Main Seal and they charged me $100 including the seal.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...00a0690d69.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...3cf6bdd589.jpg

After all this time dealing with this issue thats what's left of my clutch and PP. .
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...b323bfc134.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...68bea22a15.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...f49d24d775.jpg

Did you have this issue with your PP hitting the bell housing?
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...4d23dad1f3.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...67361cac95.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...ca79455324.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...83618b83f3.jpg

I am beyond pissed with this situation...

My new luk cluch kit. . Though I'm not to sure about that Release bearing comparing it to my exedy one...
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...1494bf9ccd.jpg

Matrix311 03-26-2015 07:07 PM

Ya I looked at my pressure plate and looks like it was rubbing. Guess I never noticed any issues. What problems to people have when the pressure plate hits the bell housing?

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...484674146d.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...e83afec5e0.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...2968d8e8d4.jpg

802MS3 03-26-2015 07:43 PM

Do both of you guys have a 2007? I don't have any issues with my stage 3 endurance yet...

Matrix311 03-26-2015 07:44 PM

Mine is an 07 yes.

Nel Mazdaspeed 03-26-2015 07:54 PM

Apparently the bell housing needs to be grinned down near the release fork... theres athread im told on here..

im an 09

Matrix311 03-26-2015 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nel Mazdaspeed (Post 2842708)
Apparently the bell housing needs to be grinned down near the release fork... theres athread im told on here..

im an 09

Link the thread please

Nel Mazdaspeed 03-26-2015 07:57 PM

I havent looked for it.. I was told there was..

At this point I already know about the issue andbyou confirmed it with your PP... lol

Matrix311 03-26-2015 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nel Mazdaspeed (Post 2842715)
I havent looked for it.. I was told there was..

At this point I already know about the issue andbyou confirmed it with your PP... lol

I just wanted to know how to fix it and where exactly it needs to be ground down and how much to grind.

What issues may we see if we don't grind the bell housing?

Nel Mazdaspeed 03-26-2015 08:03 PM

Also taking measurements of my tob, luk vs exedy... theres a discrepancy. ..
The exedy is really close to the size of the sleeve and the luk has more play...
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...092df2cd53.jpg
Sleeve ^

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...8ac148cd6f.jpg
Exedy^

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...823aa16f6c.jpg
Luk^

Look at the bell housing you should see marks in front of the fork..
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...bacccf6e48.jpg

Like this^

Matrix311 03-26-2015 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nel Mazdaspeed (Post 2842719)
Also taking measurements of my tob, luk vs exedy... theres a discrepancy. ..
The exedy is really close to the size of the sleeve and the luk has more play...
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...092df2cd53.jpg
Sleeve ^

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...8ac148cd6f.jpg
Exedy^

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...823aa16f6c.jpg
Luk^

Look at the bell housing you should see marks in front of the fork..
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...bacccf6e48.jpg

Like this^

You are not using the oem throw out bearing?
Inside of my bell housing is fine.

Nel Mazdaspeed 03-27-2015 01:26 PM

I have a question. .. wich way was the large hub side of the clutch disc facing? The PP or FW?

Matrix311 03-27-2015 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nel Mazdaspeed (Post 2843316)
I have a question. .. wich way was the large hub side of the clutch disc facing? The PP or FW?

Flatter side is pressure plate and the larger side that protrudes outward more goes flywheel side.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...1f7874464a.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...165d24b2c8.jpg

New throw out bearing installed.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...0e45df64c1.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...7955b28071.jpg

Cleaned up the pressure plate and flywheel with emery cloth and looks new now.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...836d0cb619.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...980ab1f044.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...30bf17f580.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...e62d7223e2.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...99fb07ca6b.jpg

All back in
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...86f51ae553.jpg

Nel Mazdaspeed 03-29-2015 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matrix311 (Post 2843681)

So how does it feel? Any diff?

Ill be getting my new fidanza fly wheel tomorrow and will be installing the luk kit instead.. its a shame because other than the xtremely heavy pedal and before the major issues afterwards, I liked the way the SB hooked...

Once I get a few testimonies from mechanic shops of their impression on the codition of SB parts I took off, im sending it to SB for final testing.

I honeatly dont know what went wrong other than "rev works" not lubricating the tob sleeve and botching my rear main seal install that cost $110 with the part... go figure :/

We'll see... I just need my car back on the road.. im tired of this shii....

Matrix311 03-29-2015 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nel Mazdaspeed (Post 2844218)
So how does it feel? Any diff?

Ill be getting my new fidanza fly wheel tomorrow and will be installing the luk kit instead.. its a shame because other than the xtremely heavy pedal and before the major issues afterwards, I liked the way the SB hooked...

Once I get a few testimonies from mechanic shops of their impression on the codition of SB parts I took off, im sending it to SB for final testing.

I honeatly dont know what went wrong other than "rev works" not lubricating the tob sleeve and botching my rear main seal install that cost $110 with the part... go figure :/

We'll see... I just need my car back on the road.. im tired of this shii....

I will button it up today. I ran out of time on Friday and was out wheeling my jeep all day yesterday so today I will finish it up. But I did connect the slave and then pushed the pedal and it's nice and stiff like before. I'm sure it will feel exactly the same as before.

Stay tuned for results

lnumbp 03-29-2015 11:42 AM

Silly question; how do you torque the FW to crankshaft bolts with the engine still in the car? Is engine compression enough to make that happen?

I'm considering the SB stage 2 enduro clutch but the fact that the pressure plate touches the bell housing is a small concern.

Matrix311 03-29-2015 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lnumbp (Post 2844316)
Silly question; how do you torque the FW to crankshaft bolts with the engine still in the car? Is engine compression enough to make that happen?

I'm considering the SB stage 2 enduro clutch but the fact that the pressure plate touches the bell housing is a small concern.

Have a buddy hold the crankbolt while you torque the flywheel bolts down. Crankbolt I believe is a 22mm

Nel Mazdaspeed 03-29-2015 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lnumbp (Post 2844316)
Silly question; how do you torque the FW to crankshaft bolts with the engine still in the car? Is engine compression enough to make that happen?

I'm considering the SB stage 2 enduro clutch but the fact that the pressure plate touches the bell housing is a small concern.

Shave down a lil portion of the BH with a grinder in the area of th pic that I posted and you should be fine...

Matrix311 03-29-2015 05:55 PM

Just wanted to toss out an update! Just finished the car up and went for a test drive and all is back to normal. Car shifts perfect and smooth as butter again. One thing I will mention regarding the clutch disk which i'm highly impressed with is the chatter. There is basically ZERO clutch chatter with this newly revised clutch disk I received from South Bend. It was really quiet to begin with when I had the old clutch disk but the new one is amazing. Compare this to an ACT and you'll think I have a stock oem clutch still in the car.

Glad to have my car back on the road again. Time to get an alignment tomorrow and give my car a wash.

Nel Mazdaspeed 04-06-2015 10:52 AM

Update on my end.. I put the luk kit and fidanza fw, it feels way too dam light :/ it's engages smooth right now (new feel) I hope it don't get any lighter after break in... I'll be sending the SB kit back this week to get inspected.. the saga continues.

Matrix311 04-06-2015 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nel Mazdaspeed (Post 2850262)
Update on my end.. I put the luk kit and fidanza fw, it feels way too dam light :/ it's engages smooth right now (new feel) I hope it don't get any lighter after break in... I'll be sending the SB kit back this week to get inspected.. the saga continues.

Please post back up what southbend says after they look at it.
I'm really loving my clutch again. Now with all new hydraulics and a different clutch disk, this feels great! Just hope this clutch disk lasts longer than 20k miles.


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