JB SSP w/ TWM STS
 

Hey,

I Just installed the JB short shift plate - as you can see in my signature I also have a twm short shifter w/ bushings and a 600gram weighted shift knob.

Initial review: WOW! Now my shifter actually feels super tight and the travel is so small I cant believe it. I am really impressed - not only with the performance - but with the build quality and ease of install. Anyone that has an STS should explore this awesome product.

Although - I will say it def. takes some getting used to - i ground third pretty badly in my first ten/fifteen miles. Which is annoying because i thought i fixed this problem with the XT -M5-QS tranny fluid - RMM - and STS.

I have seen threads talking about minor adjustments done to alleviate this problem - but i dont really see how the adjustments can be any more than a few millimeters. The little screw with the jacket and ball joint on it touches the shifter arm on the bottom - which if backed out of the jacket too much will push the shifter plate off the original ball joint and thats no good. I doubt anyone knows what i mean haha it makes sense to me.

Overall: great mod for $80 and I am sure with some more driving I will get used to it. Perhaps I will figure out how to adjust it properly - - - If anyone knows how to do this let me know.

Thanks!

have fun replacing your shifter cables in a few weeks!

If you haven't yet..... try this it helped me with my issues.....

(Jamiesplanet.com)

As drknye mentioned see Jamiesplanet.com for the instructions to tune the shifter and it will be perfect.

This is simply stupid and not true.

Jamie

Bloody hell, that's bullshit. I've been running my own design short shift plate for what, a year, more? Drag raced the car several times and nothing, zero-zip-nada, for problems. I see no reason why this one would be any different. Ridiculous.

I understand your skepticism about the effectiveness of adjusting the cable. I shared your skepticism before actually doing it, but as folks are saying, it's amazing that a small adjustment can make a large difference in the performance of the shifter.

Darth Vader,

I'm an engineer at a capable machine shop in Austin. I don't want to take the time to design my own SSP and am wondering if you might want to share your design. I've taken a gander at the stock SP and what JB's SSP look like and see where the distances change.

However, I'm lazy. I'd rather just model the part in SolidWorks via your drawing and make my shop guys CNC me the plate and weight out of stainless with some custom etching.

Help a brother out? If you have a CAD file, I can use pretty much any format for AutoCAD, SolidWorks, or ProE. ALso, how much does your weight weigh?

So you want to machine your own? It's not worth the $80 to you?

Seriously man, jamie's a great guy. Yeah, he doesn't have the fancy-pants resources of the bigger companies, but just ask around - he's the best example of how to treat customers I've ever seen. He has always been a class act, which you can't say about many of our other vendors. CP-E and PTP are particularly bad at talking shit to one another, which is IMO what you need to do with a personal account and not one affiliated with a company.

I dropped a spacer when I was replacing them on my car. I asked jamie if I could buy another, seeing as it was my fault that I lost it, and he charges $25 (I think) for a set of 4 (so the money he makes on each one isn't extraordinary, but it's not insignificant either), and he sent me one for free. Covered shipping and everything.

I'm just saying, I would get the plate from jamie. You'll only be out a few bucks, and you can be 100% sure that if anything goes wrong he will have you covered, respond quickly, not be an ass even if you are to him, etc. Seriously, it's worth it.

+1

I'm definitely not knocking anybody's products, I own the jbarone SSP and I love it! I'm against the idea of combining the SSP with a STS. The plate offsets the shift cable atop the tranny and from the instructions on TMW's website, it looks like their STS is just a shorter shaft and an offset ball for the shifter cable cup. So it seems like the cable would stretch/snap with both ends being altered around 30%. I may be wrong i guess...

I know you posted that awhile ago...but are you serious man?

Honestly, I'm glad Jamie puts out a good product. I'm happy for him. I'm happy for all guys who are happy with the product he happily sold them. Why would I care though? Why would I pay $80 for something I can have for free? We're not talking rocket science here, he took his shift plate, moved one hole, and made it look pretty.

I gave Jamie the option to make his profit. I offered him a signed non-compete form and whatever his profit margin was if would give me a CAD drawing of his plate. It was win-win. He get's his profit without selling a part. He claimed he didn't have the CAD file...riiiiggghhht.

Since this post, I went and made my own SSP out of stainless, threw in a little custom logo engraving and threw it on there. It works perfectly.

I'm not in the market for putting money into people's pockets unless I have to. I'd prefer to keep that money in my own pocket. I suggest you all do the same. Sure, if the guy produced something I couldn't design and fabricate on my own, and I wanted it, sure...I'd be happy to pay. End result though is he didn't and I didn't have to pay anyone.

Pay him $80 because he's a good guy and has good customer service...you guys are smokin' crack.

I don't have the means or the equipment to bend and cut metal in my apartment. That's why I paid the $80. The fact that he's a good guy with good service is just gravy.

I actually think this is pretty disrespectful honestly. It’s like asking Coke for their recipe so you can make a case for yourself or Colonel Sanders for the 11 herbs and spices so you can make a bucket.

Who in this business would give someone the CAD Drawings to the parts they make? I can’t even believe you asked. I don’t need the money and for me this has never been about profits. OK maybe a little but common really? Others should take offense too for being told they're on crack for spending hard earned money in return for quality parts, good customer service and ongoing support. End Rant.

No worries you got what you set out for.

Wow! I must be smokin' some crack. I purchased the ssp from Jamie cause I could not do it myself. Not all of us have the know how or the tools to do this. I appreciate the parts and the customer service that James Barone Racing provides. Now :bryce:

i've thought about the fact that i could probably make my own now since i have his plate and the machines needed to make the plate here at pitt but i don't regret buying from jamie at all. He's a great guy and always helps people with any problems.

Hmmm, I'm fairly new to this forum, but I already know that Jamie's a class act, and his customer service is top notch in any form of business. That's why I ordered from him and not from someone else, or bought an STS. I knew the product would arrive in a timely manner and fit and function perfectly (as per all the good things I've heard on this fine website).

Anyways, getting kinda back on topic, is it still not recommended to combine SSP with STS on MS3s (acronyms galore!)? If there are no problems other than stiffer/harder shifting, I wouldn't mind combining my setup as well.

Any thoughts?

It can be combined with a STS with no stretching or risk of breaking cables. I've installed this combination in a few cars and I like it. It works well but more effort is require to shift; that can some what be offset with a heavy shift knob. Adjusting the shifter will also be necessary.

Thanks,
Jamie

I would say shifting would be a hell of a lot harder with the combination of a SSP and STS. Offsetting the shift cable twice just doesn't make sense to me...if people need to go beyond a 30% reduction in shift throw, then just get an auto. it'll still be faster than any one person can shift manually.

BTW the slandering of Jamie was totally uncalled for. XLT_66 is just a hater because he wasn't smart enough to make money on it himself. That's real world business and Jamie is a smart and talented guy. :fing02:

I'm not trying to be a dick here. You guys are missing my point. As I said before, if someone offered a product I did not have the knowledge to produce myself, then I would GLADLY pay that person their reasonable asking price in return for said product. These people, like yourself, do and will continue to support good businessmen like Jamie because you don't have the knowledge or means of making it yourself.

I did not mean that someone who bought this part from Jamie was smokin' crack. I meant that if someone had the desire and knowledge and means of making one themselves but went and spent money on it instead..then that person would indeed, be smokin' crack because that person is lazy or doesn't work for their money. Both are types of people I have a hard time respecting.

I actually think this is pretty disrespectful honestly. It’s like asking Coke for their recipe so you can make a case for yourself or Colonel Sanders for the 11 herbs and spices so you can make a bucket.

Who in this business would give someone the CAD Drawings to the parts they make? I can’t even believe you asked. I don’t need the money and for me this has never been about profits. OK maybe a little but common really? Others should take offense too for being told they're on crack for spending hard earned money in return for quality parts, good customer service and ongoing support. End Rant.

And I totally can agree with this point of view. I probably wouldn't have sent you a CAD drawing either. But as my Dad always used to tell me, "It never hurts to ask. All they can do is say no." Words to live by guys. You'd be amazed at what people are willing to do if you just ask. While I'm at it, another great line is "Is that the best you can do for me?"...The answer is yes or no, you can't go backwards, only forwards.

End result. I made a plate myself but couldn't have done it without Jamie implanting the idea in my head that got me thinking about it. Does it function the exact same as Jamie's? Yes it does. Does it look as good? Depends on who you ask. Mine is bare, tumbled SS304 compared to Jamie's nice anodized finish. Am I glad I saved the $80? You'd better believe it. :headbang: