Just installed PTP internals..and problem

[Fagwagon]

This is the email i sent to PTP regarding my problem, i want to post it here to get your ideas as to what the problem is, thanks.


A couple weeks ago i bought your mazdaspeed3 fuel pump internals, i installed them over the weekend and followed your install process to the T. After the intall i let the car idle for about 20min and over the weekend i drove the car for the initial break in period. which was about 120 miles. I did a few pulls yesterday and the internals seemed to be doing great. Then today im driving to work normal everyday driving and i go to pass someone. I had my ap monitoring knock at the time, when i go to pass the car hesitates and goes pretty lean so i let off, i got no knock so i switched to fuel pressure and holy shit its down at 51!!! so i get into the slow lane and about 15 seconds later it seems its back to normal.. then about 5 miles after that just cruising it goes back down into the 50s... sorry for the long email but i want you to know exactly what is happening so you can diagnose the problem. Plz let me know what i need to do.

[Blackspeed]

They will tell you to repeat the break in procedure.....another 100 miles.

[Fagwagon]

thanks for the reply, so i imagine you had the same problem?

[rodrigo]

well, lets see here......what was it again.... oh yeah...rev the shit out of it to "solve" the issue and if it persists swap for a new set. either way keep john informed and im sure he will make it work out

[Blackspeed]

I actually ddint have that problem at all, but there are plenty of people who did. I went WOT at 100 miles and havent looked back (although i have looked at my logs)

[Fagwagon]

Originally Posted by Lenny127 well, lets see here......what was it again.... oh yeah...rev the shit out of it to "solve" the issue and if it persists swap for a new set. either way keep john informed and im sure he will make it work out

ok so i guess its normal then...it scared the shit out of me. I know i installed it right...ive been a mechanic in the guard for 5 years now so im not retarded

[rodrigo]

well this is where i beg to differ from john.....i dont see shit normal about that.......... but john will tell u its normal and that u need to rev it up more etc etc...


u bought his product might as well follow his instructions.......but set yourself a limit amount of miles to where u say "fuck it" send me new shit

whether i agree as to the whys or not is a moot point

[Fagwagon]

Originally Posted by Lenny127 well this is where i beg to differ from john.....i dont see shit normal about that.......... but john will tell u its normal and that u need to rev it up more etc etc... u bought his product might as well follow his instructions.......but set yourself a limit amount of miles to where u say "fuck it" send me new shit whether i agree as to the whys or not is a moot point

ok gotchya...for some reason reading your post gave me dejavue, i sware you posted that exact thing before. lol.

[the_caruch]

our cars can run at idle (assuming you disengaged the clutch right after it happened) with just 50psi? I know it's normally in the mid 400's at idle.

[Blackspeed]

what rpm's did you see in the first 100 miles? I wound my shit up to 5000 when i could and i never got into boost.

[Fagwagon]

i was cruising at the time and had just hit the gas to slowly accelerate (i wasnt mashing it and downshifting) im sure i got fuel cut because of it thats why it hesitated hard, i imediatly pushed the clutch, got back over and resumed cruising...but yah, it didnt die

Originally Posted by Blackspeed what rpm's did you see in the first 100 miles? I wound my shit up to 5000 when i could and i never got into boost.

well the way i took it i wasnt supposed to be hard on them, i did a few times get up to 5000 with maybe 5psi boost after about 70miles

[Blackspeed]

you are supposed to vary the rpms through out the rev range. If you have been granny shifting during the break in and then mash it, that might be the problem. This is just my theory.

n/m, just saw that were light accelerating. like i said just a theory.

[Fagwagon]

well its pretty hard to keep the boost low (per the instructions) and vary the rpms that much...which im pretty sure they said nothing to the effect of hammering it up to 5000 then letting off, but, really ive only done two good pulls since the break in period.

[Blackspeed]

Youre right, its not easy to vary the rpms that much. I also never said i hammered it to 5000. Thats why its hard to vary the rpms because I got to 5000rpm's on light throttle and I never hit boost at all. You have to drive totally different than what you are used to.

[Fagwagon]

Ok, i understand what you saying to do...im gonna try breaking them in again for the 100 miles...hopefully it pans out and ill wait for a reply from ptp.

[esr010]

I installed mine not too long ago. Everything went smooth and i followed the directions to a T. Idled 20 mins and then rolled onto the high way (staying out of boost) and as soon as i hit 4th gear 50 psi cut (i didnt even really touch the gas either). I limped to the next exit. It took me about 30 miles to not get any cutting while not even boosting..

I was able to do 1st-3rd gear and had to work into 4th gear eventually. I literally started at 2k and gradually rolled to 5.5k a few times and it was much better but like i said it took 30 miles. You look like an idiot driving around fast and then slow varying rpms but its what you need to do. I have not yet had an issue with them since and i hope it stays that way.

If you think one cut was discouraging try getting it everytime you hit the gas at all in 4th gear... Keep at it. Im sure they will say to do another 100 mile break in... Just make sure you are doing 3k-5k pulls up and down with no boost, it will take a lot of getting used to.

GL

[Fagwagon]

Originally Posted by esr010 I installed mine not too long ago. Everything went smooth and i followed the directions to a T. Idled 20 mins and then rolled onto the high way (staying out of boost) and as soon as i hit 4th gear 50 psi cut (i didnt even really touch the gas either). I limped to the next exit. It took me about 30 miles to not get any cutting while not even boosting.. I was able to do 1st-3rd gear and had to work into 4th gear eventually. I literally started at 2k and gradually rolled to 5.5k a few times and it was much better but like i said it took 30 miles. You look like an idiot driving around fast and then slow varying rpms but its what you need to do. I have not yet had an issue with them since and i hope it stays that way. If you think one cut was discouraging try getting it everytime you hit the gas at all in 4th gear... Keep at it. Im sure they will say to do another 100 mile break in... Just make sure you are doing 3k-5k pulls up and down with no boost, it will take a lot of getting used to. GL

Ok awesome thanks.

[Fagwagon]

monica at ptp emailed me back and said to do an additional 30 min idle break in.

[Fagwagon]

im really not convinced that another "idle break in" is giong to help...i just took it out to get lunch and did what you said...and it happend again once, i got a blip of 51 psi. It really scares me cuz im sure that if it keeps doing this im gonna blow my motor to shreads.lol.

[Blackspeed]

Just be light on the throttle. The load will be low, so if your psi drops, it will be fine.

[Fagwagon]

Originally Posted by Blackspeed Just be light on the throttle. The load will be low, so if your psi drops, it will be fine.

Ok gotchya.

[xcoldricex]

sorry, why do you have to break in these internals and not any one else's?

[Fagwagon]

Originally Posted by xcoldricex sorry, why do you have to break in these internals and not any one else's?

DUNNO

[aaronc7]

Originally Posted by xcoldricex sorry, why do you have to break in these internals and not any one else's?

per PTP:

Originally Posted by ptperformance The sticking is from coheisve friction and the process that we use with the cryo process and the quenching in some special moly lube. This surface has to be broken in, and it can take up to 500 miles if the owner never revs the car over 5000 PRM during the break in. I could go on about the cross hatch or the hardness scale of the parts being separated by x numbers to achive this "stick" and break in process but I have this feeling that I would have better luck talking to a wall.

[rodrigo]

hey i remember that mumbo jumbo talk.......... thats what i said.

rev the shit out of it

[m4tic]

^beat me to it

[Fagwagon]

Originally Posted by aaronc7 per PTP:

if this was the case why would they tell me to idle for another 30 min...why didnt they just say exactly that.

[2007speed3]

Ahhhhmmmmm...

I have 1300 miles on my ptp built pump, still fucking seizes..

that is all..


maybe i should let it idle for another 30 min. haha

[Fagwagon]

Originally Posted by 2007speed3 Ahhhhmmmmm... I have 1300 miles on my ptp built pump, still fucking seizes.. that is all.. maybe i should let it idle for another 30 min. haha

ill be damned if it takes me that long to work this shit out...i just did a 25 min drive doing the light throttle to 5000 rpm...usually it was from 2500-5500 rpm in 4th then id shift into 6th and coast till 2500 rpm and do it again...not the easiest thing to do especially in rush hour

[rigor]

try a top end lubricant like Lucas additive to the fuel it's worth a try

[rodrigo]

Originally Posted by 2007speed3 Ahhhhmmmmm... I have 1300 miles on my ptp built pump, still fucking seizes.. that is all.. maybe i should let it idle for another 30 min. haha

u serious??

[madvillain]

FUCK breaking that pump in. If I saw 50psi on my pump I'd rip that fucker right off and it would be in a box back to John. That fuel pump pump is nothing to fuck around with, it's not worth causing serious damage to your motor man.

[2007speed3]

lenny the car has been parked since January.

I managed to pay her off a few months back and picked up a new carefree ride. Ill start fucking around again this summer when the weather gets nice.


The PTP is shit. people can blame me all you want for installing wrong but i got 2 preassembled pumps. the first one became SEIZED, it would take pop eye to prees the spring in after i took it out after 500 miles.

The current pump i did the ricer break in for 200 miles, i then took a trip to ny 1200 miles long.

the pump seized on me in NYC traffic very dangerous situation, i could of gotten ran over by a tractor trailer due to POS pump.

ill be back in ny in may ill try to """""""let it idle again for 30 minutes as that is the new fix"""" and get the car running again. it sucked as i hadn't been able to drive wot for months of a failing pump then to only have weeks of a pump that is incapable of being broken in. its terrible, PTP you are doing the right thing but i dont know what the issue is with my pump. I thought it might have to due with the pump itself that i have, as it was the same pump both times, but honestly i have no idea.

end of rant, and anther glass of wine...

[Fagwagon]

ill keep posted on how mine goes..

[phillyb]

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[darth vader]

Tight tolerances are essential for this to work but, there was a problem with supply, I believe, earlier this year, when some pump parts were machined in cold temps and failed QC when measured at higher temps, iirc. PtP followed this up and solved the problem. It meant having to wait for a while to get pumps or internals. This could explain a pump siezure as the parts would grow slightly at higher temps and they might hit interference fit.

[Fagwagon]

i did the 30 min "break in" more like 25min but whos counting...i did the ricer drive for another 15-20 miles this morning so thats a total of about 60 miles of ricer drive.

[Fagwagon]

mother fucker just did it again. Another email sent.

[nighthawk358]

damn

[Fagwagon]

YAH, they are not returning my email...second one today...every time i read their product description on the website it pisses me off more and more. I need to vent...this weekend i will probably take them out and put the stockers back in...they were just fine, i hate wasting my time and money.