Lieast dyno day fail
 

As some as you know we had a dyno day here on long island with nator ny and nj... It was a blast... For most of us... As for me some how my timing slipped and seemed to bent/freeze up my valves and I was doneski. Alot of the guys have been askin me what's goin on so thought I'd set up a thread to tell my progress/ ask for ideas and help...

As of now I got the car home and when I get home from work this evening I'm gonna get it all set up in the hut.. Pull the valve cover and see if anything is visable... If I come across anything umm unique I'll post some pictures lol..

Thanks again for all the help I got on sunday...

That sucks, good luck. Hopefully she'll be on the road soon enough.

Best of luck!

Call me or come to the shop if u need anything

If you need some evo brochures just let me know.

good luck

if you need an extra set of hands let me know

im only good at taking shit apart tho

Sorry to hear man hopefully the monster will be back on the road soon!

Haha trust me I wish man

Just let us know if you need anything. Hope it turns out easier then we thing.

Took te valve cover off and it looks perfectly intact... Before I take my cams off to check my valves... Any way if my cam sensor craped out totally would that not allow my car to start?

@SPEED6 KILLAH

not not cranck. try spining it clockwise from the crank bolt.

Being that the car wouldn't even crank seems like bend/stuck cams but it wouldn't even try to turn over. Or hear the starter...

I'll try that first thing in the morning... Working night shift tomorrow.

If it spins over by hand let me know

Evan, if you need help just ask. What Mike takes apart I will put back together, but he very effciant at the disassembly process! I am serious bro, just on sat,sun.

@LiEast,@8.5MS3

That would be awesome!!! I just wana find out exactly what's wrong, get all my parts then maybe set up where we can bust it out so I'm not wasting people's time...

If I get what's wrong then we can roll

I seen this car in person while crankin the cam were not moving at all the bottom end was the only thing moving mean you have bent valve. You had problems that day at the dyno event were it was breaking down underload. what you could do is remove the intake manifold and take a look at your valve.

If you can take a pic of inside of your valve cover i wanna see something.

Ok fellas... Dustin was right

I tested the crank bolt... Well that was loose as a whore! Wasn't even spinning the cams.. Tighten that up and the cams spun nicely untill it hit the intake side of piston... Valves are bent.

If I get a new timing chain,tensioner, crank blot. and new valves think we can do a group effort install over a weekend? Kmac,kirtz, and 8.5ms3 to get this thing rolling again... I wana make sure I get the timmin exact, I don't trust myself now...

here you go

How about this LiEast Ill pick up your car no charge and take to my shop give a week and you be up and running.

Shoot me some prices for the work.

Ti Valves $600,custom cam $900, Pistons $400, misc $500, Labor $1500, Being in the 500+ club Priceless.

OP, your ripping into the motor and replacing a lot of parts.. might as well replace them with better parts...MOAR POWA!!!11!1

I bet your pistons are fine, or at least fine enough. You may just need some valves. And typically the exhaust valves are the ones that get bent, so your intake valves may be undamaged as well.

Your gonna have to pull the motor and get the head off to be sure.


<----- going to check his crank bolt soon, hahaha.

When you torqued the crank bolt, did you do the 90 degree additional turn after torquing?

I'm going to go with no

Hopefully it's something obvious like that. Sucks that this happened, but it would be better if there is no doubt it won't happen again.

His pistons should be fine, this exact same fail happened to me when I first put together my engine. his valve guides should be fine as well, mine were good, only damage should be bent valves.

i pulled the head without pulling out the motor, that might be easier.

So you locked the timing change tensioner in place with the blind plug? And removed the cam gears?

Any issues with verifying the timing once you put the head back on? I've been wanting to try that for a while honestly.

I removed the timing cover instead. I also want to try the way you mentioned but haven't actually done it.

no issues verifying timing.

HOLY SHIT dude....... i can't even begin to think how you got the timing chain cover off with the motor in the car, hahahaha.

Kudos to you for pulling that off. I imagine pulling the motor wouldn't have been too much more work lol.

Evan, let me know if you need any help. I'm basically right around the block.

Sorry to hear about this man.

so whats the lastest on this?

this is the bolt hole to use to lock the chain in place then you can take the intake bolt off to get the cam sprocket off and then the chain will be loose. At this point you can then take the fuel pump off and take both cams out. This will allow you get to the head bolts and then you can take the intake and manifold off the head. At this point then you can then take the head off the car.. If you can get he studs out of the head on the exhaust side the you can leave the turbo and mani in the car just lift the head up out of the car.
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This i how you find the TDC so that you can put the chain back on the cams...
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Awesome pictures, yeah i have had that timing cover off a few times with the engine in the car.

I am in the same boat as you are going through here man, my crank bolt was loose as hell and I will be taking the head off tomorrow to get it to a machine shop.

Good luck with everything!

sorry i havent been on the fourms to update last weekend i brought the car upstate NY to my In laws my father in law is a mechanic so he has a really nice little shop set up at his house so i did it there where i would have ALL the tools NOT out side and pleanty of room to dive in...

if you didnt know you would think it was a track car lol

so last saturday i got dirty and pulled the head off... it was a little tricky but i didnt want to pull the whole motor so i did it with it still in the car... got rid of all the juck on the passenger side, powersteering pump and side mount and all that stuff... i think the hardest part was freeing up all the hoses by the fuel pump and the electrical plug..

took the valve cover off, crank pully, timing cover, timing chain cams then head bolts...

right now the head is at a shop getting a whole valve job and cleaning still thiking about porting it...ALL the INTAKE valves were bent...and gunked up from the timing being jacked up....pistons are fine

i get the head back tomorrow or thursday all new gaskets/timing tool comes from streetunit/mazda on friday for sure,saturday it should be all back together and ready to roll...

deff going to use some lock tight on that crank bolt..... geezzz

that turbo looks even bigger with no head on the motor!! :firedevil:

In the manual it says the following:

1. insert SST in the block lower blind plug and rotate engine so #1 is at TDC.
2. release the tension in the timing chain by removing the lower blind plug and inserting a screwdriver to unlock the chain tensioner ratchet.
3. rotate exhaust cam clockwise to loosen the tension on the chain
4. remove upper blind plug and insert bolt (one from the timing cover)
5. loosen exhaust cam bolt and remove sprocket.

you didn't mentioned step 2 above, is that step needed? I need to do this so I can check the torque specs on my head bolts.

when i took my chain off i just put a bolt in the upper plug hole and then i loosened the cam sprocket and took the chain off and once the chain was off then i took the cams out. Once the cams were out the valves were all closed so can rotate the crank all i want since none of the valve can hit. So

I could of lead you one of my timming tools.. As for puting lock tight on the bolt I wouldn't do that .see the problem I be seen a lot of you guy are going by my Mazda
torque spec it's cool but you have to over torque a little the spec trust me I do the shit everyday replace vvt..