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| Not Ranked : 0 score OffTopic Noob Question: Never done head work on an engine like this. It looks like the cams sit right on top of the valves kinda like a motorcycle engine. Everyone (SOHC) I've worked on has roller followers that pivot to push the valves down. So question is do you have to (should you) keep track of what valve bucket goes with each cam lobe like a old flat tappet cam? Roller cams/lifters are usually lenient about what roller goes to which cam lobe, but flat tappets wear funny if they aren't matched back to their original lobe.
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It's critical to keep each bucket in it's place and not lose track.
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score i got all the tools and parts ready and i should get it finished saturday... just scary... and i really hope/cant have this happen again lol
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Yup, i wouldn't chance it. Only use the SST for finding TDC:  Then swap it out with a normal bolt that won't bend:  Scariest part is that extra 90* to stretch the bolt:   It takes a ridiculous amount of force. Get a long bar so you don't have to work as hard, and that'll help keep things smooth and controlled. If your doing it on an engine stand, it may be helpful to have a second person help "steady" things.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score The reason people spin these engines when replacing the crank bolt is because they forget to replace the friction washers. This is the most important part of the setup without replacing these the engine will spin once a decent bit of load is put on it even if you did the 90o turn. Locktite is not going to save you here only new friction washers and a new crank bolt. If you want to go over to 100-110o get the ARP crank bolt please. That and this bolt is reuseable. Also Those aluminum SST are garbage they break almost every time when doing the final 90o turn. I suggest either a bolt like this guy is doing or get the steal SST. Also break the 90o turn up into 2 45o turns with a break of 5-10min in between this will give the bolt time to cool down. This was recommended to me by one of the guys over at Formula Atlantic. If you want a keyway done there is options The sprockets on these cross reference over to the exact same part # that the mz3 duratec 2.3L have meaning the cosworth keyed sprocket will work for these engines. I have done this on a few cranks so far about to do the first onto a speed crank in a few weeks. Ultimate peace of mind is knowing you won't spin timing. kritz likes this. |
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Crankshaft Sprocket - Engine Components - Cosworth USA  I think i'll try this on the motor i'm assembling soon as well. Thanks pink for the idea!
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Heads up that sprocket is the first piece you want to get ahold of before making any atempts at keying this crank there is a ton of lead time from cosworth I have been waiting on one for about a month and a half now. The first block I did it only took me about 2 weeks but as the demand has risen the availability has shrunken. Here is a picture of my MZR crankshaft with the keyway and a sprocket. Something that is miss leading to some machinest and clarify this with them is that the orientation of the sprocket doesn't matter due to the cams not being keyed only thing that matters is the keway in regards to the crank pulley these need to be aligned for TDC. The one pictured is about 1.5degrees off which I have compensated for. About to do 2 more of these one for a ms3 block I will be building soon and another MS3 crank for my own use.  |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score I think that crank has the wrong rod journals. Not 100% sure though... Because i needed oversized rod bearings initially, i ordered a set of duratech 2.3L bearings for giggles, to see if they would fit. They were significantly smaller than the mazda ones 
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| Not Ranked : 0 score I was talking to my friend . He said there is a kit out there that u can key a crank with. I dont know the whole info, but you time the engine and then drill a hole through the pully into the crank and place a pin in it .or some shit like that. sounds kinda ghetto though. ill try to find more info about it.
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score Ordered the valves on thurday and they won't be here till this Thursday and streetunit sent them to my billin address not the shippin adress... So I have to get them to the shop (2hours away) hopefully on Friday and they can finish the head before they are closed for the weekend.. I just get fucked every way possible with this one huh?
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score Got the head back this morning all nicey nice... Spend the day putting it all back together (takes alot longer then taking it out lol)... Spent some time on the timing making sure Everything was good. Couple of pointers I wante to say but to tried to remember I got it all set started to crank it over and battery was dead, and it started pissing out fuel from the big nut under the pump.... Gave up and tomorrow is another day .... I'll have to pull the pump make sure it's seated right...
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score Double check?!? I'm tripple checkin! I did rotated it with my hands 3 rotations an no "dinks" noises, spun freely.
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score so far its running all good... i got a bad tap in one of the valve caps soo annonying! we see maybe it will fade away
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