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aanguia1 12-06-2011 09:42 AM

Damn should I take off my tp then? Don't have hpfp or tune just a Sri and tip with a tp I'm getting nervous now

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Tokay444 12-06-2011 10:00 AM

Have a way to watch your di pressure?

zatara 12-06-2011 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aanguia1 (Post 1153138)
Damn should I take off my tp then? Don't have hpfp or tune just a Sri and tip with a tp I'm getting nervous now

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If you have no way of monitoring what's going on with your car, for all you know, squirrels could be nesting inside one of your cylinders and you wouldn't know. Until the engine blows that is, then you will.

aanguia1 12-06-2011 10:29 AM

This sucks....don't have anything to monitor I'm not going wot anymore till I get my hands on an AP

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Enki 12-06-2011 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aanguia1 (Post 1153225)
This sucks....don't have anything to monitor

Bummer man.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aanguia1 (Post 1153225)
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Wait a minute...

junior96 12-06-2011 11:54 AM

Yeah, i didn't know about the CAI and TP needing to be tuned, wont make that mistake again.

Hectik1 12-06-2011 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aanguia1 (Post 1153138)
Damn should I take off my tp then? Don't have hpfp or tune just a Sri and tip with a tp I'm getting nervous now

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I ran this setup with no tune for at least 30-40k miles.

zpele 12-06-2011 12:21 PM

SRI/CAI and TP dont cause detonation lol. Just watch your FP.

aanguia1 12-06-2011 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enki (Post 1153230)
Bummer man.


Wait a minute...

I dont get it lol fail...





Quote:

Originally Posted by Hectik1 (Post 1153408)
I ran this setup with no tune for at least 30-40k miles.

But I think the gendone is not as sensitive as the genpu which is what I have...right or wrong?:confused:

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Lex 12-06-2011 12:25 PM

The genpu is more robust - the stock tune is more robust that is.

Enki 12-06-2011 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aanguia1 (Post 1153426)
I dont get it lol fail...

You have an Android phone.

Here's a thread with relevant info:
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru.../torque-70662/

aanguia1 12-06-2011 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enki (Post 1153725)
You have an Android phone.

Here's a thread with relevant info:
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru.../torque-70662/

Wow that's awesome but from what I see is that they don't have the PIDS for genpu

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Tokay444 12-06-2011 03:44 PM

Lex, not to negate you, but when the genpu tune see di pressure <1600 psi at wot, it tries dumping even more fuel which taxes the cdfp even more and the downward spiral begins.

Lex 12-06-2011 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 1153795)
Lex, not to negate you, but when the genpu tune see di pressure <1600 psi at wot, it tries dumping even more fuel which taxes the cdfp even more and the downward spiral begins.

I am speaking in general. The Genpu stock tune is a little more robust than gen1 - they dealt with some of the issues and hence a lot fewer blown motors.

Tokay444 12-06-2011 04:50 PM

Oh, gotcha.

corypechon 12-08-2011 10:48 AM

Update on my story: I convinced Mazda to replace it for me but now after talking to the tech I think I could possibly have another problem. The tech mentioned that he drove it into the bay twice on 3 cylinders. Which was fine and dandy I suppose but he said after the partial tear down he never put oil back in it and rolled it back into the spot where it was parked. When the people from warranty solutions came out for the inspection he tried to move it again with NO oil -___- he said he made it about 10 feet before it completely seized. I have 2 concerns. First, the radiator dumped all its coolant and water into the engine which means there's probably coolant in the turbo. Second when he ran it without oil, was that starving my turbo of oil?? I realize he wasn't boosting in the 20 feet to the bay but could that cause a problem? I'm thinking not but I wanted your guy's opinion. I didn't bring it up in front of him, I was planning on bringing it up with the service manager if necessary. I'm more worried about coolant sitting in the turbo for the last 2 weeks. Any input would be appreciated.

jbmazda6 12-12-2011 01:58 AM

I pulled a zoomzoomboom the other night

2006 mazdaspeed6
stock manifold
2.5k rpms
20 mph in second
under no acceleration
mods: sri, hybrid bov (full recirc), tp, 1 step colder plugs
cylinder 1 with holes in the front and back of the block, and cracked oil pan
73k miles
no warranty

Dahouse702 12-12-2011 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jbmazda6 (Post 1161914)
I pulled a zoomzoomboom the other night

2006 mazdaspeed6
stock manifold
2.5k rpms
20 mph in second
under no acceleration
mods: sri, hybrid bov (full recirc), tp, 1 step colder plugs
cylinder 1 with holes in the front and back of the block, and cracked oil pan
73k miles
no warranty

How did you monitor your car?

neofandango 12-12-2011 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corypechon (Post 1156781)
Update on my story: I convinced Mazda to replace it for me but now after talking to the tech I think I could possibly have another problem. The tech mentioned that he drove it into the bay twice on 3 cylinders. Which was fine and dandy I suppose but he said after the partial tear down he never put oil back in it and rolled it back into the spot where it was parked. When the people from warranty solutions came out for the inspection he tried to move it again with NO oil -___- he said he made it about 10 feet before it completely seized. I have 2 concerns. First, the radiator dumped all its coolant and water into the engine which means there's probably coolant in the turbo. Second when he ran it without oil, was that starving my turbo of oil?? I realize he wasn't boosting in the 20 feet to the bay but could that cause a problem? I'm thinking not but I wanted your guy's opinion. I didn't bring it up in front of him, I was planning on bringing it up with the service manager if necessary. I'm more worried about coolant sitting in the turbo for the last 2 weeks. Any input would be appreciated.

Best thing that could of happend to you. Now dealer really owns the problem.

RUMBLEFISH 12-12-2011 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corypechon (Post 1156781)
Update on my story: I convinced Mazda to replace it for me but now after talking to the tech I think I could possibly have another problem. The tech mentioned that he drove it into the bay twice on 3 cylinders. Which was fine and dandy I suppose but he said after the partial tear down he never put oil back in it and rolled it back into the spot where it was parked. When the people from warranty solutions came out for the inspection he tried to move it again with NO oil -___- he said he made it about 10 feet before it completely seized. I have 2 concerns. First, the radiator dumped all its coolant and water into the engine which means there's probably coolant in the turbo. Second when he ran it without oil, was that starving my turbo of oil?? I realize he wasn't boosting in the 20 feet to the bay but could that cause a problem? I'm thinking not but I wanted your guy's opinion. I didn't bring it up in front of him, I was planning on bringing it up with the service manager if necessary. I'm more worried about coolant sitting in the turbo for the last 2 weeks. Any input would be appreciated.

Who gives a shit about the cheap turbo that guy cooked the main bearings. Dude you now should demand a new engine and while your at it shake the hand of the warranty solutions guy. Maybe even give him a christmas present and consider yourself a lucky bastard. If your not comfortable confronting them since I don't know you get someone who is to go down and confront the dealer and the warranty guy. If you don't you're a chump.

Tokay444 12-12-2011 05:11 AM

You're*

mituc 12-12-2011 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 1161959)
You're*

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jbmazda6 12-12-2011 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rox702 (Post 1161917)
How did you monitor your car?

Didn't... only for a month or two though. I was getting an AP though and then this happened..

Tokay444 12-12-2011 10:01 AM

Lol.

Lex 12-12-2011 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmazda6 (Post 1162251)
Didn't... only for a month or two though. I was getting an AP though and then this happened..

The MS6s with the higher loads that can be generated by the AWD and the aggressive OEM tune often end up in this situation.

Let me ask you this - after you were cruising on the highway and you got on the throttle, did the car stutter at first and then take off? Was this something that happened the first time you got on the throttle and you couldn't replicate it unless you cruised for another 15+ minutes?

jbmazda6 12-12-2011 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex (Post 1162317)
The MS6s with the higher loads that can be generated by the AWD and the aggressive OEM tune often end up in this situation.

Let me ask you this - after you were cruising on the highway and you got on the throttle, did the car stutter at first and then take off? Was this something that happened the first time you got on the throttle and you couldn't replicate it unless you cruised for another 15+ minutes?

It happened when I initially bought the car, cel came on saying random misfire. Replaced the plugs with step colder plugs and the problem went away. Never hesitated again and the car pulled great. That's why I'm baffled

Lex 12-12-2011 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmazda6 (Post 1162709)
It happened when I initially bought the car, cel came on saying random misfire. Replaced the plugs with step colder plugs and the problem went away. Never hesitated again and the car pulled great. That's why I'm baffled

Often a slightly tweaked rod takes a while for it to finally yield.

Ckmazdaspeed3 12-12-2011 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex (Post 1162850)
Often a slightly tweaked rod takes a while for it to finally yield.

It had nothing to do with his random misfire code does it? Cuz I've gotten a random misfire code sporadically (actually all the time now in cold weather) on cold start ever since going eth and ported vct delete intake Mani. I've gotten the code for like 7 months.

Lex 12-12-2011 04:21 PM

A random misfire code can have many sources so that's hard to say. Heavy stuttering, esp at WOT and associated with heavy KR is what I would worry about.

troubled81 12-12-2011 04:41 PM

I can confirm that these cars car run great with a bent rod. The computer is REALLY good at masking the problem. I got lucky and found mine before i made a window.

A good tell that there is a problem is a big drop in timing. My car a WOT was running over -10°.

This info is too late to help you so i will just say i am sorry.

corypechon 12-12-2011 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ckmazdaspeed3 (Post 1162872)
It had nothing to do with his random misfire code does it? Cuz I've gotten a random misfire code sporadically (actually all the time now in cold weather) on cold start ever since going eth and ported vct delete intake Mani. I've gotten the code for like 7 months.

I had this problem in cold weather so bad I couldn't go over 5k. Fixed it with a set of itv22's and like a .28 -.30 gap. previous owner had some shitty autozone plugs gapped at like .51 in there. Hope the answer to yours is as simple as mine was.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUMBLEFISH (Post 1161944)
Who gives a shit about the cheap turbo that guy cooked the main bearings. Dude you now should demand a new engine and while your at it shake the hand of the warranty solutions guy. Maybe even give him a christmas present and consider yourself a lucky bastard. If your not comfortable confronting them since I don't know you get someone who is to go down and confront the dealer and the warranty guy. If you don't your a chump.

sry when i said they are replacing "it" i meant the engine. but now do i need a new turbo??

jbmazda6 12-12-2011 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troubled81 (Post 1162900)
I can confirm that these cars car run great with a bent rod. The computer is REALLY good at masking the problem. I got lucky and found mine before i made a window.

A good tell that there is a problem is a big drop in timing. My car a WOT was running over -10°.

This info is too late to help you so i will just say i am sorry.

Didn't get my hands on a monitoring device quite quick enough. Another reason it should be the first thing you buy... just a heads up to other people.

deadlandxtreme 12-19-2011 09:27 AM

2010 Blown!
 
2010 Mazdaspeed 3
18,500 miles at time of blow out.
Cylinder 1 punched a hole through the block and oil pan

Ran less than 15miles or so total before it blew.
See my detailed write up for all the info.
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...-my-car-99745/

cplensdorf 01-01-2012 01:00 PM

Well....my car is now in the zoom zoom boom category too! Car has been running perfect. Started up and drove about 1.5 miles. Light acceleration and shift from 1-2 probably around 3000 rpm and poof! Smoke and parts under the hood and oil all over the road. Here is what I have:

2007
98000 miles
Amzoil since new
CAI only mod

Now on to find a new engine. Not sure whether to go new short block or used low miler.

Doing research now.

cplensdorf 01-02-2012 06:24 PM

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So I started the tear down....looks like a TON of oil in all cylinders. Hole in side of front of block, looks like at cylinder 3. The oil is VERY thick, unlike the oil in the head which looks pretty good (Mobil1). I am having problems understanding how the oil ended up in every cylinder. Oil looks to be isolated to the engine side of the throttle body and it pooled after the engine went. It is only on the bottom of the pipe and hose, so I suspect it was not being sucked in thru the throttle body from the turbo and none is in the intercooler. The oil is consistent in the intake manifold and the EGR tube.

cplensdorf 01-02-2012 06:31 PM

Called around today to get some quotes on engines. Dealer quoted a long block and said it was a complete engine. Price was quite reasonable, all things considered. He was unsure what complete engine meant, but he said that the footnote said "complete assembly, no gaskets required". He was unsure how complete the assembly is. He is going to call Mazda tomorrow and inquire.

Anyone know what "complete assembly" means for a long block 2.3 from Mazda? Is it a typical long block? or will it have fuel rails and valve cover and oil pan, etc? Not sure how it will require no gaskets if it doesnt have manifolds on it?

Tokay444 01-02-2012 07:49 PM

Will likely have valve cover and oil pan. Probably both manifolds.
Probably won't have a turbo.
How do you direct link to a specific post on this forum?

Tokay444 01-02-2012 08:06 PM

So in your blowed up post, you said amsoil since new.
Then in your picture post, you said mobil1. ...?

Lex 01-02-2012 08:08 PM

Pretty sure oil choice had little to do with this.

cplensdorf 01-02-2012 08:42 PM

Sorry about the Amsoil confusion. I know the original owner and have receipts for oil changes for the first 55K. It was Amsoil. I have changed with Amsoil until the last oil change about 4K ago. It now has 98K. Just getting damn expensive to pay $85 for oil changes every month. Put about 3k each month on the car. Went with Mobil 1 just this last oil change. Dont think it had anything to do with it, just the oil that is in the manifold looks like trash. I have never seen anything like it. It is like molases. I wonder if is just because it got all mixed with coolant when the engine went it got all nasty. But it is marked different than that in the top of the head.


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