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Enki 12-01-2012 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 802MS3 (Post 1769673)
I've said this already, but FUCK THIS THREAD.

Its completely irrelevant and has been for years. Personally I think it should be closed.

Yep; the whole purpose was to figure out what the commonality between pops was. Now we know (mostly) so this is just ancient, painful history at this point.

jeffdevo 04-03-2013 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by junior96 (Post 1240181)
Well, after 3 months without my car, fighting with MEPP, they replaced my engine and turbo for a total price or 7800.00. I had to pay about 1100 of that but hey, got me a new engine. All I can say is keep all your reciepts cause that was the first thing they asked for even before they authorized diagnosis.

I will get my AP with my income tax to try an avoid this. Thanks to this forum and members in helping to steer me on how to approach MEPP!! Who says warrantys suck, just go in prepared!!

MY engine blew up this morning, VVT broke and dealer told me it affect the pistons and valves. Estmated cost 7800 for new engine and warranty.

Does this sound reasonable.

See signature for mods. I really want this car to last it is my daily driver. I use royal purple change every 4k miles.

also looking to buy an engine if you have any leads please let me know. I do have mazmart searching for me but they told me today they didn't see any inventory. any leads would be much appreciated.

Tokay444 04-04-2013 09:13 AM

Chain broke? Or vvt?

Tubescorcher 04-05-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffdevo (Post 1984827)
MY engine blew up this morning, VVT broke and dealer told me it affect the pistons and valves. Estmated cost 7800 for new engine and warranty.

Does this sound reasonable.

See signature for mods. I really want this car to last it is my daily driver. I use royal purple change every 4k miles.

also looking to buy an engine if you have any leads please let me know. I do have mazmart searching for me but they told me today they didn't see any inventory. any leads would be much appreciated.

Sorry to hear!!! I'm going through this as well. Mine Blew late January. Very cold out 5*! Normal driving 3rd gear around 3400rpm. Hypertech, CS TIP, Forge BOV, CS SRI. I got a brand new long block from Mazda in Delaware for $3350. $225 for a new oil pump. I was quoted at $1200 for labor. I'm thinking it will run more like $1500. So I'm around $5000 all in. They are also throwing on a CS OCC. $7800 seems steep for a stock motor. For that money you should be able to get a full build! My MS6 should be finished by next week. I really love this car but I'm scared now! It's my daily driver. I'm worried about the HT tune but have read this is very common in stock tune. I'm thinking the AP with a custom tune is the way to go to be safe. I don't want to go through this again!!!

btstarcher 04-05-2013 11:20 AM

IIRC the Hypertech tune adds lots of timing and runs crazy rich....

jeffdevo 04-05-2013 11:29 AM

I agree. Chain broke. I may dump the ht and stay stock... Waiting for estimate for repairs so I can review fully. 8000 also covers oil pan and coolant. I somehow my oil was low. It has never been low. I estimated shop time about 20 hours I am told....

mituc 04-05-2013 01:55 PM

Then it's not the tune... it's just one of the classic timing chain/VVT failures...

jeffdevo 04-05-2013 03:58 PM

Classic... This is the first time I heard of it, but argh

Tokay444 04-05-2013 04:38 PM

bad vvt and bad chain are independent of each other.

btstarcher 04-05-2013 05:34 PM

Why is the dealership involved at all? I mean if they're not covering the failure under warranty, why waste so much money? Just take it somewhere else or do the work yourself.

BT2010speed 05-12-2013 11:42 AM

I blew up about two weeks ago. Im a 2012.
Mods
Corksport- SRI TIH FMIC and catless Downpipe.
Forge- bypass valve
Ultimate racing catless 80mm Racepipe with 80mm Catback exhaust
KMD v2 Fuelpump internals.
Bosch 3 bar maps sensor
Grimmspeed EBCS in 2port mode
NGK 1 step colder plugs
JBR 80duro RMM

I turned a corner slow and at about 2500 rpm i throttled into a WOT pull in first gear and right around 3500-4000 rpm i shot a rod out the motor both front and back side.

Tune was my own targeting and hitting 21psi at 3500rpm to 4500rpm before tapering down to 17 by redline. Timing was at 2 degrees at 2 load at 3000rpm. However calc load was targeting 2.38 at 3000rpm in all gears except first. First gear was targeting 1.3 calc load at 3000 and tapering up to about 1.6 for more wheel spin control.
Currently in the process of stocking out before a visit to the dealer. Really need this to work. Supposedly my damage was done way in the past. I have run E85 maps with lots of timing in the 3000rpm range somewhere up around 6-7 degrees has been used in that area and i have had maps that have run 10 degrees at 4000 on 93 without KR. Anyways i have a Thread in nator new england with logs virtual dynos and maps that have been run on my car...dont use them if you look at them obviously.

alkqpozmn 06-07-2013 02:35 PM

i blew up my engine months back and threw 3 rods. all bent. put in k1 rods, wiseco piston bored 20 over. my question is, has anyone blown or bent a forged aftermarket rod?

atvfreek 06-07-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by alkqpozmn (Post 2103142)
i blew up my engine months back and threw 3 rods. all bent. put in k1 rods, wiseco piston bored 20 over. my question is, has anyone blown or bent a forged aftermarket rod?

Only one person that I know of has bent a forged rod. coolant got in the cylinder due to the head lifting which caused the failure

Edit: and obviously of what cld12pk mentioned happens, no built/forged rod is safe

cld12pk2go 06-07-2013 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by alkqpozmn (Post 2103142)
i blew up my engine months back and threw 3 rods. all bent. put in k1 rods, wiseco piston bored 20 over. my question is, has anyone blown or bent a forged aftermarket rod?

Yes it has happened. A bad tune or hydrolock will own any rod/piston combo.

alkqpozmn 06-08-2013 11:31 AM

makes sense. thanks! reason i ask is after breaking in the engine i did a few slight pulls and it all seemed fine. i do know that my turbo smart does need to be tuned and all that but last pull i did, i had a massive backfire and it sounded like it was up front. all boost pressure dropped and i thought that i developed the infamous clutch vibes again. did more boost pulls a bit later and no problems. at that time, absolutely no kr reading even at the loud pop. reading 0.00 degrees the whole way. no drop in mpg or any of that. just had a massive scare and just worried cause i have no clue what that pop was. any ideas? and what should i do to diagnose? compression test, leakdown test and verify measurement of my rods? or is there something i can log on my access port ?:grumble: car has solid mounts so there is always vibes on my pedals and i have a bsd. vibes on the clutch are the same as break pedal and gas pedal. to be honost i completely forget how the original clutch vibe was.

boost_is_gr8 07-05-2013 10:58 PM

also dealing with a blown motor from what i think.... coolant line ruptured due to how tight the CPE TIP fitting was.... my temp sensor went bad and blew a head gasket and my shit is seized up. opening her up tomorrow to see the full extent of the damage..... whos got a spare motor? got cash in hand!!!

ashman72 07-26-2013 04:43 PM

fuck u mazda
 
so I had a 2008 mazdaspeed 3 with a sure auros 3 sri +tip and a synapse dv and just yesterday I hit 79,563 miles my engine blew

second cylinder fuck u mazda that is bullshit

Lex 07-26-2013 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ashman72 (Post 2180092)
so I had a 2008 mazdaspeed 3 with a sure auros 3 sri +tip and a synapse dv and just yesterday I hit 79,563 miles my engine blew

second cylinder fuck u mazda that is bullshit

Sorry for your loss. Was it tuned? If it was running a 3" intake it needs a tune.

Enki 07-26-2013 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lex (Post 2180106)
Sorry for your loss. Was it tuned? If it was running a 3" intake it needs a tune.

If he managed to get the AP and HPFP internals he bid on here then yes he was tuned:
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...ml#post2143825

That's a pretty short window to blow a motor in.

ashman72 07-27-2013 05:06 PM

it was the si so the intake did not need tuning so bummed now selling the car

Tokay444 07-27-2013 05:51 PM

If it had a 3" maf, and wasn't no maf cal, it's safe to say that's why you blew.

btstarcher 07-28-2013 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ashman72 (Post 2181409)
it was the si so the intake did not need tuning so bummed now selling the car


Soooooo it was a Civic? That's the only reference to si I can think of. As has been pointed out, if you had a 3" MAF, you needed a tune.

ashman72 07-28-2013 06:32 PM

go on the sure motorsports web page look on intakes u will see a full 3 gt300 or the si i have the si i bought it so i did not have to tune my car

Tokay444 07-28-2013 06:34 PM

we don't go on sure's website, so i have no idea what an si is, but if it had a 3" maf housing, then it required at the very least, a maf calibration.

Etipp98 07-28-2013 06:39 PM

Si is the standard issue which requires no maf calibration. It is not a 3" ID.

Tokay444 07-28-2013 06:39 PM

ah
in his op he mentioned aeros 3 si penis eating.

Tomas 07-28-2013 10:00 PM

If you believe SU when they say no tuning required, you've embarked on a boat of fail regardless. Always sad when an engine blows but someone who comes here just to post that their horribly engineered engine blew without knowing fuck scrap and blaming Mazda invariably results on having to file this under Another Fucktwat Who Cries Like A Babyseal Being Slaughtered Because He Did Not Care To Understand What The Fuck He Was Doing And Dreamed About Being The Prom Queen.

Enki 07-28-2013 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomas (Post 2183034)
Another Fucktwat Who Cries Like A Babyseal Being Slaughtered Because He Did Not Care To Understand What The Fuck He Was Doing And Dreamed About Being The Prom Queen.

The abbreviation is AFWCLABSBSBHDNCTUWTFHWDADABTPQ or fagaids for short.

ms3blackmica 07-28-2013 11:22 PM

God I fucking love when @Tomas; rants!

Tokay444 07-29-2013 04:40 AM

@Fobio;
Post your blow, yo.

tinboi479 07-29-2013 04:17 PM

A lot of people blew their motor because they think its a civic it doesn't need tune

Tomas 07-29-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 2183230)
@Fobio;
Post your blow, yo.

Did he really or is this moar Canuc on Canuc gheyness?

Tokay444 07-30-2013 03:46 AM

I quote. "He hit 1.55 lateral g and starved a bearing. We're going dry sump."
Have fun with THAT.

mituc 07-30-2013 07:48 AM

And for how long does a car need to sustain 1.55g to starve a bearing FGS?!

Tomas 07-30-2013 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 2185024)
I quote. "He hit 1.55 lateral g and starved a bearing. We're going dry sump."
Have fun with THAT.

lulz.

Tokay444 07-30-2013 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mituc (Post 2185225)
And for how long does a car need to sustain 1.55g to starve a bearing FGS?!

We had better ask a gearhead.
@Fobio;? How long you hold 1.55g, fighter pilot?

stogi1knobi 08-02-2013 01:05 AM

this thread worries the fuc outta me... mines about to hit 120k. i suppose there is no simple way to inspect my engine without pulling it out. Damn so many blown engines. Would it make a huge difference to just put in forged rods/pistons?

himurax13 08-02-2013 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by stogi1knobi (Post 2190979)
this thread worries the fuc outta me... mines about to hit 120k. i suppose there is no simple way to inspect my engine without pulling it out. Damn so many blown engines. Would it make a huge difference to just put in forged rods/pistons?

Umm, there are a few ways to check your engine while it is still in the car.
1. Compression test
2. Leakdown test
3. Piston height test

Forged internals would be better than the stock internals but you might as well do a full rebuild.
Sent via blown passenger side speakers.

06mazda6 11-19-2013 11:31 PM

2006 mazdaspeed 6 one of 6000
 
Ok so my speed is skipping on cylender one and i think. it is the valves
i have a head from JD customs in mass but i have to go get it

i love tthis car and don't want to sell it but don't have anywere to do the work
the cain reccall was dun by mazda of keen. what a joke that was .
i live in ludlow vt if there is any other soeed lovers out there that can help me out with the swap
preferbly that has dun one before. i can do it but i am missing sertin tools do to me living in the car

tinboi479 11-19-2013 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 06mazda6 (Post 2348112)
Ok so my speed is skipping on cylender one and i think. it is the valves
i have a head from JD customs in mass but i have to go get it

i love tthis car and don't want to sell it but don't have anywere to do the work
the cain reccall was dun by mazda of keen. what a joke that was .
i live in ludlow vt if there is any other soeed lovers out there that can help me out with the swap
preferbly that has dun one before. i can do it but i am missing sertin tools do to me living in the car

Try looking for Nator members in your area?


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