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Broad Street Bully 09-14-2015 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by btstarcher (Post 2950262)
Who tuned it?

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Rt tuning in lansdale pa. I've had a tune on it for about 2 years from them and never had an issue.

btstarcher 09-14-2015 08:46 AM

Well I'd say there's an issue now lol

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Broad Street Bully 09-14-2015 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by btstarcher (Post 2950270)
Well I'd say there's an issue now lol

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Clearly.

Enki 09-14-2015 10:51 AM

How many Mazdas have they tuned? What kind of power was it putting down? Logs?

btstarcher 09-14-2015 11:28 AM

What boost/AFR/timing were you set at?

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Enki 09-16-2015 12:46 AM

My turn:

Ringland failure, unknown cylinder.
2009 MS3 (68,500 miles) on full E85 with 16 GPH meth at 10 PSI boost

Cause:
7500 RPM redline, all the timing and 400 WTQ on stock block.

Symptoms:

Amnesiac 09-16-2015 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Enki (Post 2813898)
I'm making close to 400 whp on stock block with >60k miles on it. UOA suggests there is very little engine wear happening, and everything is in good health.

Engine life expectancy is tied directly to the tune.

So what did you change in your tune to make this happen? Was it all the goading about 400hp that drove you to break something?

Enki 09-16-2015 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnesiac (Post 2951449)
So what did you change in your tune to make this happen? Was it all the goading about 400hp that drove you to break something?

I brought the torque up and the redline with it; both things I knew would impact longevity of the engine, but I wasn't expecting issues this soon.

Amnesiac 09-16-2015 01:45 AM

:( Interested to see what you do next. Hopefully you don't ditch your MS3 for the mystery project you've been mentioning.

Enki 09-16-2015 01:46 AM

Ditch? No. Sideline for a long time? Possibly.

Broad Street Bully 10-05-2015 04:33 PM

final prognosis - my motor basically grenaded. all 4 rods gone. 1 went through the block, the other 3 were found in the oil pan with coolant and bearings. 1 of the 3 leftover rods was sticking through another hole in the block. covered under warranty by mazda. new motor should be at the dealer in the next few days.

btstarcher 10-06-2015 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Broad Street Bully (Post 2960880)
final prognosis - my motor basically grenaded. all 4 rods gone. 1 went through the block, the other 3 were found in the oil pan with coolant and bearings. 1 of the 3 leftover rods was sticking through another hole in the block. covered under warranty by mazda. new motor should be at the dealer in the next few days.

Well since you deleted all your former posts all I can assume is that they were asinine and you got a shit tune from someone, and the tune and your driving habits are to blame. Surprised Mazda replaced it under warranty.

EDIT: @Raider; would it be possible to restore the posts he deleted? Since this is a reference for blown DISI motors, the information really should be available. Destroying all 4 rods is significant.

MS3Shadow 10-06-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by btstarcher (Post 2961228)
Well since you deleted all your former posts all I can assume is that they were asinine and you got a shit tune from someone, and the tune and your driving habits are to blame. Surprised Mazda replaced it under warranty.

i think it was RT tuning or something. i'm also surprised at that as well.

Raider 10-06-2015 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by btstarcher (Post 2961228)
Well since you deleted all your former posts all I can assume is that they were asinine and you got a shit tune from someone, and the tune and your driving habits are to blame. Surprised Mazda replaced it under warranty.

EDIT: @Raider; would it be possible to restore the posts he deleted? Since this is a reference for blown DISI motors, the information really should be available. Destroying all 4 rods is significant.

No reason to delete them, so they are restored.

Insiatent 12-18-2015 09:04 PM

I have not seen much genpu in here, are they really less likely to go zzb?

Raider 12-19-2015 03:25 AM

No. It's just over the years, people have found what can make em go boom and to not do it.

MD1032 12-19-2015 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Broad Street Bully (Post 2950265)
Rt tuning in lansdale pa. I've had a tune on it for about 2 years from them and never had an issue.

I know RT Tuning's maps are unlocked. Mind posting it here? I want to see what settings they were using. Also list your mods if you have time, or at the very least confirm whether you're stock EBCS/turbo.

I've been to RT Tuning before and did a little business with them and they are douchebags and completely overpriced. However jamesr242, local nator to me, was tuned by them years ago and hasn't had any issues, so I haven't been able to condemn their work yet.

jamesr242 12-19-2015 03:16 PM

Yeah, I've been tuned by RT Tuning for over 3 years and haven't had any problems (knocks on wood). Bolted with KO4 targeting about 18-19psi and dyno'd (on their probably somewhat happy dyno) about 305hp/325tq. My tune was done by a dude named Andy. Not sure if he's still there or not. They are "Cobb Certified" for tuning mazdaspeeds if that means anything. They told me that had done quite a few before I had mine done.

ZZB could be completely coincidental so I wouldn't point fingers yet. Also, since you had someone else install the mods perhaps they didn't do that right? Who knows

blackms3_71 12-19-2015 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Broad Street Bully (Post 2960880)
final prognosis - my motor basically grenaded. all 4 rods gone. 1 went through the block, the other 3 were found in the oil pan with coolant and bearings. 1 of the 3 leftover rods was sticking through another hole in the block. covered under warranty by mazda. new motor should be at the dealer in the next few days.


Holy hell. Wot at 1k in 5th? Haha never heard of this much damage.

Oxi 06-25-2016 08:35 PM

I was driving my 2007 MS3 up on the hills. I had done an oil change earlier, but as I was screwing the black oil cartridge filter on, the gasket must have failed. I did not see this at the time.

All the oil dripped out and at one stage the car made a sound as though a plastic market had been trapped under it. Oil light came on, engine was killed immediately by turning it off.

Oil was topped up again, but engine would not turn over. Battery etc is fine.

There was approximately 3-5s between the noise and the engine being cut.

Just finished my last exam for my degree, and blew the engine on the same day. Very sad :(

I live in NZ, this engine is not the most common thing here, and I am wondering if going for a rebuild would be a better idea than trying to track down a new engine for it. Inspection of the engine and replacement of the damaged parts.

Samcali148 09-24-2016 10:01 PM

HELP!!
 
Hello everyone! I am new to this forum and I don't know if I'm doing this right but I need help fixing the love of my life. She's a 2006 mazdaspeed 6 and I blew her up. Does anyone know where I can find a new engine? Thank you guys!!

mituc 09-24-2016 10:59 PM

Let me google that for you

Orion Speed 07-02-2017 02:07 PM

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Thread digging here, but seems like the right place. For your enjoyment. Stock minus AP w/Stage 1 tune, JBR intake, and BSD. Went out in 1st gear at around 5000rpm during a WOT pull.

mituc 07-03-2017 09:39 AM

Why did it blow in 1st? Thinking back I now realise a lot of engines blew in 1st and 2nd gears.

Orion Speed 07-03-2017 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mituc (Post 3121088)
Why did it blow in 1st? Thinking back I now realise a lot of engines blew in 1st and 2nd gears.

Trying to figure out the same thing. Might have something to do with 155K miles.

DrieadDragoon 09-22-2017 08:46 AM

Car: 2008 Mazdaspeed 3 Grand Touring. *113000 Miles*
Cylinder: 4
Damage: Rod broke off just below the piston head or knuckle, starting from the top cut a line or hole through block *from back side of engine to thensure front and stopped at top rear. Near clean cut and blew hole out the bottom of oil pan and also some how took out the starter.* tore it off the the block.
RPM: 1st gear around 3000-3500 rpms.
Mods: Short ram cold air intake, stock boost with some change, and had a air line to turbo mod but did not know of it till after some time of purchase of the car.*2 weeks before event*
Exhaust Manifold: Stock
Situation: I had no warning, I had just finished a road trip to a hiking place*100 miles or so for round trip* and was dropping off a friend. I had begun to turn from a stop and as I accelerated *1st gear around during 3000-3500 rpms a loud noise and then yeah boom.* no real hard driving was done that day for the road trip.
Warranty: out side of warranty sadly.* by like 3-4 months too.
Oil: full synthetic 5w30.
**** I'll add pictures soon. In process of getting the engine out of the car.

NeoKraSH 02-03-2018 12:30 AM

NeoKraSH Mazdaspeedforums
Car; 2011 Mazdaspeed 3 with 61000 miles
Cylinder; ??
Damage; Piston punched hole in motor
RPM; ??
Mods; AP Stratified Tuned E85, JBR SRI, JBR TIP, COBB DP, AutoTech Internals, 51R EverStart Maxx
Exhaust Manifold; Stock
Situation; 4th gear acceleration onto freeway followed by ZZB then CEL + Oil Light
Warranty; Probably not
Oil; Shell Rotella T6

Hunts_ms3 02-22-2018 12:56 AM

Can anyone help or has had this problem in my Speed3 08 when I go wide open throttle (wot) it I get like a stutter,my boost still builds but it’s like backfiring at same time but if I ease into the the throttle I have no problems do you know what this could be I just put new fuel pump internals in Autotech but I was thinking maybe injectiors/seals. I replaced one of my faulty coil pack could it be another one or like clutch, or maybe some tuning issue it’s has brand new bnr s4 turbo full 3inch exhaust with, catless Downpipe, full-race turbo manifold , and 3.5 intake , then Cobb v2, all the supporting mods

Thanks

JSmith 02-22-2018 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Hunts_ms3 (Post 3139609)
Can anyone help or has had this problem in my Speed3 08 when I go wide open throttle (wot) it I get like a stutter,my boost still builds but it’s like backfiring at same time but if I ease into the the throttle I have no problems do you know what this could be I just put new fuel pump internals in Autotech but I was thinking maybe injectiors/seals. I replaced one of my faulty coil pack could it be another one or like clutch, or maybe some tuning issue it’s has brand new bnr s4 turbo full 3inch exhaust with, catless Downpipe, full-race turbo manifold , and 3.5 intake , then Cobb v2, all the supporting mods

Thanks

Make a new thread. You are off topic in this one.

MazdaspeedYates 08-31-2018 09:45 PM

Wondering if anyone still uses this thread. I have a bad knock coming from the engine when cruising. No knock at idle, breaking, or acceleration. I only hear the knock when I let off the throttle. is this a sign my engine is going bad?

2011 Mazdaspeed 3
CS SRI+TIP
CS non-resonated Cat Back
CS RMM

Hunts_ms3 09-01-2018 02:53 AM

Honestly bro take to a good shop get it checked out. Turned out I had my head was completely fucked so ended up rebuilding top and bottom end. Better off to get checked then end blowing up motor which almost happed to me

mituc 09-01-2018 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MazdaspeedYates (Post 3150043)
Wondering if anyone still uses this thread. I have a bad knock coming from the engine when cruising. No knock at idle, breaking, or acceleration. I only hear the knock when I let off the throttle. is this a sign my engine is going bad?

I don't think so, but it can be many things: dual mass flywheel or anything clutch related, axles, and so on. Or can be the main bearings as well if you used the engine with not enough oil in it or if your OCIs are too long.

So take your car to a shop and get it checked.

mituc 02-14-2019 01:44 PM

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Recently we had a motor letting go out of the blue. There was absolutely no sign of it having any sort of issue, the engine was sounding well and the logs were showing everything was perfect.

The owner did not open the engine yet, it's going to be a bit expensive. The engine let go during a pull to produce a set of logs for what it was supposed to be the last revision of that tune.
GTX2867R gen2, Ultimate racing V3 catted DP and catted&resonated TP were installed one day earlier.

The detonation sound at second 12-13 in the following video clip corresponds to the beginning of the KR trail at line 73 in the attached log.

Did anyone have a motor fail suddenly without any sign, and smidge of knock, everything in check (load, boost, AFR)?

The only thing that worth mentioning is that this log was the first one after a 40-50 minutes break following the first logging session with a tune closer to stock values (300g/s of air, max load 2.05-2.1 in mid range). 3 people in the car including the driver, so around 6 seconds for 60-100mph sounds about right for the air flow and timing we see in the logs which indicate there was no significant compression drops or leak downs. Oil was fresh too, 200 miles on it, 0w40 ACEA A3/B4 (Millers).

The engine was running solely on pump gas, 95OCT/101RON with 8-10% Ethanol content (E10).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIbKh_Fqh7E

yomamasalizard 03-01-2019 08:25 AM

2012 MS3, 86k miles, intake and boost tube, threw rod through the block on cylinder #3 , problem was loss of oil pressure due to rupture of gasket connecting the oil filter housing to engine block. Junkyard engine replacement cost $3500 total at RWR in Kernersville NC.

liamsms6 05-08-2019 01:50 PM

Engine replacement
 
Hi this is my first post, I'm new to the forum and tuner community.

I got a 07 MS6 (195xxx kms/ 121xxx miles) back in febuary 2019 recently damaged the bottom end (loud knock) me and my mechanic determined the con rod bearings went, I'm split on buying a new engine with turbo or trying to rebuild this one.
we believe the knock started from blowing the KO4 ofc then not being careful and driving it still like a tard, running engine dry and burnt blowing the bottom end.

I came across a used CX-7 engine with 50xxx miles on it for $3400 cad shipped. I cant find anywhere that says it's ok to use this engine in a MS6

Anyone can give me advice on what to do it means alot

Taking engine out today to access full damage to bottom end.

-Thanks, Liam.:darth:

Db09ms3 05-08-2019 03:13 PM

Google it doober

liamsms6 05-08-2019 04:38 PM

I tried to. nothin helpful out there :(

Db09ms3 05-08-2019 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by liamsms6 (Post 3162371)
I tried to. nothin helpful out there :(

Jesus man, put this in google: cx7 engine in mazdaspeed

Help yourself. How you word things in google makes a difference. Don't know what you typed but it likely wasn't that.

mituc 05-11-2019 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by liamsms6 (Post 3162359)
I came across a used CX-7 engine with 50xxx miles on it for $3400 cad shipped. I cant find anywhere that says it's ok to use this engine in a MS6

These engines are the same. You can use an engine from a CX7, from a gen2 speed, gen1 speed, whatever. Same engine, same block, same mounting point, same stamping.
Same for the manual gearboxes, you can swap them around no problem.

I'd rebuild with 4032 alloy pistons though. But that's just me.

5doorsoffury 05-11-2019 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by liamsms6 (Post 3162371)
I tried to. nothin helpful out there :(

I have seen more effort done when my 2yr old tries not to eat with there hands then you have before typing this fucking comment. Google had nothing helpful?? Type mazdapeed and the word engine and you can read for hours.... Tell me were you born with lead paint in your mouth or were you fed that by your autistic mother....


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