Mazdaspeed 3 2009 - need help fixing issues - fully built engine

[S3BAZ1091]

Lol yeah im sorry stupid auto correct. Im at work. And hmm ima see who can lend me thier house, bc money wise im extremly broke..

[dereeek]

Originally Posted by Constantin Shit...your cell phone typing sucks! Try looking for a place where we can all meet (besides the RMM install). You can even try to negotiate a rend of a warehouse somewhere for a weekend... The place for the next install/research day is crucial aspect at this time... @dereeek you back home yet?

No sir, I will be for Thanksgiving though.

[S3BAZ1091]

Yeah ima check around were we could do this. Just dont know anyone with a house or anything like that..

[Constantin]

What did you pay for the car, if you don't mind me asking...

BTW, make detailed pics!

[aviator79]

Just find a public parking garage (as in free) and work on it there. Or look in craigslist for a storage place to work on it. And get a rental car. $200 a week.
Where are you located?
I would think first thing is to do a compression test. Then find the vacuume leak that is fucking up your tune. Actully Ive no idea as I didnt even look at the data log and wouldnt know how to read it anyways.

[S3BAZ1091]

Detailed pics of what and $23k and rental car? Im broke. I dont have any money

[aviator79]

Jubus.

[adlpb]

Originally Posted by S3BAZ1091 Detailed pics of what and $23k and rental car? Im broke. I dont have any money

Sorry to put it to you this way, but you don't buy a 425whp (or whatever he told you) fully built car when you are broke. Especially a car that you didn't build yourself. I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but any repair of a car at this stage will probably cost you. We can help you out, but an engine simply cannot be taken apart and put together in one day - not by us. So you have to realize that you won't be able to drive your car while this is being done. And like I said, we are available on sporadic hours on weekends.

We should start by setting a typical "install day" to try and diagnose surface-level issues. Then take it from there.

[S3BAZ1091]

so i took a small log right now omw home. il upload it. i did it in 3rd gear stayed til 6k rpm for about 10sec then went into 4th

[S3BAZ1091]

well how many days are we talking about not being able to drive my car? if its just a weekend then i can use my moms in the mean time. i attached a data log i just took idk if it might be usefull. and yeah i understand that now. trust me i learned my lesson. idk if its just better off trading it in then..

[Don06speed6]

I have no way to look at the log on my phone but you really need to search and get these guys @rfinkle2 and @atvfreek a solid log so they can see what's up. Otherwise its just big pile of crap for them to go through.

[adlpb]

Maybe they can explain a bit what the hell is going on with your wastegate. I'm guessing it's just a bad tune. It goes from 99% to 0 and still holds 18-20psi. But the log is looking a lot better knock-wise. And you're not running as lean as you were in the previous one.

My recommendation is to get with one of the guys here and have them give you a proper base map for a tune. If you are still having problems with any of the parameters let us know and we'll help you out.

[S3BAZ1091]

who would be able to help me out with that?

[adlpb]

Originally Posted by S3BAZ1091 who would be able to help me out with that?

With the tune? Like above, @rfinkle2, @atvfreek, @Bucker, @Lex and many others.

As for local help goes with parts, any of the NATOR FL guys around the area including myself.

[jack_hammer]

dude, your shit is so fucked. here's the situation:

1) your car has problems. and you don't know a lot of details about your car. that means that whoever fixes your car is going to first do all sorts of fact finding. that means a lot of time spent without your car. if it's in a shop or in a storage unit, you're going to need alternative transportation for an indefinite time period.

2) your car has a lot of expensive aftermarket parts on it. those frequently require expensive aftermarket parts when making repairs.

3) this is advanced level stuff here. you need to be able to do the majority of the work yourself (requiring knowledge, tools, and a place to do the work) or you need to be able to pay someone lots of money to do it all for you.

4) you sound like you are lacking alternative transportation, the knowledge to repair it, the tools to repair it, the space to repair it, and the funds to pay someone to do it for you.

my advice is this: you need to find a way to acquire what you're missing, or you need a different car.

good luck.

<edit>
did it ever occur to you that the guy sold it b/c it was a big fucking headache and he had no idea what he was doing?

[S3BAZ1091]

Originally Posted by adlpb With the tune? Like above, @rfinkle2, @atvfreek, @Bucker, @Lex and many others. As for local help goes with parts, any of the NATOR FL guys around the area including myself.

would you be willing to help and just take a glance at the car etc? and maybe help me with my rmm?

Originally Posted by broncojd78 dude, your shit is so fucked. here's the situation: 1) your car has problems. and you don't know a lot of details about your car. that means that whoever fixes your car is going to first do all sorts of fact finding. that means a lot of time spent without your car. if it's in a shop or in a storage unit, you're going to need alternative transportation for an indefinite time period. 2) your car has a lot of expensive aftermarket parts on it. those frequently require expensive aftermarket parts when making repairs. 3) this is advanced level stuff here. you need to be able to do the majority of the work yourself (requiring knowledge, tools, and a place to do the work) or you need to be able to pay someone lots of money to do it all for you. 4) you sound like you are lacking alternative transportation, the knowledge to repair it, the tools to repair it, the space to repair it, and the funds to pay someone to do it for you. my advice is this: you need to find a way to acquire what you're missing, or you need a different car. good luck. <edit> did it ever occur to you that the guy sold it b/c it was a big fucking headache and he had no idea what he was doing?

well thanks and yeah i learned my lesson but as for being my first turbo car didnt really think it would need so much attention to it.

and not really. car seems fine. runs good. no lags etc. and he was always being supportive when i asked him for help. ima see how much i could trade in for and maybe just get a stock speed or sti or evo.. idk... =/

[adlpb]

Originally Posted by S3BAZ1091 would you be willing to help and just take a glance at the car etc? and maybe help me with my rmm? well thanks and yeah i learned my lesson but as for being my first turbo car didnt really think it would need so much attention to it. and not really. car seems fine. runs good. no lags etc. and he was always being supportive when i asked him for help. ima see how much i could trade in for and maybe just get a stock speed or sti or evo.. idk... =/

If you're willing to drive to Boca, yes. I can help you this Saturday, I work on weekdays.

And if you do plan on trading in, I'd reconsider your financial situation first. If you want a high performance car you have to be ready to spend money. Especially if you plan on modding it.

[S3BAZ1091]

well this saturday i gotta go back to Alejos house to give him back his rear wheels since he lend them to me cause i was in a car accident which caused my tire to pop and my spare went out on me this sat so he lend me his protege tires. he lives in miami gardens i used to work in boca so i dont mind. what would be a good time?

and as for car payment. i mean im already paying an arm and a leg. for this car. and il get a new one without any issues while i get a better job so i can start modding it

[dereeek]

Originally Posted by S3BAZ1091 would you be willing to help and just take a glance at the car etc? and maybe help me with my rmm? well thanks and yeah i learned my lesson but as for being my first turbo car didnt really think it would need so much attention to it. and not really. car seems fine. runs good. no lags etc. and he was always being supportive when i asked him for help. ima see how much i could trade in for and maybe just get a stock speed or sti or evo.. idk... =/

So part out? or trade with the mods on it?

I have a stock k04 and some other stock parts. I can sell you if you really need them, or we can trade turbo's plus money.

[aviator79]

Stock it out and trade it in and be prepared to take a loss.

[S3BAZ1091]

well trade in with mods, cause like i said money wise right now not too good. trying to find a better job. KBB value is 16k

[adlpb]

Originally Posted by S3BAZ1091 well this saturday i gotta go back to Alejos house to give him back his rear wheels since he lend them to me cause i was in a car accident which caused my tire to pop and my spare went out on me this sat so he lend me his protege tires. he lives in miami gardens i used to work in boca so i dont mind. what would be a good time? and as for car payment. i mean im already paying an arm and a leg. for this car. and il get a new one without any issues while i get a better job so i can start modding it

Saturday anytime from 11-7ish is good for me

[btstarcher]

Trading it in with mods you'll get maybe $14k. Stock it out, probably $16k. Plus you'll get $$ for selling the goodies. You won't be coming out ahead, but you won't be as far behind.

[adlpb]

Originally Posted by S3BAZ1091 well trade in with mods, cause like i said money wise right now not too good. trying to find a better job. KBB value is 16k

You're going to take at the least a $8000 loss since you will never get KBB value on a trade in. Might as well part out as much as you can and get some money back. NATOR FL is an expert entity when it comes to partouts.

[S3BAZ1091]

sounds good. il PM my fb , and well thing is i dont have any stock parts. so in order to stock it out i would have to spend money. which like ive stated i have none.. ima go later on see what offers i can get or w.e if not then guess find the issue with the car and fix it. you never know it might just be a bad tune or a small dumb issue. gotta be positive lol

[dereeek]

Originally Posted by S3BAZ1091 well trade in with mods, cause like i said money wise right now not too good. trying to find a better job. KBB value is 16k

Nonono do not do that.
I'll give you some of my stock parts just so you can get some cash back. I have everything from the turbo to the motor mounts. That is, if you decided to part out.

[S3BAZ1091]

really appreciate. id have to go see first, see if any of the guys here can help me with a tune and etc see if thats the issue or w.e then il just decide from on there. =/

[G26]

KBB does not apply in this case. Stocking it out as much as can be and getting rid of it would be ur best bet. And then STAYING away from cars such as used evos/stis needs to happen.

Originally Posted by S3BAZ1091 well this saturday i gotta go back to Alejos house to give him back his rear wheels since he lend them to me cause i was in a car accident which caused my tire to pop and my spare went out on me this sat so he lend me his protege tires. he lives in miami gardens i used to work in boca so i dont mind. what would be a good time? and as for car payment. i mean im already paying an arm and a leg. for this car. and il get a new one without any issues while i get a better job so i can start modding it

Don't even be thinking about modding until you learn how turbo cars work. Matter of fact, with the hit you will probably take on this one, you should be looking at used aveos.

Originally Posted by S3BAZ1091 really appreciate. id have to go see first, see if any of the guys here can help me with a tune and etc see if thats the issue or w.e then il just decide from on there. =/

Its not only the tune, we have no idea if the motor was even built correctly.

Btw, Adam was really helpful because he finally found someone to unload his pos on.

You would be able to make some money back selling the turbo, and other parts on it (ap/intake fuel pump etc etc). And get the stock parts back on, and hopefully no one at carmax would know about the motor.

But, as you said lets see if a tune will help it out.

[adlpb]

Originally Posted by S3BAZ1091 sounds good. il PM my fb , and well thing is i dont have any stock parts. so in order to stock it out i would have to spend money. which like ive stated i have none.. ima go later on see what offers i can get or w.e if not then guess find the issue with the car and fix it. you never know it might just be a bad tune or a small dumb issue. gotta be positive lol

Ok, just let me know what time saturday

[rfinkle2]

I'll throw my 2 cents in here with the most important thing being 1st..

STOP DOING WOT LOGS (PLEASE) until you are sure your tune and hardware are sound.

If you think that you may have jumped the gun and made an expensive mistake by buying the car, think ahead 10 seconds as to what position you will be in if the motor pops.

I think Bronco and the guys make a good point when they say that it will be a struggle to keep this car if it is a DD, you don't have the tools or place to work on it, and would have to aquire the knowledge to fix things on the fly.

I don't think stocking out is the answer either though. I have to think that someone would buy this car with a built motor who realizes the value of it and has the means to work on it, etc. It is just an opinion, but I don't know anyone who would buy the car without the hardware that is on it now after knowing it has a built motor. It needs much of what is installed to function, be driven.

DJ bought a very similar car from another member in this situation not too long ago. If the car is in good working order, you may be able to strike a deal with someone on here who'd be willing to take a look @ it and be interested in buying it.

If you want, send me the map to rfinkle2.atr@comcast.net and I'll make sure you have a map you can drive on until you can figure out what route you want to take.

[Raider]

^Listen to Finkle.

I think telling the guy to sell the car is not the right answer. However, I think the OP should be VIP to get free tuning help from a vendor.

[adlpb]

I'll take a look at the car and condition when I do the RMM this weekend.

Velocity Factor is known for installing parts incorrectly, especially on MS3's. So far I have seen 3 cases directly linked to installer error on their part. One of them caused the car to be stranded in the highway. So the possibility of something going wrong in an engine build is not impossible, especially considering they only have one certified mechanic who is part-time. The rest are high school grads trying to get some experience. Hell, even the owner Felipe has left a BPV hose lying under the intercooler - blaming the owner/car when it was brought back.

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by adlpb I'll take a look at the car and condition when I do the RMM this weekend. Velocity Factor is known for installing parts incorrectly, especially on MS3's. So far I have seen 3 cases directly linked to installer error on their part. One of them caused the car to be stranded in the highway. So the possibility of something going wrong in an engine build is not impossible, especially considering they only have one certified mechanic who is part-time. The rest are high school grads trying to get some experience. Hell, even the owner Felipe has left a BPV hose lying under the intercooler - blaming the owner/car when it was brought back.

You are a saint Alvaro... very nice of you and I hope the OP realizes that is a huge help to him.

I think it would be great if the OP could track down the name of the engine builder and get some of the info as to what is inside the motor.

You guys don't have a reputable shop in FL?

If the engine was builit by a reputable builder, the OP may be able to slide by using an evo / subaru / performance shop etc. if they would be willing to do minor repairs etc.

[adlpb]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 You are a saint Alvaro... very nice of you and I hope the OP realizes that is a huge help to him. I think it would be great if the OP could track down the name of the engine builder and get some of the info as to what is inside the motor. You guys don't have a reputable shop in FL? If the engine was builit by a reputable builder, the OP may be able to slide by using an evo / subaru / performance shop etc. if they would be willing to do minor repairs etc.

Velocity Factor unfortunately was the one who built the engine. He is trying to get a hold of Adam (previous owner) to see what internals were installed exactly. I highly doubt VF will give him any reliable info, especially since he declined paying $1600 for meth and a tune.

It's a shame that the only reputable shops around here are muscle car shops. There's a couple very well-known shops in my area who work on Mustangs, like Blow By Racing. AWD Motorsports does great work on evos, but I don't think they have much knowledge on MS3's. IMO, if I was making an engine build with a Mazda and had no time to do it myself, I would make the drive to Cobb in TX. I wouldn't trust anyone else around here.

[Constantin]

@S3BAZ1091 IMO you shouldn't jump the gun and trade it in or part out....we had to many part outs here recently...in any case you will loose more money.

As you are saying, the car seem to be fine now. So, listen you @rfinkle2 and DON'T go WOT....just take it easy....

I am by far not expert, but I seems like most of issues can be fixed here with help of NATOR remembers, including myself. At lest making sure the car is OF for DD, and then you can take your time and fixing anything that is needed to be able to use 100% of its capacity.
@adlpb, I think I can come by this Saturday as well. Bring my tools if needed. We can write down what OP has installed on the car.

However, why don't we do a Install Day: http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...delete-123594/

We have @speeed with coilovers, that might be able to lend his warehouse.... @lobito08speed with valve cleaning + seems to have space for install day. @Ms3_Miami with OCC....

I say we do it in one shot ether at @speeed's warehouse, if available or at @lobito08speed house.

[jack_hammer]

Originally Posted by S3BAZ1091 car seems fine. runs good. no lags etc.

no, No, NO, NO!! if that car was fine and ran good, you wouldn't have this thread. also, you wouldn't have put this in the OP.

Originally Posted by S3BAZ1091 he found out by some logs we took that " wgdc is maxed at only 22psi, ur wot afr was all over the place, u had knock over 3* during wot" which he stated wasnt normal and something was wrong with my car.

i hope it's mostly a mechanical / install error type of problem. but don't kid yourself here... your car has problems and needs help.

and when your car has problems and needs help, if you must drive it, go EXTREMELY easy on it. you seem like you are pretty clueless, so let me be sure you're clear on something. you can easily fuck up and put a connecting rod through your block. that would require you purchase a new block and rebuilding the engine. so you definitely don't want to do that.

so, until someone looks at it and give you the clearance, you are best served to stay out of the throttle.

also, like raider said, scrounge up a few bucks and donate.

[Bucker]

NATOR FL, you guys are awesome. I am really impressed with how helpful you are all being! I contacted OP and am going to look over the tune portion of the car to see if there is anything that I can do from there to keep it going!

[S3BAZ1091]

Originally Posted by G26 KBB does not apply in this case. Stocking it out as much as can be and getting rid of it would be ur best bet. And then STAYING away from cars such as used evos/stis needs to happen. Don't even be thinking about modding until you learn how turbo cars work. Matter of fact, with the hit you will probably take on this one, you should be looking at used aveos. Its not only the tune, we have no idea if the motor was even built correctly. Btw, Adam was really helpful because he finally found someone to unload his pos on. You would be able to make some money back selling the turbo, and other parts on it (ap/intake fuel pump etc etc). And get the stock parts back on, and hopefully no one at carmax would know about the motor. But, as you said lets see if a tune will help it out.

yeah well ofcourse id learn before modding, but rather have a brand new stock car , learn and then start modding but lets see if anyone can find the issue hopefully.

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 I'll throw my 2 cents in here with the most important thing being 1st.. STOP DOING WOT LOGS (PLEASE) until you are sure your tune and hardware are sound. If you think that you may have jumped the gun and made an expensive mistake by buying the car, think ahead 10 seconds as to what position you will be in if the motor pops. I think Bronco and the guys make a good point when they say that it will be a struggle to keep this car if it is a DD, you don't have the tools or place to work on it, and would have to aquire the knowledge to fix things on the fly. I don't think stocking out is the answer either though. I have to think that someone would buy this car with a built motor who realizes the value of it and has the means to work on it, etc. It is just an opinion, but I don't know anyone who would buy the car without the hardware that is on it now after knowing it has a built motor. It needs much of what is installed to function, be driven. DJ bought a very similar car from another member in this situation not too long ago. If the car is in good working order, you may be able to strike a deal with someone on here who'd be willing to take a look @ it and be interested in buying it. If you want, send me the map to rfinkle2.atr@comcast.net and I'll make sure you have a map you can drive on until you can figure out what route you want to take.

well thing is im still financing this car, and i just got it back in december, and what i still owe theyre better off buying a new ms3 stock. so idk. =/. and ok il send it over right now! thank you!

[S3BAZ1091]

Originally Posted by Raider ^Listen to Finkle. I think telling the guy to sell the car is not the right answer. However, I think the OP should be VIP to get free tuning help from a vendor.

thank you, that would be amaizing!

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 You are a saint Alvaro... very nice of you and I hope the OP realizes that is a huge help to him. I think it would be great if the OP could track down the name of the engine builder and get some of the info as to what is inside the motor. You guys don't have a reputable shop in FL? If the engine was builit by a reputable builder, the OP may be able to slide by using an evo / subaru / performance shop etc. if they would be willing to do minor repairs etc.

yes alvaro i really appreciate his help and ALL of you here for the great help. cant thank you guys enough with the support and effort in willing to help me out! :friday:

Originally Posted by adlpb Velocity Factor unfortunately was the one who built the engine. He is trying to get a hold of Adam (previous owner) to see what internals were installed exactly. I highly doubt VF will give him any reliable info, especially since he declined paying $1600 for meth and a tune. It's a shame that the only reputable shops around here are muscle car shops. There's a couple very well-known shops in my area who work on Mustangs, like Blow By Racing. AWD Motorsports does great work on evos, but I don't think they have much knowledge on MS3's. IMO, if I was making an engine build with a Mazda and had no time to do it myself, I would make the drive to Cobb in TX. I wouldn't trust anyone else around here.

yeah i went over AWD about 3 months ago but i asked if they tunned MS3s they said no.

[Raider]

@S3BAZ1091, click link #3 in my sig and go VIP for $25 a year, ok?