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RogerH 10-09-2013 05:37 PM

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For what its worth here is a pic of the piston in the block, the head and the spark plugs from #3 and #4

himurax13 10-09-2013 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lex (Post 2290482)
^ That is melted - clearly way too much heat in that motor or a failed injector.

Is there an economical way to get the injectors tested and cleaned?

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hnda etr 10-09-2013 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by himurax13 (Post 2290588)
Is there an economical way to get the injectors tested and cleaned?

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Injector RX is the only place I know of that does DI injector cleaning/testing. Fuel Injector Cleaning, Servicing and Flow Testing - Injector RX

RC Engineering STILL doesn't do DI Injectors.

We'll be sending mine off to Injector RX for testing to see if #1 injector is cause of this fail.

RogerH 10-09-2013 06:48 PM

I had injector rx clean mine.

phate 10-09-2013 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerH (Post 2290608)
I had injector rx clean mine.

We have had two locals send suspected bad injectors to injector rx that came back as "good". As soon as they went back into the engine, they were found to be bad and were replaced. [Which fixed the issue.] They aren't able to test at operating pressure, which is probably the issue.

hnda etr 10-09-2013 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by phate (Post 2290618)
We have had two locals send suspected bad injectors to injector rx that came back as "good". As soon as they went back into the engine, they were found to be bad and were replaced. [Which fixed the issue.] They aren't able to test at operating pressure, which is probably the issue.

Good point... their site does say they only test at (73 psi / 5 bar) and not the 1800 we need lol...

slw97 10-10-2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Lex (Post 2288143)
What were the modifications installed and tune?

BEFORE BT:

M2 Catless DP
AutoTech FP internals
COBB SRI/TIP
CPE CBE
TurboSmart 50/50

Tune: It was just a base tune with afr/throttle adjustments done to it, nothing special at all. commanding 11.6 at WOT.

himurax13 10-10-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hnda etr (Post 2290620)
Good point... their site does say they only test at (73 psi / 5 bar) and not the 1800 we need lol...

So, we might as well dip the injectors in B-12 chemtool then?

slw97 10-10-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by himurax13 (Post 2291666)
So, we might as well dip the injectors in B-12 chemtool then?

That is what we did with the injectors, just to clean them the best we could.

atvfreek 10-10-2013 02:41 PM

Seems like more melted pistons come from cali. Probabaly a result of shit gas, and running lean on OTS maps. Recipe for pre-ignition.

RogerH 10-10-2013 02:46 PM

Cali gas is terrible. I'm glad e85 stations are starting to pop up more frequently out here.

himurax13 10-10-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by atvfreek (Post 2291801)
Seems like more melted pistons come from cali. Probabaly a result of shit gas, and running lean on OTS maps. Recipe for pre-ignition.

Yeah that's why I have been running a e85 mix for 8,000 miles now.

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mrQQ 02-04-2014 07:00 AM

Hi guys,

I would like to ask you, who have rebuilt the motors with cracked ringlands, how badly was the bore damaged? Was it ok and honing was enough, or did you need boring it out? Essentially, did you stay with 87.5 pistons or did you need to go bigger?

Thanks.

atvfreek 02-04-2014 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mrQQ (Post 2439877)
Hi guys,

I would like to ask you, who have rebuilt the motors with cracked ringlands, how badly was the bore damaged? Was it ok and honing was enough, or did you need boring it out? Essentially, did you stay with 87.5 pistons or did you need to go bigger?

Thanks.

The ones I have seen, the bores were fine. However, I would probably just have it over bored, as the bores are usually out of round if the engine has any sort of miles on it. Cost for overbore and hone is usually only about 250. But then milling the head, inspecting the block etc, usually add a little more on top of that.

mrQQ 02-04-2014 09:22 AM

Hm, i've read other opinions, that if possible, you should avoid boring, for reasons that you might need to redo it later, it reduces heat management and strength.

If I decide to overbore, then I might order the pistons right away. Otherwise, I need to see if I can do with 87.5's.

Dano 02-06-2014 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by atvfreek (Post 2439887)
The ones I have seen, the bores were fine. However, I would probably just have it over bored, as the bores are usually out of round if the engine has any sort of miles on it. Cost for overbore and hone is usually only about 250. But then milling the head, inspecting the block etc, usually add a little more on top of that.


word...bores look like a whore's... well you know the rest. :)

Lex 02-06-2014 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dano (Post 2443489)
word...bores look like a whore's... well you know the rest. :)

Woah you're still alive! Welcome back!

Tomas 02-07-2014 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dano (Post 2443489)
word...bores look like a whore's... well you know the rest. :)

^^^ who the fuck is this noob? http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...lies/booty.gif

Lex 02-07-2014 01:44 PM

Aaaand he's out.

littleloogy 02-07-2014 01:52 PM

It was like reading some old threads, but in real time... What a tease

Sent while cleaning my spill valve again...

Dano 02-07-2014 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lex (Post 2443580)
Woah you're still alive! Welcome back!

yes alive...barely...but am trying to get back into the car thing.

theurgy 02-07-2014 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dano (Post 2444880)
yes alive...barely...but am trying to get back into the car thing.

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ffz 03-23-2014 06:16 AM

Model/Year: 3 MPS 2010
Mileage: 29,000
Compression Results: 170, 170, 197, 170
Cylinders /w Cracked Ringlands: #1 , #3 & #4
Suspected Event Causing Failure, Condition of Affected Cylinder(s) and Other Info: Went WOT to overtake a lorry. Glanced at Cobb to see max boost at 22.63psi on stock MAP. Waiting at next junction, smoke coming from bonnet vent. Pull into car park, car has blown dipstick.

Prior to this, when driven hard, the car would have oil dripping from the cone filter. Also, I have been getting a small oil spray from the VVT oil actuator.
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#1

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Tokay444 03-23-2014 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ffz (Post 2508178)
Model/Year: 3 MPS 2010
Mileage: 29,000
Compression Results: 170, 170, 197, 170
Cylinders /w Cracked Ringlands: #1 , #3 & #4
Suspected Event Causing Failure, Condition of Affected Cylinder(s) and Other Info: Went WOT to overtake a lorry. Glanced at Cobb to see max boost at 22.63psi on stock MAP. Waiting at next junction, smoke coming from bonnet vent. Pull into car park, car has blown dipstick.

Prior to this, when driven hard, the car would have oil dripping from the cone filter. Also, I have been getting a small oil spray from the VVT oil actuator.
Pictures: http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/23/na2esygy.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/23/nype9e8a.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/23/ru3epahy.jpg

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Chris?

ffz 03-23-2014 08:56 AM

Yes Brock. Leak down was 30%, but that's fine, yeah? Lol

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hnda etr 03-24-2014 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ffz (Post 2508178)
Model/Year: 2010 MS3
Mileage: 29,000
Compression Results: 170, 170, 197, 170
Cylinders /w Cracked Ringlands: #1 , #3 & #4
Suspected Event Causing Failure, Condition of Affected Cylinder(s) and Other Info: Went WOT to overtake a truck. Glanced at Cobb to see max boost at 22.63psi on stock MAP. Waiting at next intersection, smoke coming from hood vent. Pull into parking lot, car has blown dipstick.

Prior to this, when driven hard, the car would have oil dripping from the cone filter. Also, I have been getting a small oil spray from the VVT oil actuator.
Pictures: http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/23/na2esygy.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/23/nype9e8a.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/23/ru3epahy.jpg

#1

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/23/abe8e4y7.jpg

#3

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/23/5ypy3uhy.jpg

#4




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ffz 03-24-2014 12:54 PM

Thanks for translation!

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theurgy 03-24-2014 02:04 PM

HAHA I think we all have watched enough Top Gear UK to understand those terms.

Domino81 03-26-2014 07:39 PM

So that's how they spell lorry. Wondered that for years.


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