Having an '06 build date, my number one concern is not the ECU flash but the fuel pump update. Long term, any negative changes introduced via the ECU flash should be addressable by the AccessPort

My question is this: Does every old fuel pump have issues, or does this only effect some?

seems as if most likely it is *some*, but I don't know.

I've got a new build date parts pump sitting here. I'm mailing the late model solenoid to Randy.

The comment about leaning out the car would solve all of the possible complaints people could be referring to;

1) Lack of power = "leaner is meaner", even if it bumps the AFR from 11.5 to 12.

2) Hesitation = less pressure would escape through the injectors because less fuel would spray into the cylinders, therefore there wouldnt be as dramatic of a pressure drop

3) Fuel cut = less pressure would escape through the injectors because less fuel would spray into the cylinders, therefore there wouldnt be as dramatic of a pressure drop. Pressure stays up above the 1500psi range in the lower half of gears = less chance of fuel cut.

Sounds logical to me.... I don't work for corporate. I'm thinking about advantages to us, not cost and political sides of a massive company.

+1 :saroll:
-enganear

woohoo enganear!!!!!

btw... where in the world are you!!!

If the solenoid helps with the lean hump, and enganear sees some improvement... Im gonna be VERY excited about this. I would LOVE higher a/fs but im worried about tuning them in and what it would do to that lean hump in the process. Its why we have remained so cautious with the standback.

Zach said they pulled fuel like crazy all over the place with the Xede on Jasons car.. that 329/394 on his ms6 was with an a/f running around 12.5-13.5 all the way through. And lean as SHIT down low.... i just dont have the balls for it yet.

Currently in Monterrey, Mexico.....:sombrero::sombrero::sombrero:
-enganear

how much work and how much play when you travel? youre all over the place!! You always go with folks or always by yourself?

Seeing as I picked up the car in August, I'm gonna go ahead and say that yeah, I have a pre November build date. Jon, since I have one of your upgraded pumps, I don't need to worry about this, do I? I don't want to bring it in and get this done and loose the upgrade I got from you.

so anyone done the TSB yet?

HAHAHAHAHA this is amazing I have all of the symptoms! Guess my standback wasn't causing my persistant intermitant 2177/2187 codes.

thank you.

I tried to get the TSB today. Dealership had no idea it was even out. I'll try another dealer this weekend.

I'm bring the tsb with me, my pro date older, my vin is older, the symptoms are there and documented on previous visits. I am happy today now.

funny how he didnt have those issiues prior to the standback:spank:

i am going to have to say it has to do with the way the standback controls boost.

Well I have been very quick to jump around between setups so this may or may not help, but I'm excited to go get it done anyway.

You don't give up do you? Mazda comes out with a TSB that addresses exactly what his symptoms are. He suggests, after seeing the TSB, that his problem might not have been the standback, yet you somehow know it was. Meanwhile palerider is tuning the shit out of his car and making the most hp of any nonmeth speed3 out there using the standback with no issues.

Whatever dude. :twak:

yourself and cpe can go hug now.....truth is i will always hate them and their stealing ways. So no i wont give up, either way they will be out of money soon. Many of us know the truth behind them.

Palerider is tunning the shit out of his car? Last i checked he isnt making the power he is suppose to or trapping where he is suppose 2. So yea LOL to that.

in all honesty he should be putting more to the ground than our speed6 but eh isn't now why that is is beyond me.

Everybody would be so friendly and happy in person. Damn you forums! Damn you internet!!! Why must you allow ego's and miscommunication to clash so easily!

On another note, FedEx decided I lived in a different city then the package was addressed to, and failed to deliver my dashhawk today. Sigh.

what power am I supposed to make Chris? I wasnt making the power I was supposed to the minute I started posting dynos around here. I should dyno in Cali or NY.

There are obvious issues still needing to be worked out on my car.
1...Intercooler is maxed.... rated 350whp. My setup fell behind the minute it went on..I got alot more power with a little ice on the stocker...lol
2...Ive got potentially a shitty intake setup... and maf issues because of it.
3...Ive got a dyno around the corner I could make 20whp more on.... and will Monday to shut everybody up.
4...Ive got a/fs in the 10s all through my power band..... I could lean the fuck out of it some more...
5...I could easily add another degree of timing.
6...I could take my highflow cat off.

In other words... you want 375. I could give it too you easy. Im probably at 340-345 just on changing dynos alone. I guess all the other speeds that have dynoed at Marks have "power issues" as well. Dereks car made 242/265 with a ms cai/ racepipe. Stock it would have been about 215whp / 230trq. Is his setup "having issues" with a mscai and racepipe?!?! or could the dyno be affecting him as well?

And last.... there is NO FUCKING WAY you can say that my car doesnt trap what its supposed too. I drive like shit. Ive only made three passes. I cant make myself rape the car yet. It is SO FUCKING VIOLENT when I get on it in 1-2-3 that Im still afraid Im going to break something. Ive only run the 1/8th and have of those runs are on and off throttle... 2 of the 3 I was so fucked in the head i forgot to turn dcs off..

You should be laughing at that... not telling me my car is slow. Even as big a joke as that is I trapped what Driver did on his 12.7 run...in the 1/8th anyway. I would have been walking the fuck all over him the back half.... where i know how to drive...lol







I will not make the torque numbers that you guys did... that is a given. I should make about 30-35 more hp because of drivetrain loss. Hell you guys tuned for a 12.5-13.5 on the dyno... who knows what timing and shit you added... and your 329 hp number was highly controversial becuase of the track times the car made.



My car is a cautious work in progress.... and I probably share too many details with you guys. Do not use my vehicle to trash the standback. It pisses me off. Mark riley is aware of the controversy about it and thinks i should quit posting online... too much bullshit. He likes what its capable off, and doesnt see what the big deal is. It pisses him off that bullshit like this can destroy decent companys.

I should be like Whoosh and hold out until I get the kinks worked out and then try 3-4 dynos until I get one I like..... then maybe 100 passes at the track until I know what Im doing. Then post a track number.

Jesus guys... My car is a beast... come trade cars with me for a weekend and then tell me theres something fucked up.

Usually alone, very little play. I just found out this morning I have to go to Shanghai next week, so I will miss your dyno event on Monday. :17:

I do like riding the maglev train from the Shanghai airport, 267MPH, 20' off the ground is cool.
-enganear

you trapped what driver and i did in the 1/8th, however i walked drivers car in the back half as well. I understand you were haveing traction issues an are still new to the whole track thing but its not really that hard to get a mph out of car as apposed to et. Do a 1/4 on run on the dh....for reference mine reads 116ish......The more i look at it the more i feel that something is up with this car. What was your dyno before the BT? 270ish it think?

So you gained 50whp from a BT and manifold upgrade and almost no torque? Doesnt sound like everything is clicking there to me.


btw me and randy are not arguing lol....we chat ont he phone weekly about various things from nutrition to cars. We just dont agree on cpe lol

Chris... I'll do the dashhawk runs. In the 1/8th for a rookie driver whose afraid to "get into it"... 86 is flying!! I cant stress enough... I dont launch this car ever on the street. i VERY rarely ever floor 2nd and NEVER 1st. Now even third scares me when Im in boost and shift into it. My ONE 1/8th freaked me out terribly.

Before the turbo... Derek trapped higher than my car..lol I made two runs and trapped 81... he trapped over 82... at 242/265 on Marks dyno. I KNOW I pulled the fuck on him in street rolls but i couldnt trap higher...lol Im determined to try and break my car the next time I go to the track... if it breaks i'll fix it..

As far as the 50 hp from the bt...

Yeah we slapped it on ...maxed out the MAF and the IC ... and "only" made 323-269..... 54 hp.

Big deal.... add a 3" MAF and a decent IC Id probably pick up an easy... 20-25 more.
Different dyno... 15-20 more
Pull more fuel like they did with the Xede PG car and timing.... 10-15 more

make more than two pulls with all that Im looking at 370 easy.... and maybe a blown engine too.

hey our trap and ET at the strip is what it is there was decent tire spin and apparently a shot clutch from SPEC. we showed video of the run people didn't want to believe it that's their problem the car is what it is and that isn't a drag car. On the highway the bitch pulls really damn hard. This season we will have DR's manifold fuel system and cams so watch out.

I'm sure Randys car pulls like a raped ape on Sunday. There are soo many variables in Drag times you can't just say the car makes this power and weighs this much so it must trap this speed if it were that simple than RX8's should be able to pull away from my truck but they don't we are bumper to bumper. I have had customers tell me that I drive the shit out of their cars better than they can. The driver mod is a big one.

+1
makes for a good website....and be careful about knocking my car too bad. If Anthony doesnt get his ass out here in the next couple months Im gonna recruit your ass to come drive this thing. His ticket is already paid for.

I didnt build it for nothing. I want to see what it WILL do!!!

Even if I get decent... i'll leave too much out there.

And as far as cpe goes... Im over what they did to you. I think they know what that cost them and in the scheme of things they paid too much. They have a decent product that gets WAY to much gripe.

I was at the shop today when a dude called in, left a message, and wanted mark to hook up his new water/meth kit and a greddy Emanage to his speed3....I was so in shock we just laughed and laughed. WTF!!!

He was gonna spend money to blow his shit up and for a couple hundred more he could get boost control, "some" fuel control, a little timing, a secondary system for his water/meth, a map clamp, shittons of datalogging, tech support out the wazzoo, etc, etc....

the product is a good value when guys are trying to tune a ms3 with emanage, for crying out loud.... how hilarious is that

zach... thats all you had to say.

I think your numbers are dead on, compared to mine... I think a bigger ic and leaning it out to where you guys had it will give me the 360 everybody wants to see before they let this thing lie and then give me shit about "track times"

Thats why im gonna bring driver out here. I want to REALLY know where i stand.

um cdfp tsb ??

LMFAO! I forgot what I was reading about :slap:

well.... a discussion about the fuel pumps is bound to get back to the cpe issue. this whole board to some extent is founded on an argument that was had over..

fuel pumps.

My power issues are inherently involved with that discussion because my car is constantly brought up as an example on both sides.... remarkably!!! Its apparently PROOF that there is something wrong or PROOF that there is nothing wrong.

funny kind of.

I would like to see the discussion eventually get back on track regarding whether we should get work done at the dealer. I would love to have more fuel and be leaner in certain places. The fear is that once you have the flash.... YOU CAN NEVER GO BACK!!!!!

Hmmmmm "what if"(and a big if) you picked up a AP(if it is out as soon as ppl think) DL the stock ROM before the flash then before you upload the Stage map go to Mazda and and see what the update is all about. This way you may be able to end up going back to your before FP/flash ROM... Course this only works 4 ppl who will buy the AP.

that is a mighty fine idea!!!! i was going to get that cobb ap anyway...lol Didnt know what the hell I was going to do with it.... but I was going to get it.

I wouldnt be surprised if the cobb reflash is in the same ballpark as the mazda tune anyway... assuming the mazda tune pulls a little fuel. Difference is we'll all know more about the reflash than the mazda flash.... no telling what gets changed on the mazda flash.

Well, my reflash is set for Monday . . . I can't stand the issues I have been having (the issues described in the TSB) and if the reflash fixes them, I'll be happy.

The week after, I will bve heading to the dyno to do a baseline with stock BPV and one with the Synapse . . . but that is for another thread . . .

As for the CPE thing, I guess I joined the game a little late and have no idea what this issue is . . . so I'll just sit back, grab a bag of chips and a beer and enjoy the show :alcoholic:

you mean SOAP

My dealership wouldn't schedule an appointment for it because they don't have any pumps, lol.

hah we bought them all.

Well that means im SOL too. You go to Morries or Luther?

Look Randy, no one is saying your car isn't a monster. We know it is, just your dyno numbers are so low for the size turbo and tuning solution you're running bro.Maybe it is the dyno, but the car should be seeing bigger numbers than that. We also know you aren't a drag racer by nature and that is fine with me. Everyone is on the fence which direction they are going to take with their cars pending outcome of yours, Ant's and Whoosh's.


So you're going to allow Mike Riley to dictate what you do and don't do? That's about the lamest thing Ive ever heard you say. If Mike Riley has so information to give us on this wonderful product, tell his ass to come over here and post about it. Until than, its going to be the same ole, same ole.

People are going to be a cheerleader for some one, depending on what they get kicked down to them for free. The difference is, how much of a slut or whore do you plan on being? Being the biggest slut/whore only gives you a bad rep in the end. Independence is where you should be and no one should dictate what you decide to do. Alienation only hurts you in the end.

Well let em draw their own conclusions then. FWIW.... i wasnt aware anybody else had put a fucking gt30 on an ms3 other than ATP.... whose selling them and posting dyno graphs that are as atypical as hell. ATP puts up some dyno that nobody can fucking read, with no torque, and fuel cut half way through the run.... and then "thats what a goddam gt30 is supposed to make"

I could tweak it or spend another 5000 grand experimenting with just the right maf and ic.... try out 4-5 dynos... tune it some more and make your number.... But instead Im driving the fastest ms3 in the country and approaching 1000 miles on the turbo....and DOING IT SAFELY!!!!!!!! None of the local guys are talking about how terrible its all going here. Their datalogging with me trying to wipe shiteating grins off their faces.

If an easy 375 is possible by slapping a big turbo on a ms3, with a ecu weve never seen before.... then somebody else needs to fucking do it. You talk about whores.... this whole community is drinking the Cobb and PTP jones juice all the while they havent fucking done a goddam thing yet. if it was "so easy"... I wouldnt be the only one doing this.... the cars have been around for 18 months for crying out loud. its a joke that my first modding project ever like this...that I am where i am.

So now im a slut/whore? wow...

And lets see.... instead of listening to mark riley I should listen to a bunch of guys running their mouths on the internet?!?!

The motherfucker tunes 600-1000 whp four cylinders for a living. Hes been doing it for decades. He works on my car when guys arent flying his ass to all parts of the country cause their car is "stuck" at 680 whp and the setup should be netting more.... recently a flight to hawaii for a week netted him an 800whp srt.

Yeah im on his dick.... HARD!!! my project is a simple bolton... piggyback ecu tune with a "little" turbo plopped on. hes not all that impressed with the difficulty. Hes a little interested because hes bored with big power srts, dsms, hondas, and all the other shit he sees all day long. oh yeah... hes also intersted because of "me". Im a very atypical car guy and quite frankly Im probably a bit of fresh air around there to all the other fucking know-it-alls he has to deal with... and then their cars break... and he has to fucking spent a shitton of time trying to figure out what the hell is wrong, how to fix it, and keep it from happening again.. he likes me because for our "little" project so far.. im a curious team player. and one hell of a personality around the shop. Lets just say that evrybody there is talking their pills now... and a few of their health problems are getting better..lol

Yeah...i should listen to a bunch of dudes who cant agree half the time anyway. i love all you guys but its not like COMBINED you have the knowledge if got right up the street. yeah he does things his way and gets pissed when you suggest other shit.... you know why..

I stand there and watch while amateurs tow their shit in so he can fix their fuckups..... ALL DAY LONG!!!!! every week.... My jobs get interrupted by guys all over the country calling in asking him what the fuck their doing wrong... I see him talk with Corky Bell on a first name basis.

jesus kevin... damn straight im a slut. duh. Ive got a little turbo, smaller than a fucking 50 trim on my car... im new to modding and the guys three blocks away.

My build is peanuts to him.

Im gonna chill with the public updates... im tired of defending myself like this. I come here with pride and looking for advice and i get this crap. I'll start posting about my wheels and shit.

No one does as far as i know, have a Gt30 on an MS3. ATP isnt voted high on my book with their hack of a turbo kit.

Why would you need to spend $5K on an intercooler and maf? At this point, if a true tuning solution was available, you could tune around the stock MAF until something larger was created. This is where interceptors "lack" tuning ability. And, who the fuck said anyone was talking about how terrible your project is going? I think you are being a wee bit sensitive all of a sudden.

People are working on doing that right now Randy. A larger turbo should easily take someone to 375 without a blink. Do the math on the PSI vs the CFM of the bigger turbo's. People do this all day long with Nissan's, Suburu's and SRts. The joke is the tuning solution, not the parts. Ill give you an example:

1992, Vortech releasing a 8 psi supercharger kit for the 5.0 302. People are basically seeing 260's to the 270 hp range with it. 1994 a real tuning solution pops up from Autologic and the same fuckin car makes 355hp to the wheels. Luck? Not at all. Before the autologic, came the Crane Interceptor. People still couldnt pull 300 to the wheels with it.





Again, you read to far into this and are wayyyyy to sensitive all of a sudden. I dont care if that motherfucker tunes 1000 hps cars all day long. I know MANY tuners in the ford world that tune 1500hp cars. Whats the point of the discussion? The point is this, he cant tune his ass out of the Mazda ECU with the solution you gave him. Stop kidding yourself Randy. The car has MORE power trapped in it, but he cant tap it until he has a real solution to work with. Do you think he is going to say what a piece of shit your setup is with ALL the fucking money you have spent with him? Cmon, thats common sense in the business world. Stupid i am not, so lend me credit here.

If you aren't on his dick, why listen to him telling you to stop posting on forums than? He should be taking his mad ass tuning skills and providing a solution. Instead, i see him expecting praise all across the country instead of using his "knowledge" to fix the tuning problem with this car.. There are people who can tune via software and their are tuners. Do you know the difference?

Are you trying to cut off your legs & arms, all in one shot? If you look around, this board isnt comprised of a bunch of stupid fucking people. We all come from different platforms and have owned some really fast cars. There is a ton of knowledge sitting here and you have decided, based on your software tuner, what you will and wont do. Call me stupid, but im not a fucking puppet for anyone. If we all agreed on everything, would do we even need discussion forums?

I dont know one kickass tuner that takes calls while tuning. Perhaps, he needs some employees to take the phone call strain off. If im strapped to a dyno, you bet your ass my car will be tuned with complete focus on my car. That IS what you're paying for. I could careless he is talks to Corky Bell on a first name basis. If anything, him and corky should be working on a tuning solution for ALL platforms.

No, you're becoming a puppet all of a sudden for the wrong reasons. " Ill do what Mike tells me to do."

Go ahead, alienate yourself. See what that does to the respect level you have developed, but more importantly, the relationships you have developed with people here. This happen EVERY fucking day on every platform forum in the country. The game never changes, only the screen names and the type of car associated with it.

You will look back on this in one year and laugh. Or, maybe you wont. Depends if you continue to be a puppet for someones excuse of not tuning with a viable solution dude.

Been there, Done That & wrote the fuckin book.