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div2 05-05-2008 09:40 PM

No More Mazdaspeed CAI
 
As a lot of you know, on 3/14 Mazda issued a stop sale order on the Mazdaspeed CAI for both the MS6 and MS3. Now it turns out that Mazda has placed a mandatory part return on both intakes. I bought mine from on eBay from a Mazda Dealer so I can probably get my money back. Since the MS6 is dead and the MS3 has less than a year to go, I seriously doubt any replacement intake will be developed. I'm really disgusted with Mazda at this point. What next, a smoking turbo? One of the reasons I bought an MS3 was to enjoy a change of pace from my usual RWD track rats. There hasn't been all that much enjoyment so far. The only two decent dealers I can use do great work but are very mod-unfriendly, so if I went with a Cobb SRI I'd be screwing around with the install-uninstall shuffle. At this point I'm about ready to move on.:sigh1:

Haltech 05-05-2008 09:49 PM

By law, they have to stop sale on a non C.A.R.B exempted product when it expires. Perhaps Mazda isnt selling enough of these to spend the $300,000 for re-certification. Mine has worked flawlessly so i dont know why you are all upset.

I really dont think a dealer is going to give you shit for having a Cobb SRI. If they do, a pleasant conversation with the Service Manager, telling im you will take your care elsewhere may get your mods ignored. People think the money maker at a car dealership is sales when its actually, the service dept.

Exhaust Depot 05-05-2008 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 24634)
. People think the money maker at a car dealership is sales when its actually, the service dept.

Ding ding ding! Yup!

Then you can always bring up that law called teh Magnus something something magnatron transformer thingy. It states that they need to prove that the mod caused your problem so they cant void yoru warranty. :)

NYpest 05-06-2008 03:18 AM

do you know of a link to the return information itwould be interesting to see

TurboWagon 05-06-2008 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 24634)
By law, they have to stop sale on a non C.A.R.B exempted product when it expires. Perhaps Mazda isnt selling enough of these to spend the $300,000 for re-certification. Mine has worked flawlessly so i dont know why you are all upset.

+1

Sorry div2, I need to see some proof before I believe that.

clos561 05-06-2008 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 24634)
By law, they have to stop sale on a non C.A.R.B exempted product when it expires. Perhaps Mazda isnt selling enough of these to spend the $300,000 for re-certification. Mine has worked flawlessly so i dont know why you are all upset.

I really dont think a dealer is going to give you shit for having a Cobb SRI. If they do, a pleasant conversation with the Service Manager, telling im you will take your care elsewhere may get your mods ignored. People think the money maker at a car dealership is sales when its actually, the service dept.

mine has worked fine too, i dont know what the big deal is...ok some people get leans codes but they have a flash and FP TSB for that.

div2 05-06-2008 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboWagon (Post 24673)
+1

Sorry div2, I need to see some proof before I believe that.

MAZDASPEED CAI - it's officially dead - Mazda Forums

It's not a CARB problem; it has to do with a small number of cars that trip a lean fuel trim fault with a MS CAI.

Haltech 05-06-2008 12:04 PM

Ugh, if you really believe a few isolated incidents with lean codes is causing this to happen, more power to you.

Crossbow 05-07-2008 04:15 PM

If that's even mentioned as the reason, then it's not isolated at all. Considering the small # of MS3's in the USA, and the even smaller # of intake sales...it would have be a whole heapload of problems for them to do that (just because of the lean codes).

I'd almost imagine they'd see their intake was causing the lean code, then some kid blowing their engine for an entirely unrelated issue and pulling a Mazda stealership on Mazda. "My engine blew because of your shitty intake design!"

AutoXRacer 05-08-2008 05:45 AM

Mine has worked flawlessly so far...15K miles. :top:

So I'm going to have to relinquish my MSCAI...?:sad2:

CMESCOOT 05-08-2008 05:59 AM

It's not a CARB problem; it has to do with a small number of cars that trip a lean fuel trim fault with a MS CAI.[/QUOTE]

so mazda is making an effort to solve a cel from the intake? That makes up for them voiding my warranty when I took my car in to have them look at my p.o.s turbo

div2 05-08-2008 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CMESCOOT (Post 25687)
so mazda is making an effort to solve a cel from the intake? That makes up for them voiding my warranty when I took my car in to have them look at my p.o.s turbo

All I know at this point is that some Mazda insiders have said that the Stop Sale order was issued due to some MS CAI equipped cars throwing a lean fuel trim code. Most everyone had assumed that Mazda was working on a reflash that would correct the problem. Instead, Mazda decided to remove the MS3 and MS6 CAIs from the catalog altogether. I've also been told that the Mazdaspeed Green warranty will continue to apply as long as the intake was installed prior to the issuance date of the Stop Sale order(3/14/08). In my case I don't have any wiggle room since my car has been back to the dealer since that time.

Haltech 05-08-2008 03:27 PM

Well mines good.

div2 05-08-2008 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 25970)
Well mines good.

Personally, I think Mazda has overreacted. I was all set to stick my CAI on this weekend, but I need the warranty coverage.

HiggyMS3 05-08-2008 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by div2 (Post 26024)
Personally, I think Mazda has overreacted. I was all set to stick my CAI on this weekend, but I need the warranty coverage.

What do you plan on doing with it?

div2 05-08-2008 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HiggyMS3 (Post 26046)
What do you plan on doing with it?

Right now I'm waiting to see if Showcase Mazda will refund my money. Failing that I'll wait a bit longer and try to find out if Mazda still plans to offer a re-flash(very unlikely, IMO). After that? Who knows, part of the reason I bought the car was the availability of the MS parts that I could install without warranty hassles. What with Mazda pulling this stunt with the CAI and their efforts to void warranties of anyone who doesn't drive like a charter member of AARP, I've about decided to move back to the RWD side of the street.

skeeter149@hotmail.com 05-08-2008 11:11 PM

subscribing to see what the fate of my intake is...

TurboWagon 05-09-2008 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by div2 (Post 25969)
All I know at this point is that some Mazda insiders have said that the Stop Sale order was issued due to some MS CAI equipped cars throwing a lean fuel trim code. Most everyone had assumed that Mazda was working on a reflash that would correct the problem. Instead, Mazda decided to remove the MS3 and MS6 CAIs from the catalog altogether. I've also been told that the Mazdaspeed Green warranty will continue to apply as long as the intake was installed prior to the issuance date of the Stop Sale order(3/14/08). In my case I don't have any wiggle room since my car has been back to the dealer since that time.


Dealer Installed or Installed in general? I wasn't about to fork over money for an easy bolt-on installation. I've had no issues either with my CAI and I dont really plan on taking it off.

ptperformance 05-09-2008 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by div2 (Post 26105)
Right now I'm waiting to see if Showcase Mazda will refund my money. Failing that I'll wait a bit longer and try to find out if Mazda still plans to offer a re-flash(very unlikely, IMO). After that? Who knows, part of the reason I bought the car was the availability of the MS parts that I could install without warranty hassles. What with Mazda pulling this stunt with the CAI and their efforts to void warranties of anyone who doesn't drive like a charter member of AARP, I've about decided to move back to the RWD side of the street.

I will buy it from you, to hell with Mazda..... let me refund you.

KaiserSoze 05-13-2008 02:36 PM

I don't believe it has anything to do with CARB. That only means it's not legal to sell in California. There are still 49 other states and however many other countries where the MS CAI was being sold. My money is on the lean condition. Not that it matters for me since I'm going with Cobb, but there's my 2 cents.

occschemguy 05-13-2008 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KaiserSoze (Post 27840)
I don't believe it has anything to do with CARB. That only means it's not legal to sell in California. There are still 49 other states and however many other countries where the MS CAI was being sold. My money is on the lean condition. Not that it matters for me since I'm going with Cobb, but there's my 2 cents.

im with u there, the carb cert is b.s bcos its under the same cert as the aem one, they just dont want all the guys that had thier motors blow do to lean condition and there warrenties denied to know that the cai intake was the cause it would cost mazda a fortune to pay everyone back for all the damages.

splat1 06-18-2008 06:25 AM

Any update regarding the new mazdaspeed CAI?

xcoldricex 06-18-2008 05:52 PM

wait we can return these? or just the recent ones

Ryz 06-21-2008 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaiserSoze (Post 27840)
I don't believe it has anything to do with CARB. That only means it's not legal to sell in California. There are still 49 other states and however many other countries where the MS CAI was being sold. My money is on the lean condition. Not that it matters for me since I'm going with Cobb, but there's my 2 cents.

Any major car component sold by/through dealerships need to be 50 state legal.

skeeter149 06-21-2008 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryz (Post 41149)
Any major car component sold by/through dealerships need to be 50 state legal.

tell that to nissan and nismo. most of the nismo parts are not cali legal but sold at the cali dealerships. intakes have no carb, nor do headers at least in 05. they might now but when i looked at the spec v they said the parts werent street legal.

TongMan 04-01-2009 07:58 AM

wow...just found this thread...sad that I will not be getting the Mazdaspeed CAI anymore...Cobb here I come...

TongMan 04-01-2009 04:00 PM

my bad...i guess searching was a bad idea this time...why don't the mods lock or delete old threads that doesn't apply anymore?


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