Oil Catch Can Question

[dooderek]

wtf first of all you fucks are confusing two different types of occ's.

you cannot run a vented occ from IM to PCV because you will cause a massive vacuum leak. (pull)


You can run a vented OCC from valve cover (push)

for that matter you could just stick a hose on there and point it down.

[Lex2007]

Originally Posted by dooderek wtf first of all you fucks are confusing two different types of occ's..

You need to take your meds...you have not achieved the therapeutic dose.

[leka]

Hello dead thread!

one question about the JBR vented catch can (stage 2) , i have it already installed.
Right now i have this kit installed on my car, but there is oil leaking. Only thing i could think of is the drain valve is open. but when i "closed it" if it was opened in the first place, it caused my turbo to leak :S..
i got oil all over my turbo and got a lot of smoke going from my exhaust

I will lift the car on Thursday and change my clutch so i'm asking, which if these catch can drain valve is closed?

also the check valve, where should it point? toward the catch can or the PCV?
my routing is at states in the manual. one tube is going to the PCV and one is going to the valve cover from the lower point of the catch can with a T connection, and the top exit on the catch can is VTA

thanks in advance

[Fjager]

@leka; you have your routing all wrong, it should be from the crank case to the cc then to the intake manifold. check valve goes to the intake manifold, lets air go into it.

[leka]

Originally Posted by Fjager @leka; you have your routing all wrong, it should be from the crank case to the cc then to the intake manifold. check valve goes to the intake manifold, lets air go into it.

I'm running vta, I'm suppose to run it to the valve cover

[Fjager]

So your running both the crank case and valve cover to a T then to the CC, then to a filter at the CC for VTA. You don't even need a check valve in that situation.

[leka]

Originally Posted by Fjager So your running both the crank case and valve cover to a T then to the CC, then to a filter at the CC for VTA. You don't even need a check valve in that situation.

No, I'm running as I wrote before, PCV and valve cover as a T connection. crank case is closed.

But as i'm thinking right now i think I have the check valve toward the catch can, and need someone to correct me if it is wrong.

also as the pictures shows, left and right, which of these are actually closed?

[Fjager]

Crank case closed is wrong. that's why your blowing oil into your turbo. Also a T for pcv to valve cover makes no sense. your trying to pull all the pressure through your crank case is dumb. that and the T means your not filtering anything, it's going straight back into the intake.

[leka]

Originally Posted by Fjager Crank case closed is wrong. that's why your blowing oil into your turbo. Also a T for pcv to valve cover makes no sense. your trying to pull all the pressure through your crank case is dumb. that and the T means your not filtering anything, it's going straight back into the intake.

Thanks for the reply, but this picture is taken from the manual

The crank case is closed, and it's runing to the pcv and the valve cover. Also I actually have oil runing inside my fmic piping. And I do not have a valve cover connection to the intake

[Fjager]

Once again, wrong. Uninstall everything. Actually try to read the directions when you try to install it again, cuz your all kinds of fucked up.

[leka]

Originally Posted by Fjager Once again, wrong. Uninstall everything. Actually try to read the directions when you try to install it again, cuz your all kinds of fucked up.

I feel like fucked up.. could you be kind and tell me the routing including the check valve with the vta please? I have the version 2 of the jbr. I feel lost with this manual..

[Fjager]

http://www.jamesbaroneracing.com/sup...uctions-v3.pdf

http://www.jamesbaroneracing.com/sup...nstruction.pdf

Read those two. I don't know what instructions you got, but this will be a start.

Basically you will block off the intake manifold port, route the crank case and valve cover together to a T then to the CC and then the CC will go VTA. READ READ READ.

Also I would just take out the Check Valve, it's useless now with VTA.

[leka]

Originally Posted by Fjager http://www.jamesbaroneracing.com/sup...uctions-v3.pdf http://www.jamesbaroneracing.com/sup...nstruction.pdf Read those two. I don't know what instructions you got, but this will be a start. Basically you will block off the intake manifold port, route the crank case and valve cover together to a T then to the CC and then the CC will go VTA. READ READ READ. Also I would just take out the Check Valve, it's useless now with VTA.

I will probably make you mad. But I miss understood the pcv is actually connected to the T on the catch can and to the valve cover. The intake port is blocked.. but I think the problem here is actually the check valve is wrong direction. Would that have that effekt on the turbo?
And I'm sorry for that miss understanding.
Just need to know the direction of the check valve.

Regards

[Fjager]

Yes, it would because it would block all air from going to the catch can.
if your not going to remove it. make sure it is facing toward the catch can.
And yes pressure building with nowhere to go in your engine is bad, for everything.

[leka]

Originally Posted by Fjager Yes, it would because it would block all air from going to the catch can. if your not going to remove it. make sure it is facing toward the catch can. And yes pressure building with nowhere to go in your engine is bad, for everything.

Ok, so I will remove the check valve, if it's as you say, useless. But you could not tel about the drain valve which is open and which is closed?

I have 350whp mazdaspeed 6 and i don't know these basic things, I shouldn't have this car

[Fjager]

Right tight, left loose.

[2012FailWheelDrive]

Why run the vented setup?

[aromig]

Originally Posted by 2012FailWheelDrive Why run the vented setup?

If you're running a crazy amount of hp over stock, it relieves all that extra pressure better

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[2012FailWheelDrive]

Originally Posted by aromig If you're running a crazy amount of hp over stock, it relieves all that extra pressure better Sent from my GS3 running CM11, via FapDaCock

haha yea I know. I think OP would be fine with a sealed configuration though. I had just one sealed can when i had my gtx3071 at ~400hp and it worked perfect. Now that I'm built I am running dual cans with the perm plate just to be safe.

[leka]

To clear things upp, when the threads are visible on the drain plug, it means that it is closed, and when not visible it's open.

[aromig]

Originally Posted by 2012FailWheelDrive haha yea I know. I think OP would be fine with a sealed configuration though. I had just one sealed can when i had my gtx3071 at ~400hp and it worked perfect. Now that I'm built I am running dual cans with the perm plate just to be safe.

That sounds like quite the nice setup. I guess a vta might be functionally comparable to that, but less money?

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[shmallz92]

QUESTION!!! i just bought a helix catch can (check valve included on the side) i have no bracket, bought it second hand but in amazing condition. now i need to know the thread size/pitch for the bolts and locking nuts to mount this fcker. the bracket i can bend and make myself with an aluminum flat bar.

08 MS3 JBR short ram, straight piped exh

[Mattyhawk1]

Is you question that you need help figuring out what mount and hardware you should fabricate?

I ended up using two of these to mount my CC:
http://www.siliconeintakes.com/liqui...ket-p-715.html

2.5"-5.5" diameters available.

[shmallz92]

Yeah but actually forget that. I'll just cross thread or drill new holes and fit them. No one has a straight answer about installing a catch can. The stock pcv on an 08? Why do you need one at all after having a catch can with check valve attached. And why does corksort show hoses from the bottom as normal and then a third hose from the valve hose down to the catch can as well. I mean what the fuck????!!! No one has one fucking solution and straight answer

[Mattyhawk1]

I used JBR installation guide to mount mine, check that one out.

[Adam.kennedy23]

Just bought my genpu ms3. Previous owner provided a cozmic vented occ that isn't installed yet. Is there any advantage or disadvantage to running that as opposed to something like the JBR occ?

[Fstrnyou]

Vented catch cans only work with strategically placed check valves OR if the entire crankcase ventilation system is isolated from the intake system.