One of those PTP Kicker Mounts installed.

[bioevolve]

This is an add-on mount, will be a 4th mount for most you. This will be my 5th motor mount add-on. This mount acts as two things, a motor mount and traction bar (sort of lol).

Currently have:
PTP Tranny Motor Mount (TMM)
Top Speed Rear Motor Mount (RMM)
Top Speed Passenger Side Motor Mount (PMM)
TurbineTech Front Motor Mount (FMM)
PTP Kicker Motor Mount (KMM)

My motor shouldn't move any now hahahaha.
Quality and welds as same as their TMM. Here is what it comes with:




The 3 factory threaded holes on the block.

Start the mounting of the block bracket and three supplied bolts with some Loc-Tite on it. Torque it down manly style.


Do the same for the subframe bracket, two bolts.


Now drill using smaller bit to 1/4" bit for the third small nut and bolt on the subframe. You will go thru two sandwiched layers of metal.



Put in the connecting rod/bushing, do not tighten yet.

The other end of it you can see a gap on both sides of the heim joint.


You can adjust within the subframe bracket, but when you tighten it down the ears of the bracket will come together and will not allow it to spin on the inside, so I opted to use NATOR washers (I only had 5 of them) to take up the space/gap. Therefore I could keep adjusting it again with out removing the entire rod/bushing.


Torque the reamining bushing and heim joint bolts/nuts, also the jam nut on the heim joint. I opted to pull the engine slightly back for the tension before tighten all down and jam nut last. Finished! ENJOY!







Will have some reveiw/results later.

100 miles so far.
I get no idle vibs.
Taking off you will feel the vibs, little more than you want.
Very little at cruising.
Launching seems to help alittle.

Also awaiting the break-in period of 500-1000 miles still.

[hnda etr]

I'm not sure why you natorized the heim joint side with the washers.... you said you did it so you CAN spin the heim joint? or prevent it from spinning? or to take up the space between the bracket and the joint?

[Fobio]

Originally Posted by hnda etr I'm not sure why you natorized the heim joint side with the washers.... you said you did it so you CAN spin the heim joint? or prevent it from spinning? or to take up the space between the bracket and the joint?

I'd say he did it to prevent the 2 "ears" from coming together fromm the tightening, which would make it impossible to spin the helm joint while it's mounted to make adjustments.

[hnda etr]

Originally Posted by Fobio I'd say he did it to prevent the 2 "ears" from coming together fromm the tightening, which would make it impossible to spin the helm joint while it's mounted to make adjustments.

Ahh... that makes sense...

[glocK23]

That setup actually looks pretty schweet, but how does it feel!?

[thanox2]

I bet women come really quick on that car.

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by Fobio I'd say he did it to prevent the 2 "ears" from coming together fromm the tightening, which would make it impossible to spin the helm joint while it's mounted to make adjustments.

That is correct, other wise you will have a hard time pivoting the rod upwards to spin the heim joint looser/tighter. It eliminates a step of removing the whole rod/bushing out to make adjustments.

Originally Posted by glocK23 That setup actually looks pretty schweet, but how does it feel!?

Idle I feel no different, awaiting a test drive.

Originally Posted by thanox2 I bet women come really quick on that car.

Yes they do, super vibrator lol.

[flyrevs2]

does it really vibrate a lot ?
I'm about ready to pull the trigger and get one of these, but I don't want more vibes. Maybe someone else can post up a review after they get it installed.

[nyghtryder]

I would imagine that the more tension you place on the engine the more likely youll feel the vibs, however you should be able to dial it in to almost zero vibs.

[mazdarati]

Looks frickin sweet

[skeeter149]

god i do love bioevolve write ups... so detailed, so clear and so many quedtions answered!!! yes!!!

[flyrevs2]

awsome pics and write up !!!! Now how are the vibes since you have been rockin this for a bit now ?

[wankular]

Nice writeup. How necessary is that little allen bolt? It seems tiny compared to the others.

[bioevolve]

100 miles so far.
I get no idle vibs.
Taking off you will feel the vibs, little more than you want.
Very little at cruising.
Launching seems to help alittle.

Also await the break-in period of 500-1000 miles still.

[bioevolve]

300+ miles so far, vibs have lessened some.
Forgot to mention, at first it amplified my deceleration vibs a bit, but as the miles go by it lessens.

[hnda etr]

I just got my kit and John's now including a metal spacer with it to keep the ears from bending inwards too much..

Question though, I noticed the 2 black bolts that go into the crossmember didn't have nuts to go with them... Are the crossmember holes threaded then?

Also, if I do the install with the car up on ramps, will that cause the motor to tilt too far backwards do you think?

Thanks for the great write up!

[fjames]

Yes they're threaded. I doubt the spacers will work for you - it doesn't line up centered. Look at bioevolve's pics and you can see that. I should have used one spacer and the rest washers, but after popping the spacers out I forgot and just used washers. Of course, I popped them out inside so never tried it with them on.

I hope you got a lotta tools - I damn near failed with just basic hand tools - those engine side bolts are a bitch to reach from the ground and torque up good.

I was curious about the engine rocking and it being a pain to adjust, but with a tranny and rear mount mine doesn't move much so I just lined it up as it was.

I get a little noise from somewhere when lugging in first gear. I have to lug it to get into the garage. It's a weird noise - sort of a chirpy groan? Maybe I tightened the bushing bolt too much - I put 50 lbs on it. It sounds like it's coming from the glove box lol, which made me panic about the passenger side mount, but it looks okay. I dunno ...

This mount feels like the rear mount in my Si. Kind of buzzes a little and everything feels nice and tight. I'm sure it will break in with the 60 duro, but right now, no big vibes or anything. I already got the deceleration vibes from the tranny mount and they're no worse, maybe even a little snubbed now.

[bioevolve]

Yes, fjames is right just use some Loc-Tite on those bolts.
Car ramps won't move/lean the engine back any.
There is alittle more space on the driver side on the heim joint within the bracket ears.
Yes, you will get vib noises from the glove box side. It's resonating thru that side of the subframe.
You could try lubing the engine side bushing if you are hear a chirping/squeaking noise.
Tightening the engine side bolts is easier with the type of wrench I'm using in the picture.

[hnda etr]

Just got done installing my kit tonight. Initial impressions are that this is a solidly made kit. Nice welding, heavy gauge metal, perfect fitment!

Also, looks like PTP might have revised the design a bit - just on the "neck" part- whereas on bioevolve's and fjames' kits, the heim joint sits centered between the neck "ears", my heim joint lined up more to the side.

This allowed the ~1/4" spacer to fit perfectly on the opposite side. Once tightened down, the ears barely bent inwards, maybe 5 degrees per side. Leaves plent of space to lift the heim joint in and out to adjust. I tried putting in a really thin washer on the side opposite the spacer, but it was a bitch to get in and I decided that it wasn't necessary.

I took off my Weapon-R ETD a couple days ago because I couldn't stand the vibrations it was causing, sound/felt like the whole cabin was shaking apart. I haven't driven with the new kicker mount yet, but just from idling I can barely tell it's there! Definitley better than the ETD!

I'll do a little driving later tonight, so I'll have a better idea of how it drives later.

Edit: If anybody's wondering, you'll need a 15mm and a 19mm IIRC. Thanks to bioevoleve's post above this one, I got the angled wrenches like in his pic and had 0 problems with the install - sorry fjames ;-)

Edit2: I have all 3 SU Mounts, and my motor wouldn't budge! I can't imagine the car being on the ramps causing any movement of the motor - I don't know how bioevolve moved his motor to pre-tension it! I mean I couldn't move mine a C-hair and I'm not a small guy!

Edit3: I just reread bioevolve's and fjames' posts, and it looks like their heim joints are off to the side just like mine. Mine was perfect with the spacer John included though, not sure why your guys' weren't...

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by hnda etr Edit3: I just reread bioevolve's and fjames' posts, and it looks like their heim joints are off to the side just like mine. Mine was perfect with the spacer John included though, not sure why your guys' weren't...

Cuz he read my thread and added the peice lol.

[fjames]

Ha, I was going to go get one of those angle wrenches, but it's a 20-50 mile round trip to get anywhere from where I live and I didn't get motivated to install until about 10:30 at night. I'm so tempted to put the stock tranny mount back, just to quiet things down. But it feels so tight now, of a piece, I don't know - maybe this is the best combination of mounts (rear, tranny, kicker.) So far so good anyhow.

[xcoldricex]

thanks for the updates guys, please post more impressions!

[hnda etr]

Driving, can't feel the additional vibes, at idle, I feel a slight amount... When the AC compressor turns on though, that's when I feel the most vibes - still not an obnoxious amount though.

[wisniaPl]

i feel that those 2 bolts that are in the block wont hold there should be one more on the bottom....cant have everything

[hnda etr]

Originally Posted by wisniaPl i feel that those 2 bolts that are in the block wont hold there should be one more on the bottom....cant have everything

WTF? There are 3 bolts on the block ginger... Read the post!

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by nyghtryder I would imagine that the more tension you place on the engine the more likely youll feel the vibs, however you should be able to dial it in to almost zero vibs.

Yes if you play with the mount the vibes are almost zero, it only takes a few times getting it dialed in to zero vibes.

Originally Posted by wankular Nice writeup. How necessary is that little allen bolt? It seems tiny compared to the others.

It is smaller, but it will still hold over 12,000 psi. Its a grade 8 with matching lock nut so its doing its job.

Originally Posted by bioevolve Cuz he read my thread and added the peice lol.

We did add some additional part to the kit due to a few trying to "tighten" down the lock nut and bolt to bend the tabs in, they are not suppose to be tightend down like that and the new directions as well as parts detail this in the kit.

Originally Posted by wisniaPl i feel that those 2 bolts that are in the block wont hold there should be one more on the bottom....cant have everything

There are 3 bolts in the block and they are located right next to the 1/2 shaft and where it bolts into the block. Trust me, the amount of tq the 1/2 shaft places on the block in that location is no where near the tq that the motor moving around could generate. It very strong in that location, thus being the reason we decided to use this location for the mount.

Originally Posted by hnda etr WTF? There are 3 bolts on the block ginger... Read the post!

Yep, 3 bolts... hows the mount working out for you and what are your impressions so far? Remember, if you want to get rid of the wheel hop you will want to prelaod the mount .250 of an inch and work your way up from there to see if it get better or worse.

To everyone reading this thread.... you need one of these mount if your going to track your car or mount sticky tires to your rims. These make the biggest difference if you have sticky tires or you have slicks on the car. I would get track restults with the mount but we are closed until April of next year. I will let the others that have gotten the mount installed verfiy the gains from it.

[Erich]

Originally Posted by ptperformance There are 3 bolts in the block and they are located right next to the 1/2 shaft and where it bolts into the block. Trust me, the amount of tq the 1/2 shaft places on the block in that location is no where near the tq that the motor moving around could generate. It very strong in that location, thus being the reason we decided to use this location for the mount.

I think he meant much greater (or to reverse the sentence) not no where near.

[fjames]

the new directions as well as parts detail this in the kit.

Directions? I didn't get any directions.

[bioevolve]

1000+ miles so far.
Vibz have lessened about 40%-50%.
Vibz are tolerable, shifting engagement of the wheels/tires to the road are more solid.
Lauching is still better than before.

Still need a real traction bar setup for this car.

[kilik2]

Bio, do you haz track times with this new mm setup?
I am anxious to see what your 60 looks like now that you are putting more of that power down.

[Fobio]

Originally Posted by ptperformance Yes if you play with the mount the vibes are almost zero, it only takes a few times getting it dialed in to zero vibes.

Can someone pls elaborate on how to "play with the mount" to tune out vibes?

[bioevolve]

Hopefully this month or the next I will have track times. A group of us are going soon.
Don't forget I have air bags in the back coils, those should help out even more on the 60's.

Uhhhhh Air Lift Kit 1000

[toprock]

I think the great thing about this mount is that it's kinda like a "2nd string Motor Mount" or at least that's how I think of it. It balances out the weight on the engine, it puts less strain on the other three and if one of the original three do fail, you have this as a backup.

I'll pick one up in the spring. Car drives like turd in the winter anyways.

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by Fobio Can someone pls elaborate on how to "play with the mount" to tune out vibes?

As the engine sits, you bolt it up. At that setting that is least amount of vibs/tension.
But when you push or pull the engine with the heim joint adjusted out or in to match your push or pull setting, you will get more vibz.

Example:
Pulling the bottom of the motor toward the subframe, extend your heim joint. Will cause more vibs. Also in going the other way.

But like I mentions about leaving the engine where it sits and lining up the heim joint with that current space you have between the engine and subframe will give you least tension/vibz.

There is no lower vib setting than that. Unless you don't use it lol.

[Fobio]

I've gotten it installed now...less noisy than the medieval passeeger mount I had for awhile, but you can definitely feel some extra vibes at idle and decel...no problem by me, but I think it accentuates the secondary vibrations of doing the BSD.

car is much more sure footed...at least 50% less torque steer for me, and less hop...but it wasn't like I was hopping too bad before anyway now.

1st to 2nd and to 3rd shifts also seems smoother...

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by fjames Directions? I didn't get any directions.

Sorry there is a How To in our section on the mount.

Originally Posted by bioevolve 1000+ miles so far. Vibz have lessened about 40%-50%. Vibz are tolerable, shifting engagement of the wheels/tires to the road are more solid. Lauching is still better than before. Still need a real traction bar setup for this car.

Thanks for the update, so.... is it what you were expecting or did it let you down?

Originally Posted by Fobio Can someone pls elaborate on how to "play with the mount" to tune out vibes?

There is a heim joint on the mount, you can shorten or extend the mount to find the best location for the mount that causes the least amount of vibes.

Originally Posted by Fobio I've gotten it installed now...less noisy than the medieval passeeger mount I had for awhile, but you can definitely feel some extra vibes at idle and decel...no problem by me, but I think it accentuates the secondary vibrations of doing the BSD. car is much more sure footed...at least 50% less torque steer for me, and less hop...but it wasn't like I was hopping too bad before anyway now. 1st to 2nd and to 3rd shifts also seems smoother...

These are the results we like to see. Let everyone know that you got the mount and its doing what we stated it would do. Thanks.

[bioevolve]

Originally Posted by ptperformance Thanks for the update, so.... is it what you were expecting or did it let you down?

Well it didn't let me down, I like it. It does what it's supposed to do and then some.

I just want a four point link drag launch setup for daily driving lol.

[PureDrive]

Super back-from-the-dead bump. I just heard about this mount/part today and was wondering if more people have tried this mount? For any of the original posters in this thread who are still around, how has the mount held up? Any negative long term effects noticed?

[Erich]

Still as happy with it as I was day 1. My car has now dynoed at 640HP and been daily driven at 500+.

[bioevolve]

It was great when I had it on the car.