Order of operations mod eddition?

[UnamusedPunk]

Pretty new to the forums. I purchased a 09 Mazdaspeed3 about a month and a half ago with low milage (22k) and I have changed the transmission fluid to what the forum recomended from fords performance devision (wow it made a nice difference) and also threw on a cobb SRI.

Problem is, im really picky when it comes to how the car performs. In 5th gear and sometimes 4th with bad gasoline, i get power waves. Definitely from the cobb intake, and I wanted to know what to change on the car to get it to be smooth again. Am I forced to get a cobb access port and get it tuned?

I was thinking a TIP, and Exhaust but I don't want to exasperate the issue anymore. I was thinking of full turbo back exhaust, but I want to avoid throwing cells. Any recommendations? I just want safe power because it's also my daily.

[J'sSpeed3]

If you're thinking of getting a full turbo back exhaust you better plan on getting an AP as well. Save yourself the trouble and get an AP now, then fuel pump internals, then test pipe or full exhaust.

[mrtheandrew]

i know someone in here is hungry for brownies

[UnamusedPunk]

Originally Posted by J'sSpeed3 If you're thinking of getting a full turbo back exhaust you better plan on getting an AP as well. Save yourself the trouble and get an AP now, then fuel pump internals, then test pipe or full exhaust.

The stock fuel pump sucks? Will basic map from cobb fix the wavy power band if you go stage 1 first before applying it?

[tddvrrn]

i think a wavy power band might be an indication of a problem. i have no wavy power band, and i'm sure surging is a problem that has been discussed.. have you tried searching?

what makes you think the sri causes the surging? i'd take it off, put stock airbox on, and then see if it still is 'wavy'. if it is, then you have bigger issues to fix. if not, then it's the sri and i've no clue how you'd fix that..

you may, in fact, already need internals..

good luck

[J'sSpeed3]

Originally Posted by UnamusedPunk The stock fuel pump sucks? Will basic map from cobb fix the wavy power band if you go stage 1 first before applying it?

Most people upgrade the fuel pump internals as one of the first mods. Definitely upgrade before doing anything else especially if you are thinking of going with a downpipe. You definitely need an AP to monitor fuel pressure as well to make sure it's above 1600 at WOT. I can't speak for the stage 1 problem as I jumped to stage 2 right away.

[dooderek]

uh surge on k04 wtf?

[UnamusedPunk]

Originally Posted by tddvrrn i think a wavy power band might be an indication of a problem. i have no wavy power band, and i'm sure surging is a problem that has been discussed.. have you tried searching? what makes you think the sri causes the surging? i'd take it off, put stock airbox on, and then see if it still is 'wavy'. if it is, then you have bigger issues to fix. if not, then it's the sri and i've no clue how you'd fix that.. you may, in fact, already need internals.. good luck

It was deff after the SRI came on. I had the car for a while with stock airbox. Stock airbox isn't an option at the moment. I broke one of the brackets on the box when I was doing the installation.

I bought the car from the a friend. The milage is really low, and I know the guy personally. He's a MD and treated the car like a baby, it still smells new, looks brandnew, and runs like a champ. It might be bad fuel, california gets the short end of the stick when it comes to high octane.

I've searched at there are people with wavy power bands after SRI installation.

If not hopefully it blows before the warranty runs out in two years, at that point my other warranty kicks in. =D

Originally Posted by J'sSpeed3 Most people upgrade the fuel pump internals as one of the first mods. Definitely upgrade before doing anything else especially if you are thinking of going with a downpipe. You definitely need an AP to monitor fuel pressure as well to make sure it's above 1600 at WOT. I can't speak for the stage 1 problem as I jumped to stage 2 right away.

Alright, thanks. I'll check it out. Maybe i'll start stockpiling parts over the next couple months untill I can do it all at once.

[Pseud0logik]

Originally Posted by UnamusedPunk In 5th gear and sometimes 4th with bad gasoline, i get power waves. Definitely from the cobb intake, and I wanted to know what to change on the car to get it to be smooth again. Am I forced to get a cobb access port and get it tuned?

I know the feeling you're talking about. The COBB SRI was my first mod too and partial throttle acceleration wasn't smooth at all with just that one mod. A tune fixed the issue.

Originally Posted by UnamusedPunk The stock fuel pump sucks? Will basic map from cobb fix the wavy power band if you go stage 1 first before applying it?

It's well documented on these forums that you need to upgrade the pump before going stage2. But you should be fine on stage1 with the stock pump.

[mazdafreak]

Cobb ap, Fuel pump, cnt downpipe, intake/inlet, 50/50 w/ dizzy tune.....done.

[UnamusedPunk]

Originally Posted by Pseud0logik I know the feeling you're talking about. The COBB SRI was my first mod too and partial throttle acceleration wasn't smooth at all with just that one mod. A tune fixed the issue. It's well documented on these forums that you need to upgrade the pump before going stage2. But you should be fine on stage1 with the stock pump.

Thanks for the reafirment that im not crazy or that my cars not totally fucked up . I will research which one is best for my needs.

Originally Posted by mazdafreak Cobb ap, Fuel pump, cnt downpipe, intake/inlet, 50/50 w/ dizzy tune.....done.

you know what makes me dizzy? the acryms that come with joining a new car community forum ^_^.

[dooderek]

where do you live? nator so cal will fix your shit right up son

[Pseud0logik]

Originally Posted by UnamusedPunk you know what makes me dizzy? the acryms that come with joining a new car community forum ^_^.

You must have overlooked the stickie that explains all of them while you were diligently reading all the other stickies like a good brownie should.
Pre-School Decode Sheet

[mazdafreak]

Originally Posted by UnamusedPunk you know what makes me dizzy? the acryms that come with joining a new car community forum ^_^.

What was so confusing about that? Cobb ap ((tuning device)), fuel pump internal upgrade, cnt downpipe, intake and turbo inlet with a e85/93 mix with a dizzy tune ((by phate or bucker))

[omgheyitskenny]

^^ I don't think Cali has 93

[Pseud0logik]

Originally Posted by omgheyitskenny ^^ I don't think Cali has 93

It doesn't matter on a mix tune, 91 will work fine. Hell, I think Bucker even uses 87 in his car.

[UnamusedPunk]

Originally Posted by Daddy Chinkus where do you live? nator so cal will fix your shit right up son

The group seems like nice people. I just don't want some guy who thinks that his $350 coilovers are better than the stock setup telling me how to mod my car

Originally Posted by Pseud0logik You must have overlooked the stickie that explains all of them while you were diligently reading all the other stickies like a good brownie should. Pre-School Decode Sheet

boom goes the dynamite. that sticky is fantastic =D

Originally Posted by mazdafreak What was so confusing about that? Cobb ap ((tuning device)), fuel pump internal upgrade, cnt downpipe, intake and turbo inlet with a e85/93 mix with a dizzy tune ((by phate or bucker))

93 octane is aparently to good for us californians.

[dooderek]

Your talking to the fastest speed in california, like I says well have your shit running in no time

[UnamusedPunk]

Originally Posted by Daddy Chinkus Your talking to the fastest speed in california, like I says well have your shit running in no time

Nice, could sure use some help with boost gauge, oil temp, digi tach guage install. Too bad you're located in SD. Wheres closest meet?

[dooderek]

murrieta, check out the nator so cal section otherwise bring your car down for one day at my place, all gauges can we done with relative ease

[Whiteboy]

All Daddy Chinkus requires is buttsex...no worries, he hooked me and my car right up!

[Ferg]

why do you need a digital tach gauge?

[UnamusedPunk]

Originally Posted by Fergalicious why do you need a digital tach gauge?

I don't need any of them, but I like where you can program the perfect time to shift into it so it flashes green or what ever color the company chooses.

[Ferg]

get an ap. itll flash white at you telling you that you have hit your rev limit and to shift.

[SofaKingAwesome]

Originally Posted by Daddy Chinkus Your talking to the smallest peen in california, like I says well have your shit packed in no time

Fixed.

In all seriousness, you're in good hands with these guys.

[UnamusedPunk]

Is there no all-in-one mazdaspeed parts for sale section on this forum? I see the ones regionally.

[Whiteboy]

Originally Posted by UnamusedPunk Is there no all-in-one mazdaspeed parts for sale section on this forum? I see the ones regionally.

There is but you have to be VIP to use them. This keeps scammers away

[UnamusedPunk]

Originally Posted by Whiteboy There is but you have to be VIP to use them. This keeps scammers away

Cool, which mod do I contact to take off the VIP banner under my avatar. I donated and want access to that stuff, I just don't care for the banner.

[dooderek]

change your user groups to brown

[Pseud0logik]

That will work, but if you do it people won't stop telling you to donate every time you post, so I don't recommend it.

[UnamusedPunk]

Originally Posted by Pseud0logik That will work, but if you do it people won't stop telling you to donate every time you post, so I don't recommend it.

I guess i'll leave it. It'd be cool if our avatar file size limit was increased a little bit for VIPers

[Whiteboy]

Originally Posted by UnamusedPunk I guess i'll leave it. It'd be cool if our avatar file size limit was increased a little bit for VIPers

Shut that pie hole and enjoy the awesomeness you paid for...lol

[mrtheandrew]

i got groaned at by the guy who started a thread on running dual intercoolers. damn.

[UnamusedPunk]

so something really weird just happened. This weekend, in sunny socal I decided to take my friends to the beach, witha full car going up a hill at wide open throttle in fourth gear right at 5500 rpm, the car did a lurch forward and back then continued to go. it's like you dropped the clutch and the car did that jump. it didnt feel like transmission more like motor.

I called mazda and spoke with a tech and he said that this was prolly because of the fully load of people in my car, on a hot day, going up a hill and to try new gasoline and let them know if the problem persist, and that it was most likely the engine trying to protect its self from knocking.

well tonight I was driving and in fourth gear at WOT the same thing happened, the car did that jerk feeling right at 5500 rpm. Ive been using chevron fuel to rule out terrible gas.

I have a cobb SRI and thats the only mod on the car, it just ticked over 26k miles on the odo. do i need to install the stock airbox and take it in?

[Pseud0logik]

Does the jerk feel like you've hit a wall for a split second and then everything's fine again?

[UnamusedPunk]

Originally Posted by Pseud0logik Does the jerk feel like you've hit a wall for a split second and then everything's fine again?

yes? to an extent, i mean it doesnt feel like i ran into a brick wall but the car deff feels like u hit something and then everything is cosher.

[Pseud0logik]

That sounds like fuel/load cut. I had the same thing a few times before I got the AP. Always in 4th or 5th at high RPM under WOT.

[UnamusedPunk]

Originally Posted by Pseud0logik That sounds like fuel/load cut. I had the same thing a few times before I got the AP. Always in 4th or 5th at high RPM under WOT.

Is it bad fuel internals? does it need to be serviced? Or shitty stock tune? Don't they do R&D anymore. =[

I was hoping to put off the AP until i have the exhaust, the new internals, TP, TIP and do all at once

[BlewisMSF11']

Get internals or flash safemap, wavyness should go away

[Pseud0logik]

It's probably not your internals, but you would need logs to be sure. The stock tune isn't shitty because Mazda didn't do R&D, it's shitty because they had to make it conservative and safe. The stock tune isn't optimized for your intake, which is why you're getting load cut and jerky partial throttle acceleration. I would suggest getting an AP sooner rather than later, you can flash a stage1 map now and then go stage2 once you get your other parts installed.

EDIT: I don't recommend doing a bunch of mods at the same time anyway, it makes it difficult to tell how your car is reacting to each mod and also if something is wrong it's harder to isolate the issue.