PLEASE READ!!! NEED HELP ASAP Another Engine gone!

[RXMmazdaspeed]

long story short, the motor blew on me. i need it back to stock before taking it into the stealership. i have a Mazdaspeed CAI installed by the dealership, but want the stock intake just to be safe... i also have a PG test pipe and Corksport DP. all 3 must go and i need stock parts. anyone willing to trade for the stock parts + cost of shipping on my end, post in here or PM me immediately.

[TheDoc]

I'll trade you for all three. I've got stock air box, dp, and mid pipe. I can send out via UPS tomorrow.

I'll PM you.

[Unoriginalusername]

sorry to hear about your engine, but you still need pics and a sign before posting in the FS section. I've moved it for now so you can talk about your engine issues and then you can create a fs thread when the parts are off the car

[Darksun280]

jesus Christ another one?

[Lymerock]

not all blow ups are just by chance
imo 75% of the people going back to the dealership with engine troubles needs to own up, tell the dealership what was really on the car and go from there

you pay to play

intake, dp, midpipe and bov with no tune mentioned and everyone wants to just blame mazda and the rods

i feel sorry for the OP, but also its kinda lame that everyone tries their best to fool mazda service when they blow shit up, so then when johnny do good has a legit issue, they blow him off.

spade = spade

again, sorry for your loss

[Joshj84]

Shit I haven't blown and I'm not running a tune with almost every bolton imaginable... (watch as I post later I blew lol) And I drive =hard= every day in every gear...

[Unoriginalusername]

I had a FMIC, SRI, BPV, TBE, AP and never had any issues... as far as i know no cobb ap or flashed/tuned car has blown up. always seems to be the untuned cars that let go

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by Lymerock imo 75% of the people going back to the dealership with engine troubles needs to own up, tell the dealership what was really on the car and go from there

Now thats just stupid.....

[SgtP]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 Now thats just stupid.....

+1

[jhershorin]

Too be honest if this car is having issues with bolt ons blowing motors its mazdas fault. They designed a car and marketed it to the tuner. They provide after market parts (even though they suck - i.e. ms intake which needed to be updated) and expect people to keep them stock?

Small flow mods shouldnt add enough stress to change an oem tune or require enough of a change to need a tuning solution. On my turbo 3 I went through more changes of intercooler piping, downpipes, manifolds, exhausts and I had to fully tune the car myself and never ONCE did those changes show any change in AFR or EGT enough to cause a rod to bend or motor to go. Shit it wasnt even enough to make the engine knock even once.

I didn't know they marketed to the tuner...

They offered warrantied Mazdaspeed parts, given the intake isn't good at all, it's covered by Mazda, they don't have a Mazdaspeed DP, so why would it be their fault? A blow up because of their intake would be their fault. But we don't know for sure that's the problem because of the other parts installed.

[lidokrantz]

IMO bolt ons are not gonna blow this engine, and neither is not being tuned. A member on here Woosh certainly had no problems running his car well over 300 whp un tuned. The way i see it, the driver in most cases is driving this car wrong... the open/close loop issue. This car needs to be driven either in vacuum or in boost, not in-between and certainly not reved to redline all the time. My car is 2 years old and has been untuned with bolt-ons for 18 months...just drive it right.

[MTuning]

well its not marketing to the elderly crowd, thats for sure lol. IMO there shouldn't be any issues at all, with minor bolt ons or in stock form. It just wasn't built as well as it should from the factory.

btw OP lmk if you want to do the trade but I'm going to need you to ship your parts first to hold you to your end of the bargain...its a bit scammy even if you do have pics, plus no offense, your ride is down already so your not worried about the downtime.

[Lymerock]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 Now thats just stupid.....

care to elaborate, or would that be too difficult?


if a car blows under normal conditions, its the dealers fault
if there is a part on it that is deemed "for off road use only" and a failure could be related to the upgraded part...
mazda still should be at fault?

to the guy that makes the homemade CAI using parts from home depot that screws up his A/F so bad he blows his engine, is it mazda's fault for him being a twat?

should mazda just replace anything on the car for 36k miles regardless?
that would be a tough way to run a business


if you are going to say something is stupid, provide your insight, perhaps im wrong and you can sway me


to sgt P and your "+1", thanks for your brilliant post


If I blow my motor I dont expect to post up here and get people to cushion my fall. So excuse me if I dont extend motherly love to those who dont present a good case for mazda being at fault.

[arkenzo]

I'm not sure why Lymerock is being bashed, everything is he saying is truth, that is the hard core bottom line truth. It's immoral to modify and void your own warranty and when something bad happens, you give Mazda the bill. Isn't quite fair for them to have to pay for your fuck ups....I'm sure there are many modified cars out that have turbo/supercharger upgrades and have the facility/tuner shop that installed them , do any type of engine work or maintenance work.

Lymerock for president.

[Darksun280]

LOL @ both of you.

Hear that everybody? Everyone on this site should print up a running list of any modifications they have on there care and let there dealer and if there really feeling like a bleeding heart even Mazda USA know about them. Cause no matter what brakes it has something to do with your after market parts on the vehicle.

Lymerock for president and arkenzo for vice pres

I said it was stupid cause who in there right mind whether at fault or not would turn them self in to the dealer? what world you living in?

[Zeya]

You might want to leave that CAI on. If they installed it for you, and you bring the car in with a stock intake, they may get suspicious as to why the CAI that they installed is gone.

[kingpin748]

Originally Posted by Lymerock to sgt P and your "+1", thanks for your brilliant post

-1

Originally Posted by Darksun280 I said it was stupid cause who in there right mind whether at fault or not would turn them self in to the dealer? what world you living in?

+1

Mazda/dealerships clearly do whatever they can to void your warranty even under warranty conditions. Why shouldn't we play the game too?

I'm not a big fan or lying/stealing but we didn't make the rules of the game.

[arkenzo]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 LOL @ both of you. what world you living in?

You are an idiot, both your responses in this thread are stupid and you make no valid point, you're just sharing an opinion, that is all.

When someone installs a catless downpipe and an intake and possibly a bov and their engine pops or something is internally wrong with it, it is not Mazda's responsibility, how hard is that to comprehend? Mazda is selling you a vehicle with a warranty, that warranty is based on the vehicle condition when it leaves the factory/dealership. Any internal modification (downpipes/catless/bov/intakes/fmic) is at your own risk.

Am I saying that your downpipe cause your rain sensing windshield wipers to malfunction? No, so stop being a smart ass and acknowledge the facts.

I have a 3" Catless downpipe/midpipe and cobb sri and SSQV bpv and I know for a fact my warranty is void, despite that, I'm still going to modify it even further, I could care less about my warranty , I knew that when I purchased my first mod.

[Lymerock]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 LOL @ both of you. Hear that everybody? Everyone on this site should print up a running list of any modifications they have on there care and let there dealer and if there really feeling like a bleeding heart even Mazda USA know about them. Cause no matter what brakes it has something to do with your after market parts on the vehicle. Lymerock for president and arkenzo for vice pres I said it was stupid cause who in there right mind whether at fault or not would turn them self in to the dealer? what world you living in?

So, if the problem is truely not related to your mods, then leave them on and let the dealer fix the issue. Why would he feel the need to go back to stock if the mods to the car had no chance of harming the engine? Mazda cant prove the dp didnt damage the engine right?

What you are suggesting is that everyone if they have a problem should go back to stock and fool mazda, tell them you were completely stock, just cruising down the street listing to NPR and BOOM! Fabricating a story makes a game of this? see if you can pull one over on mazda? I dont get that game.

Mazda and many other car mfgs void shit left and right if they have any reason to think there may be foul play. Why? beacause so many people in the past have snuck one by and now they need to tighten the belt and voiding illegitmate claims is one way of stretching their dollar.

In my world, you take responsibilty for your actions.


Having an engine pop sucks, but I have yet to see a stock engine break a rod. Have you?

The MSP blew up often when people first started to mod it with simple bolt ons, does that mean that mazda shouldnt have made the car? Should have warned the owners to not mod it? Do I not have a point? I feel I do, but Id gladly read anything you have to sway my mind that inspires debate and not douchebaggery.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by Lymerock So, if the problem is truely not related to your mods, then leave them on and let the dealer fix the issue. Why would he feel the need to go back to stock if the mods to the car had no chance of harming the engine? Mazda cant prove the dp didnt damage the engine right? What you are suggesting is that everyone if they have a problem should go back to stock and fool mazda, tell them you were completely stock, just cruising down the street listing to NPR and BOOM! Fabricating a story makes a game of this? see if you can pull one over on mazda? I dont get that game. Mazda and many other car mfgs void shit left and right if they have any reason to think there may be foul play. Why? beacause so many people in the past have snuck one by and now they need to tighten the belt and voiding illegitmate claims is one way of stretching their dollar. In my world, you take responsibilty for your actions. Having an engine pop sucks, but I have yet to see a stock engine break a rod. Have you? The MSP blew up often when people first started to mod it with simple bolt ons, does that mean that mazda shouldnt have made the car? Should have warned the owners to not mod it? Do I not have a point? I feel I do, but Id gladly read anything you have to sway my mind that inspires debate and not douchebaggery.

People try not to leave any aftermarket parts on when they take cars to the dealer because the dealer is out for them selves at the end of the day not to help us out. Leaving parts on just distracts them from the main goal which is figure out what is wrong and just fix it. They get payed anyway when its warrantied right? Just like the dealer that voided me for a broken motor mount because I had a cobb sri on the car. I did exactly what you said we should all do and had faith the dealer could do there job and I got voided. Who's statements are full of fluff and nonsensical now mister ritous?

And to your other statement there are 3 guys with stock engines on 247 that threw rods out the block.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by arkenzo You are an idiot, both your responses in this thread are stupid and you make no valid point, you're just sharing an opinion, that is all. When someone installs a catless downpipe and an intake and possibly a bov and their engine pops or something is internally wrong with it, it is not Mazda's responsibility, how hard is that to comprehend? Mazda is selling you a vehicle with a warranty, that warranty is based on the vehicle condition when it leaves the factory/dealership. Any internal modification (downpipes/catless/bov/intakes/fmic) is at your own risk. Am I saying that your downpipe cause your rain sensing windshield wipers to malfunction? No, so stop being a smart ass and acknowledge the facts. I have a 3" Catless downpipe/midpipe and cobb sri and SSQV bpv and I know for a fact my warranty is void, despite that, I'm still going to modify it even further, I could care less about my warranty , I knew that when I purchased my first mod.

LOL cry cry. I don't even have to shred you up nobody listens to what you have to say anyway hahahahaha. Carry on as you were little boy...

[4thStroke]

Too be honest if this car is having issues with bolt ons blowing motors its mazdas fault. They designed a car and marketed it to the tuner.

Try run a Subie with a FMIC, intake, TBE, and more boost. Its not going to last long. The TBE along is capable of ruining a flat 4.

Many people have been lucky to run a boosted car for as long as they have with all the bolt ons in the world without having a problem. There are not many factory turbo cars that are capable of this. We have been spoiled. And unfortunatly, tuning this thing has been a bitch because of this.

[Lymerock]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 Who's statements are full of fluff and nonsensical now mister ritous? And to your other statement there are 3 guys with stock engines on 247 that threw rods out the block.

i think you mean righteous, assuming you do, I can tell you im no saint. Not even close.

Either way, We can agree to disagree, I dont need you to see my point of view.

I hope the OP gets a new engine, but if he doesnt, I wont tell him im sorry.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by Lymerock i think you mean righteous, assuming you do, I can tell you im no saint. Not even close. Either way, We can agree to disagree, I dont need you to see my point of view. I hope the OP gets a new engine, but if he doesnt, I wont tell him im sorry.

OH now you hope he gets a new motor but your first post in this thread was that basically he shouldn't cause he had mods on the car. If your going to make a stand make a stand don't flip flop.

[RUMBLEFISH]

So what I am reading is this car could possibly blow up with a Forge BPV and a Cobb SRI installed in it and I could also void the warranty for putting on a rear engine mount. Granted the Cobb I have on order will be awhile and I told PG to ship the Forge along with it but this just bothers me. I bought the group buy on the Map Clamp and MBC but I will for sure not install those until after warrant is out. I'm getting more scared by the day reading about these blown engines.

Dont mind me just venting is all.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by RUMBLEFISH So what I am reading is this car could possibly blow up with a Forge BPV and a Cobb SRI installed in it and I could also void the warranty for putting on a rear engine mount. Granted the Cobb I have on order will be awhile and I told PG to ship the Forge along with it but this just bothers me. I bought the group buy on the Map Clamp and MBC but I will for sure not install those until after warrant is out. I'm getting more scared by the day reading about these blown engines. Dont mind me just venting is all.

In theory any aftermarket parts you put on the car has the potential to void your warranty.

[kraz3y]

sheesh this thread turned into a battle lol...

to the OP goodluck with your car...i believe you should keep the mazdaspeed cai since the dealership installed it for you...

as for going to the dealership with mods...my dealership has already seen my mods like 10 times they know whats going on...i jus put my car back to stock so it makes the work easier for them (or atleast thats what they told me)

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by kraz3y sheesh this thread turned into a battle lol... to the OP goodluck with your car...i believe you should keep the mazdaspeed cai since the dealership installed it for you... as for going to the dealership with mods...my dealership has already seen my mods like 10 times they know whats going on...i jus put my car back to stock so it makes the work easier for them (or atleast thats what they told me)

lymerock and arkeno think you shouldn't have got a new motor either. According to them you should have done the honorable thing and left all your mods on there and taken it to the dealer. So that your still able to sleep at night I would pack all the mods you have into a big box and take it over to the dealer and ask them if anything in that box caused your motor to blow. If they say even maybe you should then offer to pay the dealer the 8300 dollars they qouted you for the new motor out of pocket. Its the right thing to do....

[RUMBLEFISH]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 lymerock and arkeno think you shouldn't have got a new motor either. According to them you should have done the honorable thing and left all your mods on there and taken it to the dealer. So that your still able to sleep at night I would pack all the mods you have into a big box and take it over to the dealer and ask them if anything in that box caused your motor to blow. If they say even maybe you should then offer to pay the dealer the 8300 dollars they qouted you for the new motor out of pocket. Its the right thing to do....

All I can say is LOL.

[kingpin748]

If Mazda will void a warranty based on a aftermarket MM then why should I feel bad about removing mods to get warranty?

If Mazda will void a suspension warranty based on a a CBE then why should I feel bad about removing mods to get warranty?

If Mazda will void a MM warranty based on a a SRI then why should I feel bad about removing mods to get warranty?

I'm understand the position of some of the guys here but Mazda's not playing fair to begin with. Why should I?

[kraz3y]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 lymerock and arkeno think you shouldn't have got a new motor either. According to them you should have done the honorable thing and left all your mods on there and taken it to the dealer. So that your still able to sleep at night I would pack all the mods you have into a big box and take it over to the dealer and ask them if anything in that box caused your motor to blow. If they say even maybe you should then offer to pay the dealer the 8300 dollars they qouted you for the new motor out of pocket. Its the right thing to do....

shiett....helll noo

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by kingpin748 If Mazda will void a warranty based on a aftermarket MM then why should I feel bad about removing mods to get warranty? If Mazda will void a suspension warranty based on a a CBE then why should I feel bad about removing mods to get warranty? If Mazda will void a MM warranty based on a a SRI then why should I feel bad about removing mods to get warranty? I'm understand the position of some of the guys here but Mazda's not playing fair to begin with. Why should I?

Cause Its the right thing to do. How can you even look your self in the mirror in the morning with an attitude like that towards Mazda USA and the dealers? Lyme and Arkenzo are the only two decent human beings left on this site I can see. Well theres about to be 3 decent human beings left cause I'm calling Mazda USA RIGHT NOW and letting them know every mod I have on my car so if in the future if my motor blows they will judge me appropriately and if they see fit even void my warranty.....wait a second... hold on.... Oh that's right, they already VOIDED my drivetrain warranty for a intake when my motor fell out the car. Well at least for a second there I was considering doing the right thing. Hopefully its just the thought that counts. When my second warranty kicks in I'll turn my self in then I promise. I won't be able to sleep easy at night until I do what these two random guys on the internet told me to do thats for sure.

[NYpest]

lol @ phil

[ztuner]

i think car companies should stop all adds where they show race cars zooming around tracks. They also need to make customers sign disclaimers stating that oil change reciepts and dealer service REQUIRED if you don't want your warranty voided instead of hiding that fact deep in the warranty manual. Lets see how many "zoom zoom" Mazdas sell then.

[gtlaw]

Originally Posted by RXMmazdaspeed long story short, the motor blew on me. i need it back to stock before taking it into the stealership. i have a Mazdaspeed CAI installed by the dealership, but want the stock intake just to be safe... i also have a PG test pipe and Corksport DP. all 3 must go and i need stock parts. anyone willing to trade for the stock parts + cost of shipping on my end, post in here or PM me immediately.

care to elaborate on the conditions under which your engine blew, and the resulting damage?

[kingpin748]

Originally Posted by gtlaw care to elaborate on the conditions under which your engine blew, and the resulting damage?

He should probably just drop it for now until he gets the yah or nay from Mazda about the engine.

[Darksun280]

yup yup

[CSlater21]

Originally Posted by gtlaw care to elaborate on the conditions under which your engine blew, and the resulting damage?

That is the real question. I agree, you run the risk when you install aftermarket parts on your vehicle. It is as simple as that, but in my opinion, 75% or more of these engine issues/blows are caused by the driver, not the car.

The old saying is the best mod you can put on a car is to become a better driver. It is the best bang for the buck mod out there, but it can also be the worst. By human nature we don't like to admit our own flaws/mistakes. I think at the core of all this arguing is the struggle of right or wrong.

The OP has never said what or why the engine blew. Everyone just jumped on the train and starts assuming....

Question of the day.... Why and what exactly blew?

[Darksun280]

I personally know people you step on 6th gear at like 45 miles perhour and ride it out or use it to get up to speed. the Cars ECU trys to hold 14's no matter what in 6th for a WHILE cause it s a cruising gear. Only time i've seen it act like the other gears is WOT and above a certain RPM