power for built guys

[cbspeed3]

just wanted to know what kind of power you built guys are puttin down anyone getting above 350/350????????

[SPD6Tuner]

Several of us are puttind down 350, but just having a built motor doesnt really net you much horsepower. Its all the other aftermarket parts like the exhaust, intake, intercooler, and most importantly bigger turbo.

[subparpunk03]

From what I've gleaned from posts primarily by 06speed6, the restriction once you go big turbo / built engine is the throttle body and intake manifold. A stock bottom end can probably break 350 if those parts are replaced... for a little while at least.

[glocK23]

Isn't fuel a problem as well?

[Fagwagon]

Originally Posted by glocK23 Isn't fuel a problem as well?

Yes fuel is a big problem

[TXspeed3]

D.I. FTL

[DCLXVI]

it comes down to money. i dont think theres been anyone who has been able to really do it big at once, i'm waiting for someone with tons of money to spend to buy a stocker and overhaul it all at once with a protune etc. you need like 12k to do everything at the same time, but in the end it will still blow up because mazda cant fix a plastic fucking valve. we need Eddie Van Halen dude, if we're ever going to have a most triumphant vehicle.

[SSinstaller]

Originally Posted by DCLXVI it comes down to money. i dont think theres been anyone who has been able to really do it big at once, i'm waiting for someone with tons of money to spend to buy a stocker and overhaul it all at once with a protune etc. you need like 12k to do everything at the same time, but in the end it will still blow up because mazda cant fix a plastic fucking valve. we need Eddie Van Halen dude, if we're ever going to have a most triumphant vehicle.

I did it all at once--am doing it. Car's been in the shop since last October should be done soon....

[cbspeed3]

i know it takes more than a built motor to get those numbers,i was just curious to see if it is worth it to build my motor or trade for something else,if i can get 350/350 reliablely i think i will keep the car,that is why i was asking,thanks guys for the input

also worried about fuel,that was my main reason for posting this,but would vivids fuel mod address higher hp numbers,i guess what i mean is can we hit about 350/350 with the fuel resraints we have

[nighthawk358]

whoosh hit 38x awhp on his ms6 with mbc, map clamp and gt35r

[7mileshome]

12k.... haha. Right now, it will take alot more than 12k just to get 350whp. I know. Personally.

Edit: Reliable whp.

[cbspeed3]

yes i have seen a few guys at those numbers(props to them all)just trying to get as many opinions as possible,just want to make sure before i make up my mind

i think i may be able to do it for under 12k,if not it might not be worth doing

[JMEngineer]

I don't know what's taking so long to get a lot of parts on the market (secondary injection system, throttle body, intake manifold, high lift cams, etc...)

With the resources the tuning companies have, all that stuff should have been out a long time ago and we should be able to make a lot more power than 350.

Socks is making over 400 with nitrous

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by DCLXVI it comes down to money. i dont think theres been anyone who has been able to really do it big at once, i'm waiting for someone with tons of money to spend to buy a stocker and overhaul it all at once with a protune etc. you need like 12k to do everything at the same time, but in the end it will still blow up because mazda cant fix a plastic fucking valve. we need Eddie Van Halen dude, if we're ever going to have a most triumphant vehicle.

LOL this is funny NO ONE has thrown more money at this car then Randy and in second place is Robbie. Damn man you people just reset and forget all the events that took place up to the current date......

[sleeperstang1994]

Originally Posted by Fagwagon Yes fuel is a big problem

hold shit dont tell P3...

[KoukiS14]

Two of the local guys are putting down over 350 whp with their 3071s on stock internals. I suspect Dustin will eventually dyno over 400 whp with his current setup and the DCR manifold. Anyone not making 400 whp with a built motor and big turbo needs testicles as their next mod.

[DCLXVI]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 LOL this is funny NO ONE has thrown more money at this car then Randy and in second place is Robbie. Damn man you people just reset and forget all the events that took place up to the current date......

i dont recall them doing it all at once. i remember it being a test and go as you go situation. im talking about going from stock to turbo kitted with all the fixings in one shot. NO ONE has done that. this isnt fast and furious. a crashed supra cannot be built in a 45 second montage lol. but i bet a shop could fully bolt on and tune a speed in 7 days like overhaulin or street customs, 12k in parts, not including labor btw.

[IshiKage]

Originally Posted by JMEngineer I don't know what's taking so long to get a lot of parts on the market (secondary injection system, throttle body, intake manifold, high lift cams, etc...) With the resources the tuning companies have, all that stuff should have been out a long time ago and we should be able to make a lot more power than 350. Socks is making over 400 with nitrous

VIVID is on that...they dont want to half ass anything. they want to come wout with a complete product when released

[SSinstaller]

Originally Posted by DCLXVI i dont recall them doing it all at once. i remember it being a test and go as you go situation. im talking about going from stock to turbo kitted with all the fixings in one shot. NO ONE has done that. this isnt fast and furious. a crashed supra cannot be built in a 45 second montage lol. but i bet a shop could fully bolt on and tune a speed in 7 days like overhaulin or street customs, 12k in parts, not including labor btw.

You'd be looking at 12K in labor if you expect it to be done in a week...lol

[stealthspeed6]

Originally Posted by nighthawk358 whoosh hit 38x awhp on his ms6 with mbc, map clamp and gt35r

wasn't built and he had more than those.

[JMEngineer]

IMO, the only reason to build right now is for reliability. I think the stock block can handle more than 350whp safely once the restrictions and fueling are taken care of. Until then, you're pretty much limited by those things whether you're built or not.

[nighthawk358]

well of course, he was fully bolted but his motor wasn't built just whoosh powered

[madvillain]

Originally Posted by DCLXVI it comes down to money. i dont think theres been anyone who has been able to really do it big at once, i'm waiting for someone with tons of money to spend to buy a stocker and overhaul it all at once with a protune etc. you need like 12k to do everything at the same time, but in the end it will still blow up because mazda cant fix a plastic fucking valve. we need Eddie Van Halen dude, if we're ever going to have a most triumphant vehicle.

haha robbie definitely comes to mind.. except he kind of failed with all of that money in that car. well, he didnt have $12k worth of success is for sure... whats going on with that anyways?

[bf360]

Originally Posted by KoukiS14 Two of the local guys are putting down over 350 whp with their 3071s on stock internals. I suspect Dustin will eventually dyno over 400 whp with his current setup and the DCR manifold. Anyone not making 400 whp with a built motor and big turbo needs testicles as their next mod.

You just told a lot of speed guys they need balls lol

Originally Posted by KoukiS14 Two of the local guys are putting down over 350 whp with their 3071s on stock internals. I suspect Dustin will eventually dyno over 400 whp with his current setup and the DCR manifold. Anyone not making 400 whp with a built motor and big turbo needs testicles as their next mod.

ahh the mysterious local guys, lets see some of these cars

[spiker98]

04 SRT-4= 10,000
Stage 2 setup=4,000
Total cost=$14,000
--------------------
400whp+


Mazdaspeed 3/6=28,000
Stage 3= 14,000
Total cost=$42,000
----------------------
380-400whp....

Cost for not driving a Neon= Losing + $28,000



...ugh

[_Toxic_]

Originally Posted by spiker98 04 SRT-4= 10,000 Stage 2 setup=4,000 Total cost=$14,000 -------------------- 400whp+ Mazdaspeed 3/6=28,000 Stage 3= 14,000 Total cost=$42,000 ---------------------- 380-400whp.... Cost for not driving a Neon= Losing + $28,000 ...ugh

But who wants to drive a Neon??! Crappy car! Take a 450hp tuned Neon/SRT4 and a stock speed3 out on the track the MS3 will still win all day!!

[Scatt Nasty]

Originally Posted by KoukiS14 Two of the local guys are putting down over 350 whp with their 3071s on stock internals. I suspect Dustin will eventually dyno over 400 whp with his current setup and the DCR manifold. Anyone not making 400 whp with a built motor and big turbo needs testicles as their next mod.

two retarded statements in one post. Wouldn't expect anything less from someone wearing a gold star.

so what happens when someone makes a TB, IM, and direct port fuel and this car still fails ?
Is everyone going to sell their car ?

[JMEngineer]

Originally Posted by spiker98 04 SRT-4= 10,000 Stage 2 setup=4,000 Total cost=$14,000 -------------------- 400whp+ Mazdaspeed 3/6=28,000 Stage 3= 14,000 Total cost=$42,000 ---------------------- 380-400whp.... Cost for not driving a Neon= Losing + $28,000 ...ugh

Used 1990 300zx-tt with only 40,000 miles and a freshly rebuilt stage 4+ engine = $14,000
BIG turbo setup = $3,000
-------------------------
1200whp for $17,000

I know I got really lucky on that one. I never did the big turbo but the previous owner had one on there and dyno'd over 1200 uncorrected, then rebuilt the engine and put a smaller turbo on for ~800whp. I bought it with stock turbos, still making over 400whp.

You just can't compare cars that way.

MS3/6 = very nice, reasonably priced car that also has good power
SRT4 = pure fail with a good engine stuffed in it

NOT driving a neon = priceless

[KoukiS14]

Originally Posted by bf360 You just told a lot of speed guys they need balls lol ahh the mysterious local guys, lets see some of these cars

I'm glad somebody actually caught that and had the balls to say something. Bravo! LOL!

It's just friendly kidding intended to prompt people to action, but I do think this car has more potential than is currently being exploited. I also think that the fuel and flow restrictions that a lot of people think are the limiting factors aren't as low as most people think they are. I think the stock manifold and fuel system are adequate for 400 whp.

I also think that trepidation about the possibility of blowing a very expensive motor on a relatively new car is the current real limiting factor preventing us from seeing 400+ whp from the cars out there that have the mods to support it. I can't fault anybody for that, really, I just want to see the 400+ whp dyno charts soon.

As far as the mysterious locals, they post here. One is djuosnteisn, and the other is MSP6COP. Djuosnteisn made 357/353, and MSP6COP made 343/352 with a boost leak and OTS tune. MSP6COP has since fixed the boost leak and done some ATR tuning, and the MAF g/s increases indicate that he's well past 350 whp now. Also, firestonemazda on mazda6club made 356/365 on his 2871, although he's farther away, and not a local. Djuosnteisn has hit over 300 MAF g/s with a bit of boost creep on a cold morning. The ricer math on that calculates to about 409 whp! That was with no knock, good AFRs, and a rising MAF curve that was just begging for more boost than the 23 psi it crept to. Djuosnteisn has the right kind of innovation and bravado that it takes to push his car to the next level. From the work I see by some members on this forum, I know there are others capable and willing too. It's just a matter of time.

Originally Posted by Scatt Nasty two retarded statements in one post. Wouldn't expect anything less from someone wearing a gold star. so what happens when someone makes a TB, IM, and direct port fuel and this car still fails ? Is everyone going to sell their car ?

Yeah, I'm special like that!

As far as this car failing, development with the MZR motor is really still in its infancy. I think 350+ will be extremely commonplace in the not too disant future, and 400+ on stock motors will not be uncommon at all. With the mods you speak of, I think 500+ will happen on this car sometime in 2010. Then they'll probably sell it and move on to the next challenge.

[socks]

oh hi. im still here.

433whp/440wtq

kthx

expecting at LEAST 450whp/500wtq once the new fuel pumps go in. Drop my 12.0-12.5:1 AFR to an 11.0-11.5:1 on nitrous and should make gobs more torque, and a nice lil bump in power.

[Decepticon]

Originally Posted by socks oh hi. im still here. 433whp/440wtq kthx expecting at LEAST 450whp/500wtq once the new fuel pumps go in. Drop my 12.0-12.5:1 AFR to an 11.0-11.5:1 on nitrous and should make gobs more torque, and a nice lil bump in power.

details pls...pics, graph, videos... anything?

[socks]

its in the dyno section...

8.8:1 Compression
GT3071r
125shot (although i think it would have made the same power on smaller jets due to lack of fuel)

[Decepticon]

Originally Posted by socks its in the dyno section... 8.8:1 Compression GT3071r 125shot (although i think it would have made the same power on smaller jets due to lack of fuel)

sorry...i saw that thread before, i just forgot ur name...that car is a beast..

[dan7225]

trade for another car.

[socks]

Originally Posted by dan7225 trade for another car.

some people will just never get it.....

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by socks some people will just never get it.....

i know right. I need to go to the dyno to back up my EVO video.

[802MS3]

Originally Posted by StreetUnitMark i know right. I need to go to the dyno to back up my EVO video.

doooooo it. naow.

[cbspeed3]

wasnt trying to leave u out socks,i just wanted to know if someone did it on just fuel,no meth no nitro,but props to u highest numbers ive seen yet
i dont want to trade my car i lovr the little wagon,so guye keep the comments coming thanks everyone

[bf360]

personally if your even thinking about building this car at this point in time i would have a nitrous setup number one on my list, no way in hell would i build it for 350, if i built it 450whp would be the minimum goal, 350whp is stock block shit

[jus10]

I wish I had over 400 whp