There she blows!!!!
 

Well here is a final update on my car. At 1230pst I was exiting a local Game Stop after purchasing the new COD World at War(sweet game by the way) When KAAABBBOOOMMMM! Motor pops right around 3000rpm. I pull into at local bank and dont even need to inspect the damn thing I knew exactly what happened. But I did.....cylinder three has a nice hole on the backside. Fun stuff huh. So there you have it, problem solved. MrLilguy you were right but in my eyes it probably wouldnt have mattered. Such a shitty situation right now, I dont know what to do. I do know this I will be parting out every piece of my car minus the wheels, suspension and exhaust.

Its been fun guys.

wow, the first AP disaster! Ok, so what happened before the the dreaded noise began to occur? That was what, 3 weeks ago or so?

O.o

dibs on ss and bushings
were you in boost at 3000rpm? partial throttle?

I'm sorry to hear about this man. Hit me up on my cell, you have my number.

thats just wronggggggg:saevilw:

Build up your motor! don't throw in the towel, reealy sorry to hear thought that reeeeally sucks

thats awful to hear man.. what a shitty situation.

Did you over rev it, causing the rod bearing to fail or to thick of oil?

im still guessing low rpm, boost
im 100 confident that a 18psi k04 will blow this motor before a 18psi gt35

This sucks. It looks like we have to build just to play.

Well if you can make it past 6000 miles, than i will agree.

It was raining and I wasnt in boost. This is one day after picking up my car from the shop with what was suspected as a clutch/flywheel issue. It had brand new oil in it.....I just checked the levels 10 days ago....same day as it started having problems. Yep I guess I am the first AP car....shitty.

What are you gonna do? This is the first stock turbo CDFP upgraded car to pop right?

that sucks
sorry to hear

wow man sorry to hear, but with bad luck comes good luck man

I think there needs to be a class action lawsuit against mazda for putting in such shitty rods and engine mounts.

can u describe exactly what was happening from the point where u pulled out of gamestop to the rod going? like pulling out slow, what boost, what gear, what throttle.....

P.S. dont forget to add yourself to the blown engine stickie

Sorry to hear that, the bunch of us that guessed transmission were wrong.

I will have to keep an ear out for this noise. Got me sweating now.

scary stuff. this sucks man, sorry to hear it :(. any more details about the noises/incident?

what map were you running?

damn it all. Well now it leaves one of us meth users to pop to realize no one is safe....

it has to be a tuning issue I run STUPID amounts of boost and race my car 4 nights a week. Damn t it seems like we're all on borrowed time.......

Well you dont develop rod knock from any kind of tuning...

rod bearing failure occurs when you over rev a car, lack of lubrication, to thick of oil. weak bearings from the get go, etc. Its very hard to isolate such incidents.

Wassup brought up an interesting point about people using WOT boxes and the hell it can bring to a cylinder, lubrication, etc. I really hate seeing people blow because they usually ditch the platform and move on. We have some really cool people in this community and i hate seeing them go.

if u read the blown engine stickie, 9/10 people were in closed loop when they went boom...

Scott (IDRVSLO) is definitely one of the people you're talking about. Over the last year or so, I've gotten to know him, and it's really sad seeing this happen to him, he's had nothing but love for this car since day 1. I really hope this doesn't encourage him to get rid of the MS3, but I can understand why he would.

Ouch,

$1100 on the clutch work and now this.
I feel you pain.

What MAP were you running when the noise started the first time?

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
even with tuning cars are blowing wtf?! makes me wanna go back to stock and sell

Check your dash hawk people aren't in closed loop as much as they think. its the O P and L and the bottom right of the 4 pid screens. I will say this though some weird shit happens around 2800-3400 rpms.......

OUCHY! Sorry to hear that!:chairshot:

I always wait till 3000+ to punch it, but this scares me...badly.

I know I've seen it in another thread before, what what do the O, P, and L mean? I assume "O" is open, but the rest?

Fuel System Status (C = Closed Loop, O = Open Loop, L = Open Loop due to Engine Load, F = Open Loop due to a Failure/Trouble
Code, P = Closed Loop with Problems, - = Data...

I got that from NYpest

You'll mainly see L when WOT, O on cold starts and O on decel out of gear and C on decel in gear I may have those last two mixed just check for yourself. when you cost out of gear and speed reaches like below 10-5 mph car switchs to O loop I believe so if your tooling around out of gear put it in gear and punch it you may get that weird transition crap. Same goes for a 30-40 2nd gear roll if your one of those dudes who like to cost in neutral then pop the clutch on the third honk. What I'm saying isn't set in stone but watch your hawk you'll see.

Sorry about your motor.

crash the car and claim insurance. lol

sorry to hear the bad news. keep me in mind on the part out. dibs on the pg manifold

I'm sorry to hear about all this. I think we all feel for you. It would be interesting to know what went wrong ... obviously something to do with that noise and engine wise it points to the thrust bearings if it was clutch related.

Are you going to tear it down?

that sucks and i feel for you but i call dibs on the corksport dp and rp

lol whats he gona do roll it into a pole? id love to see someone total a car at 5mph lol

We do have a lot of hills here in Seattle... hmmm :33:


And damn, what's with all the vultures?! The car hasn't even been down 24 hours yet! Give the man time to grieve!

The corksport has no cat, the cbe is custom vs. the common cobb/cpe, custom ic with unknown flow vs. the maps for cobb/cpe and an exhaust manifold.

I feel bad that his engine blew, but thats alot of mods outside the spec of the cobb maps so i don't think you can blame the tune

I think he worked with Christian to get a custom tune because of his liquid/air IC. So it's not a 100% OTS map.

i think all of these responses are silly. as I already said, and as he's already mentioned, there was clearly something wrong with the rotating assembly. the clutch/flywheel wasn't bad, it was even examined, but something was causing excessive vibrations in the clutch pedal, even at idle - eliminating the possibility of software or boost. i've been there, ms3guy22 has been there, and maybe others...

at the moment of kaboom, this had nothing to do with software, boost, part-throttle or open/closed loop... something was MECHANICALLY WRONG - and he knew it, but the problem wasn't isolated or fixed in time.

something was causing excessive imbalance of the crankshaft, which then goes to the clutch, pressure plate, and slave cylinder, where the vibrations were felt.

i'm sorry to hear you popped, but sadly, I thought it was coming. If you need a built longblock I've got one for you for less than $3500 shipped.

hang in there.

3500 shipped, hmmm. I need to sell off some stuff first. Please PM me with more info. Thanks everyone for there support. BTW I want to clear this up also. THIS WAS NOT THE TUNES FAULT AND IT SURE AS HECK WASNT CHRISTIANS OR COBBS.

IDRVSLO Question for ya. I can't remember if it was your thread before. I'll have to dig around, but did you have a ticking sound coming from your engine? And you thought it was your flywheel? I'm trying to remember who/where I saw this thread. Anyways, I might be in your boat too!

Yup, today... I drove around all day looking for... (same as you) CoD World at War. I did launch the car (first time in a very very long time) from a dead stop. No problems. But on the way to work, on a usual route that I get on it hard... Well, after I ran the car hard through 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear, I was coming up to a stop light. Started to push the clutch in and felt the clutch pedal vibrating. I turned off the music and thought I heard a ticking sound. Pulled into the parking lot at work, and my engine was ticking. So I'm thinking either spun rod bearing or dual mass flywheel problem. Either way, got the car home and it's parked till I figure all this out. I guess I'll open up my own thread. But if you have any input, or if this sound familiar, please chime in. Thanks...

I'm disgusted. Don't drive. tow it to a shop, order some rods and pistons, bearings, and 3k in labor, and then drive again. its cheaper than having holes in your shitty aluminum block.

PM sent.

I'm gonna park it under the drive port and pull the oil pan off hopefully by this weekend. Maybe pull the tranny if I have time. But I will not be driving it till all is said and done. Of course I knew the risk of all this. I'm fully bolted with the GT28 at 20psi. On that 19.8psi was the peak. It'll take time though. I go to school full time and work part time. So we'll see. Thanksgiving is coming up. So I'll have tons of time then.

how much for cbe??

Very very sorry to hear this man, i hope you will be able to fix her up and decide whats best after that. good luck....
seems like folks should give this guy some time to chill..before asking for his mods. If this was my car. i would surely need some time to think about the correct path at this point. Seems like he needs our support.

For sure.

I doubt you'll have to drop the transmission. Put cyl 1 at TDC and inspect the rods in cyl 1 and 4. Then 2 at TDC and inspect 2 and 3.

thats interesting that it blew at 3000rpm. iirc was it y2kcoyboy that blew his engine at 3000rpm at like 30mph on a conservative tune? hmm i wonder whats going on here???.....

It's an engine that's driven hard. Some will let go. It's not rocket science and it's not uncommon. It's unfortunate but everyone here knows that a 4 cylinder engine driving over 300whp daily won't last as long as a civic putting down 80whp and never driven over 4000 RPM.

Thanks for the advice. Will do.

As for the comment on 3000rpms, I think someone mentioned something about harmonics or something at that range might have something to do with it. But this was awhile ago in another thread. Might be the blown engine resource thread....

P3 can build your engine for sure.

I can vouch for them :D

Sorry to hear OP it sucks bad

So wait vibes in the clutch pedal mean what? I have been getting some bad vibes in the clutch pedal but no ticking i was thinking maybe a motor mount. It comes and goes and it vibes only at start of the pedal push. please dont scare me. But please help.

Oh.... No..... Fuck... I liked your car alot. So original. But damn, DONT GIVE UP !!

I started my own thread here. http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...e-ticking.html But as for my vibes.... If I just slightly press or touch the clutch pedal, I can feel vibrations coming from it. And it's constant vibes. The engine ticks regardless of clutch pressed in or out. The vibes feel like a pulsing like something is out of balance. And it increases as the rpms increase. I'm thinking if it's not a rod bearing, it might be a very slightly bent rod. I'm starting to move away from the flywheel idea to the rod idea. The clutch operates just fine. No slipping. No grinding. No problem. Just the vibes.

Mine vibes too when I first push it in from a high speed. I'd like to say almost everyone's will alittle bit judging what i've heard people say.....

jimmy can you get a video of this ticking?

Uhh... I don't want to start the car again... haha. It's very audible, NOT normal disi bs. It's as I've stated in my thread. I'll try and record the sound when I move the car under the drive port this weekend. But that'll be the very last time the car will be started until my rods are replaced. Take a quarter and tap the hood of your car. It sounds like that. Or just say tick tick tick tick tick out loud. Sounds just like that.

My friend totaled a car at less than 5mph....

He was driving across Oklahoma with a Jacked up Dodge 3500 Cummins. He was tired and pulled into a Walmart parking lot. He evidently forgot to put the truck in park and fell asleep with his foot on the brake.

He woke up to the truck shaking and the front end in the air.. scared the shit out of him.

Come to find out, his foot slipped off the pedal, and the truck idled across the parking lot and literally climbed on top of a Ford Probe...

The front tires caved in the roof of the car and totaled it.... :laugh2:

man sorry to hear what happened =/

i blew my engine @ 3k too ughhh i wanna build my engine too...jus sucks cuz its hard for me to come up with the money for that sigh'

i think its silly when people claim to miss gears when they blow engines:spankme:

im not saying his car blew that very second cause of partial throttle low rpm boost....im saying over time, it caused it to blow.

Name 1 gt35 that blew up besides mark from loosing a hose and boosting 30

Where is everyone getting the idea that low rpm boost is an engine killer? Every turbo engine designer does everything in their power to get boost on at as low an rpm as possible to make the car drive better. The smoother the transition from vacuum to boost, and lower in the RPM range, the better the car drives. If your running the car in the stock configuration, this should be of no concern. If there is a problem causing engine failure during low rpm boost then it's an inherent design flaw that needs to be fixed.

sorry to hear about your car man. love to see you pick jons motor up tho....and join the built motor crowd:)

I'd like to know how many stock engines have blown. From what I've seen the ones that have blown have been modded perhaps beyond what the motor was designed for and the results are to be expected really. It really is just a matter of time before they destroy turbo seals causing smoke or worse as we've seen.

i think everyone is getting to worked up about this. as long as you take preventive measures and like most of us monitor things with a dashhawk and what not you will be ok. i mean look at laloosh and whoosh, both running gt35's no problems. also there are several others running tons of mods and dont have problems.

it sucks when your motor blows but idrvslo had a problem that apparently was bigger than he thought and then boom it happens.

i dont think they have to be stock or modded. i've talked to my dealer and he said they have had a few stock ones in for blown motors, speed6's and speed3's.

truth

IDRVSLO that is horrible news and I am sorry for you.

If possible don't do anything rash and take a few days to figure out what is the best thing for you to do. If you are going to rebuild, and I would hope you do, you will need to have another method of transportation. Chances are you will be down for several weeks at the least in order to get all of the parts that you will require.

Good luck man.

Ed.

Just gonna throw out something here for the op ... but how soon after you installed your custom intercooler did you notice the noise? Were you sure that it was doing a good job of cooling your intake charge? Just a thought to ponder ...

And what percentage of MS3s are even running that turbo? Just means that of the 3-5 people that have that turbo, none have blown YET.

Sorry to hear about the motor, man :( Keep us up to date on what you decide to do, one way or the other.

considering i felt the same thing in the clutch, yet its obvious that wasn't the situation... i firmly believe that there was a bent rod, then the misshift (which still DID happen) worked up those rods on the way up to 8k made it go POP.

fayyyyyyyyyg

whether it was a "misshift"... or even a hard downshift. I think youre theory holds weight jon.

I always questioned whether you would have even been able to get it into second at that speed.... i think just dropping it to fourth, as you spooled the boost might have popped it. I may have all happened so quick, we'll never know. I remember youre VERY first response seconds after it happened was that there was NO WAY it was second.... we almost "tried" to convince ourselves of that cause we didnt want to believe the motor would go so easily.

anyway. Whether it was or wasnt..... theres always going to be doubt for those of us who werent there. I think the greater point was the downshift and then spool made it go boom..... no matter what the rpms.

could we have a balance shaft problem? i have little technical experience, so bare with me. i track a nissan sentra and during my project i was consulted to get rid of the balance shafts as number one priority by a veteran qr tech...the engine is the qr25de. jim wolf made a kit for the removal process which added in oil baffles for 95 bucks. the balance shafts were a ticking time bomb in this car if driven near redline for extended use. could the ms3 have faulty balance shaft assembly and the community is exposing it because we are pushing our cars into the high rpm range and causing rapid failures. just thinking out loud...slap me if out of line.

I am very sad to see this car face engine failure
It was clean and original in many ways....

Palerider, with all due respect...
do not agree to join the built motor crowd as this crowd does not have one properly operating car

whatever the reason, whomever is at fault....the fact is there are no true success stories in this crowd

for most people, the decision to go with a built engine would lead to financial ruin. As they would be forking out a decent amount of coin yet will be in the same sitchy as when the engine first let go....

There may be some guys out there that have built their engines and are running just fine but I only gauge my info based on these small Mazdaspeed forum communities, be it MSF.org, 247, 6club, etc, etc

good point:( But i dont agree entirely. The jury is still out.

we'll know what the deal is with mine in a couple days.... but its not to say there arent properly running cars. Jons ran fine for 5k.... whos knows if the build was the problem. Evil Monkeys car isnt tiptop but it has nothing to do with the motor. Cmescoots car was running ok last i heard... just some small issues.

Who exactly, other than Jason.... is not getting results that their looking for?

gotta admit he called it with the vibrations in the clutch then a day later IDRVSLO blew up. IDRVSLO was in a parking lot tolling around minding his business. lot enough load to really aggravate anything. That is unless he was beating ont eh car ont he way to get his video game.....

I wish you the very best of luck Randy
there are so many "I'm going forged threads" that have started months ago
some longer than that but yet, still nothing or things go south quick
I know of a few failed attempts and maybe was a little harsh in saying there is no success stories at all but again just based on who I know and what I read on these forums.
I wish it were easier to build this engine and extract power
truth be told, I may be on the tail end of my own tinkering with this mofo

Man, the more I hear these stories the more I think some of us are just on borrowed time ... hope I'm wrong though but damn that new G8 GXP is looking sweeter and sweeter all the time.

tell me about it
we just bought a 2008 Saab 9-7X aero with a 390hp/395tq LS2 under the hood
0 to 60 in 5.5 / AWD
I'll race any MS3 on here from a dig with my son in the back watching Spongebob on the DVD player lol

i feel ya..that is one of the most european looking gm cars i have laid my eyes on. look more like the holden version from australia. plus you get that normally aspirated power, but that things weights more than a german tank. you may want to wait until the economic smoke clears...looks like gm's on the bubble financially. when there are no dealerships around and the service employees were cut, where are you going to take the car that will honor its 100k factory warranty. not looking good for those guys at all.

thats interesting. how are the balance shafts driven in the qr? I know the big Honda 4s that have balance shafts NEVER have problems, but they are belt driven off the crank snout.

sorry bout your car idrvslo. not much else to say

chain connected to the crank then to an assembly of some sort located in the oil pan that has a tiny chain sprocket on its end. get a good view here...http://www.jimwolftechnology.com/wol...structions.PDF

IDRVSLO....
sorry to hear about your car...
my favorite ms3= IDRVSLO
my favorite ms6= whoosh..
to not have you guys to look up to anymore would be an upsetting thing for me.
i really wish you the best of luck with what ever you decide to do.
i remember a few months ago you were thinking of selling your car. i guess that would have been the right move, as sad as it is to say.
it sucks that i have to be afraid to drive my car...
and put all my mods back on just to know that this thing could blow...
anyways...
good luck...


(btw Mrlilguy called it from a mile away)

I am always honest with my circumstances, theres no reason for me to lie. I dont want there to be any clouds about what I was doing when this occured. I could have been idling in a parking lot and I feel that it would have let go. I wasnt in boost and I was babying the pedal. I was scared shitless just to drive the car but really didnt have much choice. Its my only car and I live miles away from work. I couldnt fork over thousands to tear it down not knowing 100% that it was the issue. In the long run it would have been the right choice, but you live and learn. I am currently looking at a second car to drive around for 11 months until I deploy. The aftermarket equipment will be parted out in order to fund this along with my wedding in July. Still up in the air on the wheels and exhaust being sold.

Some might think this is the wrong choice but bare with me. I will be in and out of the field over the next 11 months and away from home for 3 of them. So that leaves me with 8 months to even drive the car. The first two will be to build the damn thing. So six months of driving part of it in the winter and for what......to park it for a year while I am deployed. I am going to build it and I am going to go with a BT. However to do it right, which is not totally known I need time and money. I figure in 18 months we will know WAY more about these cars. Does that make sense? FS post goes up tonight.....

yeah honestly that rod was at a point where it was ready to go doubt there was anything you could do about it. Hell you even took the time to drop the oil pan and inspect the roads and still couldn't find anything. At that point theres nothing more you can do.

i think youre downfall was not having any brand loyalty.... Mrlilguy didnt have any brand loyalty either.... nor did I, when the car blew. I think thats what we call proof right there.. cold hard proof:)

Originally Posted by melan47 View Post

could we have a balance shaft problem? i have little technical experience, so bare with me. i track a nissan sentra and during my project i was consulted to get rid of the balance shafts as number one priority by a veteran qr tech...the engine is the qr25de. jim wolf made a kid for the removal process which added in oil baffles for 95 bucks. the balance shafts were a ticking time bomb in this car if driven near redline for extended use. could the ms3 have faulty balance shaft assembly and the community is exposing it because we are pushing our cars into the high rpm range and causing rapid failures. just thinking out loud...slap me if out of line.



interesting point. the BS assy. does put a load on the engine is are right under cyl.3 which is where most rods have been destroyed on this engine. the BS assy. is driven by a gear on the crank between cyl.2 and cyl.3. it may be possible that the added stress is in that area is multiplied as power and boost increase.....we may be onto something here. i may be getting that bsd kit sooner than later

did IDRVSLO have a balance shaft delete???
and did Mrlilguy???

already interested in this idea (BS Delete) but the theory is.. well... just another theory at this point.

im interested also ....fuck now i think that I will play it safe and invest in rods....

ANY theory is better then no theory.....

I guess my brand loyalty saved my ass then haha. Had a Miata, then got a MZ3, then the MS3. Next up... new gen RX7? Hmmmmmm

So where do I buy the BSD? Who has them in stock?

2.3l duratec.

f2 motorsports

First off, very sorry scott and thank you for your service to our country. Get us some of those terrorists in the mountains of pakistan, will ya! I myself am going to donate to a good guy and serviceman. Check your paypal bro..

I couldn't agree more. Darksun, you hit right on the money. I get shitloads of KR at at that RPM range. Speedy3 posted that his timing chain was loose last time he checked and he too is getting KR like there's no tomorrow..

It all seems though to come to the ticking. If the ticking was due to a bent valve, would it be the cam against the tappets or the piston against the valve? What I need is the frequency of the ticking against the rpms of the car.

I have 40k miles and no vibes yet, but don't really care since i'm covered to 100k miles.

As soon as I get a few grand for a decent down payment, I'm dumping this car like a psycho girlfriend.

not me....treat it right and this car will run just fine. If you want BIG BIG power thats a different story but with simple bolt-ons there has been no problems, for me anyway. Too much panacia being thrown at us low power guy's and it really puts a negative vibe on a good car if the power and boost is kept at a reasonable level. Trading it in after a year is like throwing 5 grand in the garbage, besides your monthly payments for a year.
As mentioned i feel real bad for the big power guy's dealing with this car and figuring it out with there hard earned cash, but for the rest of us there has not been too many issues to keep it safe.

Except that plenty of blown engines have come from people not making big power.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...-hotcakes.html

Feel free to take your chances, but I'll gladly take 5k of depreciation + a new car over a 5k+ blown engine.

(shrugs)

everyone who i know personally that has an ms3 is doing just fine. myself included.

the interwebz is not the end all and be all of real life...

just sayin'

Clearly there is no way to get a representative sample of MS3 owners + mods & all that crap, but I don't see anything like this many blown engines on NASIOC, evolutionm or any other brand's tuner forums. I also know that my car gets 6.0 KR on the stock map & 4.9 KR tuned in spite of my best efforts to change plugs, check gapping (twice), tighten every clamp I can reach with a wrench to the point of stripping one of them, and even thowing octane booster in with the gas. That is flat unacceptable for very run of the mill bolt ons.

If your car is golden, then good for you. Knowing that your friends with mud flaps & fart cans as their major speed mods are still running strong sure makes me feel better about the prospect of putting a hole in my block on my next grocery run.

Obviously, there is very little consistence in people's experiences, which just leads me to conclude that there is some very shitty quality control at Mazda, posters have been out-right lying, or both. In any case, I'm not waiting around until I bust a rod only to find out that a 5k+ rebuild won't even solve the problem.

I just feel sorry for whatever next sucker owns this car. No wonder Ford is only weeks away from chapter 11.