There she blows!!!!

[mrlilguy157]

Originally Posted by Haltech wow, the first AP disaster! Ok, so what happened before the the dreaded noise began to occur? That was what, 3 weeks ago or so?

Originally Posted by Laloosh dibs on ss and bushings were you in boost at 3000rpm? partial throttle?

Originally Posted by Haltech Did you over rev it, causing the rod bearing to fail or to thick of oil?

Originally Posted by Laloosh im still guessing low rpm, boost im 100 confident that a 18psi k04 will blow this motor before a 18psi gt35

Originally Posted by IDRVSLO It was raining and I wasnt in boost. This is one day after picking up my car from the shop with what was suspected as a clutch/flywheel issue. It had brand new oil in it.....I just checked the levels 10 days ago....same day as it started having problems. Yep I guess I am the first AP car....shitty.

Originally Posted by Demi What are you gonna do? This is the first stock turbo CDFP upgraded car to pop right?

Originally Posted by freeflyfreak Ouch, $1100 on the clutch work and now this. I feel you pain. What MAP were you running when the noise started the first time?

i think all of these responses are silly. as I already said, and as he's already mentioned, there was clearly something wrong with the rotating assembly. the clutch/flywheel wasn't bad, it was even examined, but something was causing excessive vibrations in the clutch pedal, even at idle - eliminating the possibility of software or boost. i've been there, ms3guy22 has been there, and maybe others...

at the moment of kaboom, this had nothing to do with software, boost, part-throttle or open/closed loop... something was MECHANICALLY WRONG - and he knew it, but the problem wasn't isolated or fixed in time.

something was causing excessive imbalance of the crankshaft, which then goes to the clutch, pressure plate, and slave cylinder, where the vibrations were felt.

i'm sorry to hear you popped, but sadly, I thought it was coming. If you need a built longblock I've got one for you for less than $3500 shipped.

hang in there.

[Death-From-A-Mile]

3500 shipped, hmmm. I need to sell off some stuff first. Please PM me with more info. Thanks everyone for there support. BTW I want to clear this up also. THIS WAS NOT THE TUNES FAULT AND IT SURE AS HECK WASNT CHRISTIANS OR COBBS.

[JimmyMac]

IDRVSLO Question for ya. I can't remember if it was your thread before. I'll have to dig around, but did you have a ticking sound coming from your engine? And you thought it was your flywheel? I'm trying to remember who/where I saw this thread. Anyways, I might be in your boat too!

Yup, today... I drove around all day looking for... (same as you) CoD World at War. I did launch the car (first time in a very very long time) from a dead stop. No problems. But on the way to work, on a usual route that I get on it hard... Well, after I ran the car hard through 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear, I was coming up to a stop light. Started to push the clutch in and felt the clutch pedal vibrating. I turned off the music and thought I heard a ticking sound. Pulled into the parking lot at work, and my engine was ticking. So I'm thinking either spun rod bearing or dual mass flywheel problem. Either way, got the car home and it's parked till I figure all this out. I guess I'll open up my own thread. But if you have any input, or if this sound familiar, please chime in. Thanks...

[mrlilguy157]

Originally Posted by JimmyMac IDRVSLO Question for ya. I can't remember if it was your thread before. I'll have to dig around, but did you have a ticking sound coming from your engine? And you thought it was your flywheel? I'm trying to remember who/where I saw this thread. Anyways, I might be in your boat too! Yup, today... I drove around all day looking for... (same as you) CoD World at War. I did launch the car (first time in a very very long time) from a dead stop. No problems. But on the way to work, on a usual route that I get on it hard... Well, after I ran the car hard through 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear, I was coming up to a stop light. Started to push the clutch in and felt the clutch pedal vibrating. I turned off the music and thought I heard a ticking sound. Pulled into the parking lot at work, and my engine was ticking. So I'm thinking either spun rod bearing or dual mass flywheel problem. Either way, got the car home and it's parked till I figure all this out. I guess I'll open up my own thread. But if you have any input, or if this sound familiar, please chime in. Thanks...

I'm disgusted. Don't drive. tow it to a shop, order some rods and pistons, bearings, and 3k in labor, and then drive again. its cheaper than having holes in your shitty aluminum block.

[mrlilguy157]

Originally Posted by IDRVSLO 3500 shipped, hmmm. I need to sell off some stuff first. Please PM me with more info. Thanks everyone for there support. BTW I want to clear this up also. THIS WAS NOT THE TUNES FAULT AND IT SURE AS HECK WASNT CHRISTIANS OR COBBS.

PM sent.

[JimmyMac]

I'm gonna park it under the drive port and pull the oil pan off hopefully by this weekend. Maybe pull the tranny if I have time. But I will not be driving it till all is said and done. Of course I knew the risk of all this. I'm fully bolted with the GT28 at 20psi. On that 19.8psi was the peak. It'll take time though. I go to school full time and work part time. So we'll see. Thanksgiving is coming up. So I'll have tons of time then.

[wisniaPl]

how much for cbe??

[lidokrantz]

Very very sorry to hear this man, i hope you will be able to fix her up and decide whats best after that. good luck....
seems like folks should give this guy some time to chill..before asking for his mods. If this was my car. i would surely need some time to think about the correct path at this point. Seems like he needs our support.

[mrlilguy157]

Originally Posted by JimmyMac I'm gonna park it under the drive port and pull the oil pan off hopefully by this weekend. Maybe pull the tranny if I have time. But I will not be driving it till all is said and done. Of course I knew the risk of all this. I'm fully bolted with the GT28 at 20psi. On that 19.8psi was the peak. It'll take time though. I go to school full time and work part time. So we'll see. Thanksgiving is coming up. So I'll have tons of time then.

For sure.

I doubt you'll have to drop the transmission. Put cyl 1 at TDC and inspect the rods in cyl 1 and 4. Then 2 at TDC and inspect 2 and 3.

[mlassek]

thats interesting that it blew at 3000rpm. iirc was it y2kcoyboy that blew his engine at 3000rpm at like 30mph on a conservative tune? hmm i wonder whats going on here???.....

[Lex]

Originally Posted by mlassek thats interesting that it blew at 3000rpm. iirc was it y2kcoyboy that blew his engine at 3000rpm at like 30mph on a conservative tune? hmm i wonder whats going on here???.....

It's an engine that's driven hard. Some will let go. It's not rocket science and it's not uncommon. It's unfortunate but everyone here knows that a 4 cylinder engine driving over 300whp daily won't last as long as a civic putting down 80whp and never driven over 4000 RPM.

[JimmyMac]

Originally Posted by mrlilguy157 For sure. I doubt you'll have to drop the transmission. Put cyl 1 at TDC and inspect the rods in cyl 1 and 4. Then 2 at TDC and inspect 2 and 3.

Thanks for the advice. Will do.

As for the comment on 3000rpms, I think someone mentioned something about harmonics or something at that range might have something to do with it. But this was awhile ago in another thread. Might be the blown engine resource thread....

[y2kc0wb0y]

P3 can build your engine for sure.

[crazyitalian041]

Originally Posted by y2kc0wb0y P3 can build your engine for sure.

I can vouch for them

[oskinosmee]

Sorry to hear OP it sucks bad

So wait vibes in the clutch pedal mean what? I have been getting some bad vibes in the clutch pedal but no ticking i was thinking maybe a motor mount. It comes and goes and it vibes only at start of the pedal push. please dont scare me. But please help.

[Renzokuken]

Oh.... No..... Fuck... I liked your car alot. So original. But damn, DONT GIVE UP !!

[JimmyMac]

Originally Posted by oskinosmee Sorry to hear OP it sucks bad So wait vibes in the clutch pedal mean what? I have been getting some bad vibes in the clutch pedal but no ticking i was thinking maybe a motor mount. It comes and goes and it vibes only at start of the pedal push. please dont scare me. But please help.

I started my own thread here. http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...e-ticking.html But as for my vibes.... If I just slightly press or touch the clutch pedal, I can feel vibrations coming from it. And it's constant vibes. The engine ticks regardless of clutch pressed in or out. The vibes feel like a pulsing like something is out of balance. And it increases as the rpms increase. I'm thinking if it's not a rod bearing, it might be a very slightly bent rod. I'm starting to move away from the flywheel idea to the rod idea. The clutch operates just fine. No slipping. No grinding. No problem. Just the vibes.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by oskinosmee Sorry to hear OP it sucks bad So wait vibes in the clutch pedal mean what? I have been getting some bad vibes in the clutch pedal but no ticking i was thinking maybe a motor mount. It comes and goes and it vibes only at start of the pedal push. please dont scare me. But please help.

Mine vibes too when I first push it in from a high speed. I'd like to say almost everyone's will alittle bit judging what i've heard people say.....

[Grim]

jimmy can you get a video of this ticking?

[JimmyMac]

Uhh... I don't want to start the car again... haha. It's very audible, NOT normal disi bs. It's as I've stated in my thread. I'll try and record the sound when I move the car under the drive port this weekend. But that'll be the very last time the car will be started until my rods are replaced. Take a quarter and tap the hood of your car. It sounds like that. Or just say tick tick tick tick tick out loud. Sounds just like that.

[BlackMS3]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes lol whats he gona do roll it into a pole? id love to see someone total a car at 5mph lol

My friend totaled a car at less than 5mph....

He was driving across Oklahoma with a Jacked up Dodge 3500 Cummins. He was tired and pulled into a Walmart parking lot. He evidently forgot to put the truck in park and fell asleep with his foot on the brake.

He woke up to the truck shaking and the front end in the air.. scared the shit out of him.

Come to find out, his foot slipped off the pedal, and the truck idled across the parking lot and literally climbed on top of a Ford Probe...

The front tires caved in the roof of the car and totaled it....

[kraz3y]

man sorry to hear what happened =/

i blew my engine @ 3k too ughhh i wanna build my engine too...jus sucks cuz its hard for me to come up with the money for that sigh'

[Laloosh]

Originally Posted by mrlilguy157 i think all of these responses are silly. as I already said, and as he's already mentioned, there was clearly something wrong with the rotating assembly. the clutch/flywheel wasn't bad, it was even examined, but something was causing excessive vibrations in the clutch pedal, even at idle - eliminating the possibility of software or boost. i've been there, ms3guy22 has been there, and maybe others... at the moment of kaboom, this had nothing to do with software, boost, part-throttle or open/closed loop... something was MECHANICALLY WRONG - and he knew it, but the problem wasn't isolated or fixed in time. something was causing excessive imbalance of the crankshaft, which then goes to the clutch, pressure plate, and slave cylinder, where the vibrations were felt. i'm sorry to hear you popped, but sadly, I thought it was coming. If you need a built longblock I've got one for you for less than $3500 shipped. hang in there.

i think its silly when people claim to miss gears when they blow engines

im not saying his car blew that very second cause of partial throttle low rpm boost....im saying over time, it caused it to blow.

Name 1 gt35 that blew up besides mark from loosing a hose and boosting 30

[Super Unique]

Where is everyone getting the idea that low rpm boost is an engine killer? Every turbo engine designer does everything in their power to get boost on at as low an rpm as possible to make the car drive better. The smoother the transition from vacuum to boost, and lower in the RPM range, the better the car drives. If your running the car in the stock configuration, this should be of no concern. If there is a problem causing engine failure during low rpm boost then it's an inherent design flaw that needs to be fixed.

[phailerider]

sorry to hear about your car man. love to see you pick jons motor up tho....and join the built motor crowd

[pdqgp]

Originally Posted by Super Unique Where is everyone getting the idea that low rpm boost is an engine killer? Every turbo engine designer does everything in their power to get boost on at as low an rpm as possible to make the car drive better. The smoother the transition from vacuum to boost, and lower in the RPM range, the better the car drives. If your running the car in the stock configuration, this should be of no concern. If there is a problem causing engine failure during low rpm boost then it's an inherent design flaw that needs to be fixed.

I'd like to know how many stock engines have blown. From what I've seen the ones that have blown have been modded perhaps beyond what the motor was designed for and the results are to be expected really. It really is just a matter of time before they destroy turbo seals causing smoke or worse as we've seen.

[bova]

i think everyone is getting to worked up about this. as long as you take preventive measures and like most of us monitor things with a dashhawk and what not you will be ok. i mean look at laloosh and whoosh, both running gt35's no problems. also there are several others running tons of mods and dont have problems.

it sucks when your motor blows but idrvslo had a problem that apparently was bigger than he thought and then boom it happens.

i dont think they have to be stock or modded. i've talked to my dealer and he said they have had a few stock ones in for blown motors, speed6's and speed3's.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by bova80 i think everyone is getting to worked up about this. as long as you take preventive measures and like most of us monitor things with a dashhawk and what not you will be ok. i mean look at laloosh and whoosh, both running gt35's no problems. also there are several others running tons of mods and dont have problems. it sucks when your motor blows but idrvslo had a problem that apparently was bigger than he thought and then boom it happens. i dont think they have to be stock or modded. i've talked to my dealer and he said they have had a few stock ones in for blown motors, speed6's and speed3's.

truth

[eddelgado]

IDRVSLO that is horrible news and I am sorry for you.

If possible don't do anything rash and take a few days to figure out what is the best thing for you to do. If you are going to rebuild, and I would hope you do, you will need to have another method of transportation. Chances are you will be down for several weeks at the least in order to get all of the parts that you will require.

Good luck man.

Ed.

[LBV]

Just gonna throw out something here for the op ... but how soon after you installed your custom intercooler did you notice the noise? Were you sure that it was doing a good job of cooling your intake charge? Just a thought to ponder ...

[ElBartoRex]

Originally Posted by Laloosh Name 1 gt35 that blew up besides mark from loosing a hose and boosting 30

And what percentage of MS3s are even running that turbo? Just means that of the 3-5 people that have that turbo, none have blown YET.

[sweetpickles]

Sorry to hear about the motor, man Keep us up to date on what you decide to do, one way or the other.

[mrlilguy157]

Originally Posted by Laloosh i think its silly when people claim to miss gears when they blow engines im not saying his car blew that very second cause of partial throttle low rpm boost....im saying over time, it caused it to blow. Name 1 gt35 that blew up besides mark from loosing a hose and boosting 30

considering i felt the same thing in the clutch, yet its obvious that wasn't the situation... i firmly believe that there was a bent rod, then the misshift (which still DID happen) worked up those rods on the way up to 8k made it go POP.

fayyyyyyyyyg

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by mrlilguy157 considering i felt the same thing in the clutch, yet its obvious that wasn't the situation... i firmly believe that there was a bent rod, then the misshift (which still DID happen) worked up those rods on the way up to 8k made it go POP. fayyyyyyyyyg

whether it was a "misshift"... or even a hard downshift. I think youre theory holds weight jon.

I always questioned whether you would have even been able to get it into second at that speed.... i think just dropping it to fourth, as you spooled the boost might have popped it. I may have all happened so quick, we'll never know. I remember youre VERY first response seconds after it happened was that there was NO WAY it was second.... we almost "tried" to convince ourselves of that cause we didnt want to believe the motor would go so easily.

anyway. Whether it was or wasnt..... theres always going to be doubt for those of us who werent there. I think the greater point was the downshift and then spool made it go boom..... no matter what the rpms.

[melan47]

could we have a balance shaft problem? i have little technical experience, so bare with me. i track a nissan sentra and during my project i was consulted to get rid of the balance shafts as number one priority by a veteran qr tech...the engine is the qr25de. jim wolf made a kit for the removal process which added in oil baffles for 95 bucks. the balance shafts were a ticking time bomb in this car if driven near redline for extended use. could the ms3 have faulty balance shaft assembly and the community is exposing it because we are pushing our cars into the high rpm range and causing rapid failures. just thinking out loud...slap me if out of line.

[whoosh@Realtune]

Originally Posted by palerider sorry to hear about your car man. love to see you pick jons motor up tho....and join the built motor crowd

I am very sad to see this car face engine failure
It was clean and original in many ways....

Palerider, with all due respect...
do not agree to join the built motor crowd as this crowd does not have one properly operating car

whatever the reason, whomever is at fault....the fact is there are no true success stories in this crowd

for most people, the decision to go with a built engine would lead to financial ruin. As they would be forking out a decent amount of coin yet will be in the same sitchy as when the engine first let go....

There may be some guys out there that have built their engines and are running just fine but I only gauge my info based on these small Mazdaspeed forum communities, be it MSF.org, 247, 6club, etc, etc

[phailerider]

good point But i dont agree entirely. The jury is still out.

we'll know what the deal is with mine in a couple days.... but its not to say there arent properly running cars. Jons ran fine for 5k.... whos knows if the build was the problem. Evil Monkeys car isnt tiptop but it has nothing to do with the motor. Cmescoots car was running ok last i heard... just some small issues.

Who exactly, other than Jason.... is not getting results that their looking for?

[Darksun280]

gotta admit he called it with the vibrations in the clutch then a day later IDRVSLO blew up. IDRVSLO was in a parking lot tolling around minding his business. lot enough load to really aggravate anything. That is unless he was beating ont eh car ont he way to get his video game.....

[whoosh@Realtune]

Originally Posted by palerider good point But i dont agree entirely. The jury is still out. we'll know what the deal is with mine in a couple days.... but its not to say there arent properly running cars. Jons ran fine for 5k.... whos knows if the build was the problem. Evil Monkeys car isnt tiptop but it has nothing to do with the motor. Cmescoots car was running ok last i heard... just some small issues. Who exactly, other than Jason.... is not getting results that their looking for?

I wish you the very best of luck Randy
there are so many "I'm going forged threads" that have started months ago
some longer than that but yet, still nothing or things go south quick
I know of a few failed attempts and maybe was a little harsh in saying there is no success stories at all but again just based on who I know and what I read on these forums.
I wish it were easier to build this engine and extract power
truth be told, I may be on the tail end of my own tinkering with this mofo

[LBV]

Man, the more I hear these stories the more I think some of us are just on borrowed time ... hope I'm wrong though but damn that new G8 GXP is looking sweeter and sweeter all the time.