There she blows!!!!

[melan47]

some qoutes i found on the mzr engines not directly related to the 2.3 version.

Press releases do mention Ford, but emphasize Mazda's need to comply with Japanese government environmental regulations. This is a quotation "Mazda has led the development of the new in-line four-cylinder engine for the Ford Group. The Ford Group will use versions of the engine globally, building approximately 1,500,000 units in Ford group plants worldwide." These engines are manufactured in Hiroshima, Japan. Here I cover your question regarding the design, engineering and manufacture of the MZR engines, which are primarily Mazda and Japanese. It cannot be clearer than a press release stating "Mazda has led the development of the new in-line four-cylinder", which is the MZR. There is a more detailed press release in July 2002 about the 1.3 and 1.5L MZRs "Shigeo Mizuno (Powertrain Deputy Manager) in charge of development of the engines said, "We brought our engineering and production staff together to create the MZR1.3/1.5 engines to fully inject Mazda's brand DNA into engine performance. We are confident that these small car engines signal a new benchmark for the class." In other sources, "The engine is produced at the company's Hiroshima plant, close to its headquarters in Fuchu Town, Hiroshima Prefecture, western Japan." Annual capacity there is just over 700,000 engines. There are no questions about the MZR DISI, which was developed for the MazdaSpeed/MPS and now used in the CX-7 is manufactured in Hiroshima, Japan, and so far only Mazda badged vehicles are using it.

[MZRDISI4]

Originally Posted by johnnyspeed6 Aren't most cx7's unmodded automatics with moms driving them ?? that could have somethign to do with them not blowing up .. they are not trying to run 12's in them ...

Most make a big deal out of MS3's blowing up stock or with just an intake. I haven't seen one occurance of it happening on the CX-7. They're some heavily modded CX-7's too. DP, intake, TMIC, standback, midpipe. Most just have an Intake and BOV/BPV though. The ONLY people with a smoking turbo we're completely stock or lightly modded.

If you mod it and something fucks up or a problem comes up you pay the price and deal with it, plain and simple.

[JimmyMac]

Don't forget too that CX7's have less hp and a different smaller turbo than the MS3 and MS6.

[badams118]

Originally Posted by MZRDISI4 You're upset because you modded it and you can't fix your knock retard problem, and you got a broken transmission mount why? We're you stock when that happened? I doubt it. Buy something else and be done with it.

Im upset because I modded it & I shouldnt have a KR problem. For all I know, it had KR before I touched it. Im upset because you ought to be able to put some minor bolt-ons on this car without throwing a rod. How many other forums have a "blow engine resource thread" FFS?

Anyone with more than ~275 whp is gonna have a tranny mount problem, sooner or later. Hell, there is a TSB on the tranny mount. That shows shitty quality, no matter how you want to frame it.

Believe me, if I had the cash, I would be driving something else right now. In the mean time, if anyone else reads mine or other's posts before buying an MS3, then I have done a service.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by badams118 Im upset because I modded it & I shouldnt have a KR problem. For all I know, it had KR before I touched it. Im upset because you ought to be able to put some minor bolt-ons on this car without throwing a rod. How many other forums have a "blow engine resource thread" FFS? Anyone with more than ~275 whp is gonna have a tranny mount problem, sooner or later. Hell, there is a TSB on the tranny mount. That shows shitty quality, no matter how you want to frame it. Believe me, if I had the cash, I would be driving something else right now. In the mean time, if anyone else reads mine or other's posts before buying an MS3, then I have done a service.

Grass always looks greener on the other side. Also Hp doesn't brake the trans mount shitty materials does. The trans mount on the MS6 is steel ours is some powder crap. your starting to come off as frantic so relax. Alot of us realize this car isn't the best platform in the world to mod but there are some of us doing fine as well as the ones who are blowing up from just tunning the key in the ignition.

[badams118]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 Grass always looks greener on the other side. Also Hp doesn't brake the trans mount shitty materials does. The trans mount on the MS6 is steel ours is some powder crap. your starting to come off as frantic so relax. Alot of us realize this car isn't the best platform in the world to mod but there are some of us doing fine as well as the ones who are blowing up from just tunning the key in the ignition.

I come off as pissed. My car is running as well as a three legged dog that just fucked a porcupine & I am out of options. If some take that as "frantic" I could honestly care less.

Other than that, you are right about the mount (though it is HP + bad materials) & engine problems. I dont think that buying a WRX will solve all my problems, but I would like to think I know bad quality when I see it.

[johnnyspeed6]

Originally Posted by badams118 I come off as pissed. My car is running as well as a three legged dog that just fucked a porcupine & I am out of options. If some take that as "frantic" I could honestly care less. Other than that, you are right about the mount (though it is HP + bad materials) & engine problems. I dont think that buying a WRX will solve all my problems, but I would like to think I know bad quality when I see it.

I can see exactly why your mad .. you should be able to do several mods without anything breaking within reason .. to tell you the truth I drive the ms6 because it has what I want in a car BUT I am also buying a house next year.. if I had the extra money it would be EVO all the way... everyone is aware of the superior quality of mitsubishi ... the 93' turbo talon (fwd)I had ran 22 psi all day every day until I sold it for @ 139,000 miles .. I never had a problem with it and it did 160 mph on a back county rd one day .. impressive if you ask me for a 2 liter with exhaust and a boost controller .. (and a k&n) ... I mean the evos come with a FMIC .. you get what you pay for sorry to say .. I love my ms6 but I dont have any issues either ... soooooooooo............................ If people want to have money ass 11 sec. 1/4 mile cars .. and im not saying you do ... but if you do .. get out of Mazda ...as a matter of fact I would have to say that sticking to mistsubishi or heavy duty cars such as our american V8 counter parts ( which I have had 2 mustangs) .... they are REALLY hard to break I know .. and if you have to have boost go with a Buick Grand National and hold on to your ass .................... just my personal but experienced opinon

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by badams118 I come off as pissed. My car is running as well as a three legged dog that just fucked a porcupine & I am out of options. If some take that as "frantic" I could honestly care less. Other than that, you are right about the mount (though it is HP + bad materials) & engine problems. I dont think that buying a WRX will solve all my problems, but I would like to think I know bad quality when I see it.

Hey man I'm with you I want to jump ship BAD but I still push on and I have all this shit to put on my car and I lose sleep at night thinking about what will happen if I throw a rod but can't live life scared thats no way to carry on about the situation for me.

[builthatch]

Originally Posted by badams118 (I guess an intake & race pipe is "built").

why do you keep taking unfounded personal shots at me, when all i did is report something vs. your constant whining and crying about how/when you are leaving because you are having some issues using bandaids to tune your car?

since you are so concerned about me, builthatch means that 1. i've had built honda engines in my hondas in various guises for the past 10 years, and the main vehicle for that 10 year span was a hatchback, so for the past 10 years my email and screennames have been 'builthatch' and 2. i'm bigger and stronger than most NFL defensive tackles. i'm built like a fuckin' tank.

Originally Posted by badams118 I come off as pissed.

no, correction- annoying and frantic. how are you telling us how you come off? haha, we tell you, that's how it works, not the other way around!

just chill the fuck out, change your horrendous attitude, and participate with the community like something other than an upset child. you are doing noone a service, unless anyone is looking for someone who might have a tuning issue and deals with it by yammering about how they are going to get out of this car asap and attacking upstanding members. noone wants that, so either follow up on your commitment to get out and leave, or figure out how to behave better.

[JimmyMac]

Kick his ass sea bass!

[badams118]

Originally Posted by builthatch why do you keep taking unfounded personal shots at me, when all i did is report something vs. your constant whining and crying about how/when you are leaving because you are having some issues using bandaids to tune your car?

First, I never said I was going to "leave" anything. I said I was selling the car. Try to pay a little more attention & actually read what I post next time.

Second, I have the same intake as you, a CP-E DP & an AP (the AP is probably the only thing keeping the engine together, tbh). Bandaids? Right...

Originally Posted by builthatch since you are so concerned about me, builthatch means that 1. i've had built honda engines in my hondas in various guises for the past 10 years, and the main vehicle for that 10 year span was a hatchback, so for the past 10 years my email and screennames have been 'builthatch' and 2. i'm bigger and stronger than most NFL defensive tackles.

Good for you. Stick to Hondas, then.

And spare me the e-thug routine. I am sure every nose picker on the internet is 6'6" 300#. I've rolled with guys pushing 300# in my bjj class. That shit doesnt impress me, so save it & go eat another pizza.

Originally Posted by builthatch no, correction- annoying and frantic. how are you telling us how you come off? haha, we tell you, that's how it works, not the other way around! just chill the fuck out, change your horrendous attitude, and participate with the community like something other than an upset child. you are doing noone a service, unless anyone is looking for someone who might have a tuning issue and deals with it by yammering about how they are going to get out of this car asap and attacking upstanding members. noone wants that, so either follow up on your commitment to get out and leave, or figure out how to behave better.

Im sorry, this is the part where you start referring to yourself as an "upstanding member?'' Because of your decade long Honda tuning experience, or whatever, right? Ok, thx for straightening that out for me. Tell u what, when I start giving 2 fucks what some fat honda tuner thinks about my posts, I'll send u a PM, deal?

[johnnyspeed6]

Originally Posted by badams118 First, I never said I was going to "leave" anything. I said I was selling the car. Try to pay a little more attention & actually read what I post next time. Second, I have the same intake as you, a CP-E DP & an AP (the AP is probably the only thing keeping the engine together, tbh). Bandaids? Right... Good for you. Stick to Hondas, then. And spare me the e-thug routine. I am sure every nose picker on the internet is 6'6" 300#. I've rolled with guys pushing 300# in my bjj class. That shit doesnt impress me, so save it & go eat another pizza. Im sorry, this is the part where you start referring to yourself as an "upstanding member?'' Because of your decade long Honda tuning experience, or whatever, right? Ok, thx for straightening that out for me. Tell u what, when I start giving 2 fucks what some fat honda tuner thinks about my posts, I'll send u a PM, deal?

[builthatch]

lol...

right.

anyway,

can't wait til you get out of that car and disappear!

[badams118]

Haha, I just noticed your sig. That has got to be easily the biggest case of an inferiority complex I have ever seen on the internet, to date. Seriously, you really put your height & weight in your sig? WTF, as if being fat makes you somehow smarter? OMG, that is beyond funny. Thank you, I really needed a good laugh.

[Eazy]

Wow...ok.... Back on topic. Enough with the name calling/macho man shit

[builthatch]

Originally Posted by Eazy Wow...ok.... Back on topic. Enough with the name calling/macho man shit

thank you.

[johnnyspeed6]

That picture of the fatty from the internet is hilarious ............ LOL .. ..


btw >>>> 6'5 230

[bf360]

Originally Posted by johnnyspeed6 I can see exactly why your mad .. you should be able to do several mods without anything breaking within reason .. to tell you the truth I drive the ms6 because it has what I want in a car BUT I am also buying a house next year.. if I had the extra money it would be EVO all the way... everyone is aware of the superior quality of mitsubishi ... the 93' turbo talon (fwd)I had ran 22 psi all day every day until I sold it for @ 139,000 miles .. I never had a problem with it and it did 160 mph on a back county rd one day .. impressive if you ask me for a 2 liter with exhaust and a boost controller .. (and a k&n) ... I mean the evos come with a FMIC .. you get what you pay for sorry to say .. I love my ms6 but I dont have any issues either ... soooooooooo............................ If people want to have money ass 11 sec. 1/4 mile cars .. and im not saying you do ... but if you do .. get out of Mazda ...as a matter of fact I would have to say that sticking to mistsubishi or heavy duty cars such as our american V8 counter parts ( which I have had 2 mustangs) .... they are REALLY hard to break I know .. and if you have to have boost go with a Buick Grand National and hold on to your ass .................... just my personal but experienced opinon

mitsubishi? youve got to be kidding, the only thing reliable about them is some of their engine, ever heard of crankwalk? Also mitsubishi transmissions are shit, every car has its problems get over it, dsm's are the most unreliable

[johnnyspeed6]

Originally Posted by bf360 mitsubishi? youve got to be kidding, the only thing reliable about them is some of their engine, ever heard of crankwalk? Also mitsubishi transmissions are shit, every car has its problems get over it, dsm's are the most unreliable

You ever had a turbo mistubishi????????

[builthatch]

Originally Posted by johnnyspeed6 btw >>>> 6'5 230

haha...

in all seriousness, there was a post a pic of yourself thread on h-t a few years back and i participated. i then was constantly getting inquiries about my size, so from that point forward, my default sig always has my height and weight so people understand what i mean when i say x part of a car is too small, or whatever. i'm saying this because i want you to know it had nothing to do with self promotion. you can ask anyone that knows me, i'm the most mild mannered and understated person when it comes to my proportions, but occassionally there are a few people on the interwebz who like children in grade school will pick something to use against you and will dwell on it without understanding the facts. this isn't the first time, it won't be the last. the only surefire way for it to stop is if everyone met me personally and that is a pipedream, so life goes on....

anyway, as the mod said- back OT is just fine with me....

Originally Posted by bf360 every car has its problems

this is true. any mass produced high performance machine will never be perfect. first-rate, respectable manufacturers will do the best they can to assure things are engineered and produced properly, but the more you turn the wick, and the more people push something, inevitably there is going to be a higher rate of failure than a platform that is extremely detuned and under-used (driven softly).

[badams118]

Originally Posted by Laloosh im still guessing low rpm, boost im 100 confident that a 18psi k04 will blow this motor before a 18psi gt35

Why is that? PSI is PSI, isnt it?

[ASIC_BSEE]

Originally Posted by badams118 Why is that? PSI is PSI, isnt it?

Because the K-04 can spool up faster than the system can react to add fuel. At least with a bigger turbo, the ECU can get the fuel there before it hits 18 psi.

[builthatch]

just to keep the confusion down if someone misinterprets the statement made that psi is psi...psi levels from two different turbos do not equal the same charge even if the boost pressure is the same. the same boost pressure from two different turbos can mean two greatly different things in terms of power and quality of the charge....

a bigger turbo will be more efficient and flow more CFM per PSI if you are reaching the tail end of the realistic output of the smaller piece; the smaller turbo will have to be working ALOT harder to achieve the same boost pressure. the sacrifice can typically be spool time, but there are alot of variables in turbo technology, associated parts and tuning (CU, WG action, etc) that can close this gap and make a bigger turbo just as responsive vs. a smaller one, but deliver a cooler and more volumous charge.

i used to have some really cool corky bell links about this subject, i'll try to find them.

[bf360]

Originally Posted by badams118 Why is that? PSI is PSI, isnt it?

nope it isnt

[danesti]

badams118-
simple answer is no. you are wrong.
if PSI=PSI then please tell me why laloosh is putting down much more power at similar boost levels on his GT35 vs. k04.

i just really feel your wrong here.

[tagkat]

20 psi with a 2.5" pipe or 20psi with a 3" pipe which is moving more air?
Or which is better a electric bicycle pump straining to make 20 psi or a big air compressor making 20psi but has the capability to push more??
A bigger turbo will flow more air easier.

[badams118]

Originally Posted by danems6 badams118- simple answer is no. you are wrong. if PSI=PSI then please tell me why laloosh is putting down much more power at similar boost levels on his GT35 vs. k04. i just really feel your wrong here.

It wasnt a statement, it was a question. That's why I added the question mark at the end.

Makes sense about the volume + PSI thing, though. To get the same air, you would have to lower the PSI on a bigger turbo.

So how does it look to the ECU. If the ECU is asking for 18 PSI, does it think its getting the same amount of air with the stock turbo? If so, that would throw A/F way off?

[tagkat]

That's why you tune.

[danesti]

Originally Posted by badams118 It wasnt a statement, it was a question. That's why I added the question mark at the end.

sorry man i interpreted it as a statement.

[badams118]

Originally Posted by tagkat That's why you tune.

You tune for a lot of reasons. Changing the turbo may only be one of them.

[wisniaPl]

for that price you wont find stock car that is faster.....cmon shit happens you have to know what are you doing....

[dimaxxxl]

SORRY ABOUT THE RIDE

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by IDRVSLO Well here is a final update on my car. At 1230pst I was exiting a local Game Stop after purchasing the new COD World at War(sweet game by the way) When KAAABBBOOOMMMM! Motor pops right around 3000rpm. I pull into at local bank and dont even need to inspect the damn thing I knew exactly what happened. But I did.....cylinder three has a nice hole on the backside. Fun stuff huh. So there you have it, problem solved. MrLilguy you were right but in my eyes it probably wouldnt have mattered. Such a shitty situation right now, I dont know what to do. I do know this I will be parting out every piece of my car minus the wheels, suspension and exhaust. Its been fun guys.

Damn man, I am sorry we didn't get a chance to look at this. Seems like it could have been avoidied and I would check with your insurance company to see if they want to pay for it if the warranty will not cover it. Either way if you need any help getting the car taken care of or torn down let me know. I have been on base several times this month and swinging by to give a hand would be easy for me. Let me know.

[darkstarmotorsports]

sorry to hear about your car...

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by badams118 Im upset because I modded it & I shouldnt have a KR problem. For all I know, it had KR before I touched it. Im upset because you ought to be able to put some minor bolt-ons on this car without throwing a rod. How many other forums have a "blow engine resource thread" FFS? Anyone with more than ~275 whp is gonna have a tranny mount problem, sooner or later. Hell, there is a TSB on the tranny mount. That shows shitty quality, no matter how you want to frame it. Believe me, if I had the cash, I would be driving something else right now. In the mean time, if anyone else reads mine or other's posts before buying an MS3, then I have done a service.

It not the cars fault, its the aftermarkets. We (myself included) need to come to market with parts that address these issues. I took on the tranny mount over a year ago, I still have the original designs that are at the machine shop to get built.... they (machine shop) never built them so I had to change the design and its a good thing also. We had planned on using the stock lower tripod mount, that would have ended bad with our original design.

There is a fix for the mount, I just didn't figure on it being us that got it done. There are going to be fixes for the knock counts as well, give cobb a while to address as well as us. We are working with an EMS unit that has "learn as you drive". You will still have to wire the SOB in but the tune will be very easy to achive. That should get rid of the knock issues.

The whole blown motor issue, well.... this is a pay to play hobby/sport. If your going to make things more powerful, faster, quick, or beat on the car more you had better be prepaired to start spending money on it. Not saying that the stock rods or Mazda are a good product, just that we all should know now that the stock rods are no good for anything much over 370 WTQ.

[albone]

After reading all these posts I want to make sure mine wasn't having the same sound issues IDRVSLO posted below. I do notice a very slight sound when the car is in neutral which is hardly noticeable and if you open the door you can't hear it at all over the engine. When I push the clutch pedal in I don't notice any vibrations so I’m good there. Then after pushing the clutch pedal 1/3rd of the way down the noise stops. I assume this is just normal as it's engaging the clutch but wanted to post and see what others thought.

POSTED BY IDRVSLO on another thread:
--The car makes this noise while at any RPM in neutral, sitting still, with the clutch not engaged(pedal all the way out)

--When you begin to push the clutch pedal in it vibrates but the vibration goes away after the first 3 inches.

--After the first 3 inches I cannot hear the noise or feel vibrations at all. So it could not be the motor in my eyes.

[ptperformance]

Did we ever get any pictures up of the internals?

[gtlaw]

Originally Posted by johnnyspeed6 That picture of the fatty from the internet is hilarious ............ LOL .. .. btw >>>> 6'5 230

damn not trying to start some shit, but he really has his height, and weight in the sig LOL
I would have never noticed that...again LOL