Think the Speed may have blown something downlow
 

Took the car out today catch a Lexus GS300 thinking that he could hang. So I pull like we all know the speeds can do at the drop of a dime. Felt great the revs were high I admit, but it wasn't anything that auto crossing a speed wouldn't subject the car too. To my surprise there was a knocking coming from the motor, at first I hoped that it was something minor but oh know after inspecting the car on the side of the road I decided too try on move the car to my office, well it started fine went into gear but that was it no power just the knock and the BOV releasing air. So I called the dealership, who told me to contact road side assistance, which towed me into the dealership. In the meanwhile I uninstalled the Cobb 2009 Beta map that I had in the car, but that was all that I could do. The Injen CAI and Turbo Smart BOV were the only engine modds left on the car.

The service guy asks one of the HEAD TECHs to go out and listen to the car. He Pops the hood and starts the car instantly the knocking start but then he opens the hood and see the AFTERMARKET CAI and BOV, he asked me "How long I have had the AFTERMARKET CAI and BOV, I reply since the day I brought the car. We walk back into the service dept where he goes into the office of glass to speak with a white shirt. Then the blue shirt goes into the office a conversation start to which I can't hear anything but when the blue shirt does exit the office he states that they will have to contact Mazda to determine if the AFTERMARKET parts have void the warranty.

MY question is in the worst case Mazda does not cover the repair I'm I F^@K or can I have my insurance pay for the repair or is it time to re-enforce the bottom end of the motor myself. I'm not going to start the point figure blame game about the warranty; I'm just trying to see what my options are. Remember the car had less than 3k i.e.2790 maybe...
Thank and Happy New Year

did you use a translator for this thread?
fuck mazda...intakes are a big deal to them. if they void your warranty...
fuck it. nevermind, i have no advice for you, my warranty was void and i didn't fight it.
build it!

omg... less then 3K miles!!!! this has to be a first for a newborn to do this

you need to research the magnesson moss warranty act and do some reading. they cannot void your warranty for parts that were not the cause of the failure.

grow a pair and tell them this. (after growing a pair and researching your rights)

to tell you the truth.... the mmwa did jack shit for me and my MSP a couple of years ago. if you tell them that they are going to say "fine take your shit home before we charge you storage fee's and we will wait until the court stuff is over with". that whole thing just brings a lot of false hopes to everyone... ask all the people that have voided warranties on here. yes the op has been wronged (from what I read)... but there's nothing that is going to help them

fuck mazda. i didn't even fight them when they voided my warranty

knocking and the BOV going off while not under boost? This sounds a little strange. Any CELs?

That's depressing, is this the first 09 that's blown? I don't know what to tell you about the warranty, I had it out with GM in reference to my GTO for nearly 2.5 years before they finally settled, they wouldn't do much more than laugh at me until I got a lawyer and end result was still not as favorable as I would have liked. Hindsight being 20/20 I would have either got a lawyer from day one or I would have just accepted the fact that this is the way things are. If you win you may save yourself some money, but for me I do not believe it was worth the stress and headache of fighting it. I fully accepted the reality that my car is not under warranty and that when something goes wrong taking it to the dealer is simply a waste of my time the second I decided to get this car and mod.

Sorry to hear this though and I wish you luck,
-GG

this is a large sum of money were talking about if hes voided for such minor things, my advice would be to fight it as much as possibly, it might not do much you may need a lawyer but its better than being stuck with the bill

they cant void ur warranty for the intake or bov.I snaped my motor mount twice and my car was fully bolted they cant void ur warranty unless those parts caused the part that failed.My warranty is voided now becouse i brought it there 3 time for totale of 9000 worth of work done.But dont let them bullshit u

ROFL!!!!!

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Well to put things into perspective, at least the lawyers that I looked at previously, most were requiring around 3500 bucks to take the case and if it goes to court those costs increase, if you win they would take it out of the settlement, if you lose you owe them still.

Now the above really does depend on your lawyer but understand that if Mazda could prove that adding xyz horsepower to the engine caused the components to fail as things were ran outside of the manufactures design parameters... you are going to owe someone something and still have to fix your car. It's really not that hard for a manufacture to prove this with all things said an done.

What's the car rated at when it's sold? How much more power are you putting down with a CIA? Boom = responsibility on you not the manufacturer.

-GG

not to mention, this isn't something that gets taken care of in court overnight....

Well considering mazda makes and sells (or used to sell) their own cai, I don't think they can use those reasons:

1. The mscai was so shitty they stopped selling them b/c it threw cel's all day.
2. They didn't recall the ms cai's so obviously they found whatever problem it had not detrimental to the car itself.

In this case, I'd say fight it.

DO NOT PAY A LAWYER A RETAINER FOR THIS... If they wont do it on a contingency, find someone who will. They need motivation for this kind of case.

here's the catch all.... they use the bov... they say that the turbo's output into the motor, gets increased because of it. and yes it actually does because it keeps the boost in rather then bleedling like the stocker does.

There's two problems with this.

1) At least from my experience there are not a great deal many lawyers out there that will go to the manufacture's lawyers and start talking about a situation like this without some guaranteed funds/payment. You might not have to play upfront, but it's not that likely that a lawyer would take this on for free and the contract will likely state that you will owe them xyz amount if you lose.

2) The lawyers on the manufactures side are nothing to sneeze at typically.. they get paid big bucks. If you get a lawyer without any moneys guaranteed they will just pull it out until you have to make the decision to go to court and be responsible for the outcome or drop the case it and let it go for the simple fact that you do not want to commit to the possibility of anything out of pocket.

You might get lucky and find a lawyer that will... but there's logical reasoning behind the possibility that you really don't have a case here. I don't know many lawyers that take ify cases for free.

-GG

Before they call in Mazda corporate, you should try bringing it to another dealer. Your f'ed if they flag the vin. A different dealer might be more willing to work with you or at least you can take off the mods before you go in...

I would think the ecu would compensate using the wgdc.

Thanks you all make sense, I guess to the only real question is to buy a crate motor or build? (If the warranty is voided) Will $3500 buy my a stronger build motor?

Only if I had a Tow truck. I hope the damn BOV doesn't void me. But If so I will rebuild it. If my wife doesn't kill me first.:chairshot:

Well, if you do take it to a new dealer, don't tell the current dealer, take off the intake/bov first, then tow it to the new dealer.

-GG

I completely agree. But I would give up before I would pay an attorney regardless of the outcome.

nope... watch the synapse videos

Always have it towed to your house. If you have it towed to the dealer with mods on it, you may as well walk in with your pants down, grabbing your ankles.

How is this BPV releasing air? What kind of BPV is it?

:iconcur:

BTW....I didn't know the 09 maps were available yet??

turbosmart

Speed'n3 yep per only beta 2009 maps are out but not officialy you have to receive the beta map from christian at Cobb via email

Gotcha...

Did you do any data logs of the tune prior to going all out?

Did you have an upgraded fp?
If you don't want to post your list of mods can you PM me a list?

Hope all goes well with the dealer.

The update for today
 

I don't think this is going to turn out good.....But I know you guys told me so already.:crying:

The service manage the white shirt from the glass office sat me down to began to tell me that because the motor was mod’d i.e. CAI/BOV the repair would not be covered. Because the warranty doesn't cover these mods. So I asked him to call Mazda USA where because of the holidays they close at 2pm PST and don't have a full staff on hand, but we did get an agent who stated the same mods vs. warranty story. But thanks to the forum I insisted that we first have to know that these mods cause the motor to fail. The service manage told me that at the dealer ships they don't repair the blown motor they repair them at a cost of 8500 dollars.

The Mazda USA agent opened a case and said that he would get back in touch with me or the service manager, as to what the regional guy (the Big Boss) has to say about it.

I now understand why N.C. car dealership have stickers on the Service Dept. prohibiting entry with a firearm.

I guess I will have to wait till Monday, and the extended warranty is BS $2500+tax for what?

Sorry Taz,
-GG

man I reeally can not beeilieve they tell you a bov and intake blew your 3000 miles engine.. that is crazy! I would have lost it. literally I prob would have punched the dude out..lol

Bitter Sweet
 

What's guys.

I'm still with out a car but I guess its a good thing I live in florida cause for the whole month of January this MazdaSpeed owner has been without his car. But I figure it was time for an update, hell I even though that maybe I should be a member of any forum because I brought this on myself or maybe I should have just left the car in its stock form.....But then I slipped back into my right mind.

Saturday 1/31/2009
The motor was actually lowered from the car (The shop that doing the job are cool people big into dragsters and corvettes) anyway the workbench was full of all the new stuff I brought. but before I get to saturday I have to rewind back one week earlier :

Friday 1/23/2009
Ok Mr. Tazman your car is ready we found that the number two rod bearing spun on the crankshaft so we replaced the bearings with the OEM set (I Purchased from SU who rock by the way) you're just going to have to take it easy on the car. I picked the car up late friday afterhours, anyway I get in the car with a big kool aid smile on my face looked at the odometer which read 2780 mile (the DOA mileage was 2769) so I thinking cool still not 3K yet all is well. But there is this note in the car that reads drive the car like a grandma/grandpa ok so I'm thinking this is because the new bearing have to get seated. OK I pull out of the parking lot my house is an easy 48 miles from the place that is repairing the car oh ya in between there is a bridge call the skyway that I have you cross. ok back to the story I pull out of the parking out quick shifting not really doing any special but as the rpms climbed to 2500 I can hear this rattling in my gut I saying something isn't right something just isn't right I crawl about half way home because in my mind I'm hear this is a brand new car there is no way I can consider this fixed by a long shot, I end up returning the car back the shop that same night but that after cross the damn bridge once north bound then again south bound...(you just have to take my word an this the damn bridge is huge but not only that if I were to brake down I would be SOL. That saturday morningI call the shop owner and I'm like look there is no way I can except this job as being complete, he like I understand you did the right thing by returning the car before something major happened. Now the 24th was the 24 hours race at Daytona and of course my parts connection guys SU were out enjoy some good R&R. Hats off to them..... Fast forward.

The call was place to Mat/Chris and the new parts shipped:
1)complete gasket set
2)OEM main bearing
3)OEM Rod bearing
4)Head Studs by ????
5)Pauter Forged Rods
6)CP Custom Forged Pistons
7) Redline Tuning Hood Quicklift (Extra cause i hate looking for the hole)

Fast forward to present:
Today's phone conversation almost brought the New Yorker out of me not directed to any one person but just the WHOLE DAMN situation. While inspecting the clutch it was discovered that it to was damaged, so I jokingly ask can I just set fire to the DAMN car....... Now a Spec Stage 3 clutch kit is going to be ordered.

I know this is going to be one bad ass speed3 when its all said and done but it hurts :tapedshut: MAZDA Service/Warranty....

If I had the time or the funds the first thing that comes to mind is CLASS ACTION LAW SUITE. My name would be the first on the list.:neener:

Oh and by the way I have no idea when the car will be finished, I guess before the kids are out of school Hell I'm counting weeks forget days. Please don't let it be Months.

Sorry for the NOVEL, need to vent. I feel better now. :usa:

Wow, really sorry about this taz. I hope the shop is checking your crank and remachining if necessary. I also hope they are competent at assembling everything. Best of luck!

at least there will be another built ms3 in the community. sorry for all the bs they put you through!

oh yeah, have them remove that balance shaft assembly too!

I guess I'm the only one who thinks that Mazda shouldn't have to foot the bill if you mod the motor and it blows. Now thier reasons may have been suspect, but you had a BETA AP map on the car..

That being said if you purchased an extended warantee you should be able to have the prorated cost of the extended warantee refunded...and I hope your build goes smoothly..

A rod bearing failure under 3k miles has nothing to do with mods, its just a lemon part. Subies are notorious for this. Its pretty hard to cause bearing failure unless your heating something up down there a shit load which doesn't seem feasible with just an ap and intake.

Once you modify the engine control systems, anything is possible. And beating on the motor and/or overreving could cause a spun bearing, and the AP certianly doesn't help...

More info
 

Sorry for the Nubi question but why would I want to remove the Balance shaft assembly, Hell I'm to the point where I just want my car back...... I brought a test pipe and even took it to them and just today told not to install it because of the reported issues with smokin turbos. I know my panties may by showing here but damn I've paid for the whole bolt-on just because.