Torque Solutions RMM
 

Anyone ever run one of these?
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did a search on the forum and nothing came up....they are they cheapest of this style on the market (compared to SURE and CPE) and use the same materials.....

I actually just heard of Torque Solutions this passed weekend. Alot of my friends with Evos are running their mounts and love them. Didn't know they made shit for us as well...

i think imma give it a try. first i need to off my SU RMM

From MAP:


Torque Solution mounts are made of high quality billet aluminum material machined to precise tolerances. The heart of the mounts are made of high grade polyurethane material. These combination’s of materials and measurements allow for unmatched performance and reliability.For street and race applications. Some vibration noticeable.

Features:

Eliminates wheel hop / traction loss
Improved 60fts / e.t’s
Made out of lightweight 6061-T6 billet aluminum
Street and track torture tested
Black anodized / Torque Solution Laser engraved
5A durometer bushings
Life Time Warranty
Made in USA
Details


I wonder what the 5A duro equates to compared to SU & CP-E

Looks like another very nice option

typo. its 75

interesting.......

I really hope I'm wrong, but at first glance, they look to be a near-direct copy of the CP-E RMM.

Aside from the fact that they took the best thing about the CP-e mounts (the bushing material) and replaced it with polyurethane (an inferior material choice for this application, if you ask me)...

No thanks. I'll stick with my CP-e mount.

who cares. everyone copies everyone.

no no i had the same question about that so i pmed the map guy

one is 75A one is 95A...although on the website both have the same part number so when i order mine i am just going to pm the map guy on here and say i want the 75A

what is cp-e's bushing made out of?

edit: found it EPDM

Polyurethanes are widely used in high resiliency flexible foam seating, rigid foam insulation panels, microcellular foam seals and gaskets, durable elastomeric wheels and tires, automotive suspension bushings, electrical potting compounds, high performance adhesives, surface coatings and sealants, Spandex fibers, seals, gaskets, carpet underlay, and hard plastic parts (such as for electronic instruments).

EPDM rubber is used in vibrators and seals; glass-run channel; radiator, garden and appliance hose; tubing; washers; belts; electrical insulation, and speaker cone surrounds. It is also used as a medium for water resistance in electrical cable-jointing, roofing membranes, geomembranes, rubber mechanical goods, plastic impact modification, thermoplastic, vulcanizates, and many other applications.


hmm looks like EPDM is used mostly in seals....where is polyurethane is used for more durable applications

it also looks like for the most part EPDM has a lower UTS too. Published values I could find showed EPDM at roughly 25 MPa whereas Polyurethane is around 69-75 MPa

imo polyurethane is better...

ima ask our materials guy at work tomorrow

talked with our materials guy

he recommend polyurethane for the application

he cited greater tensile properties (higher strength), more resistant to elements (fuel/oil/ozone), and generally is all around a good general material for bushings

he even pointed to all of the high impact and wear areas that we use polyurethane bushings in our vehicles

im not knocking cp-e's product as i know it is very good....but i think im going to try the torque solutions (SURE also uses polyurethane)

curious about why cp-e chose EPDM and any reasons why it would be better? because from what i have found polyurethane wins out for this application

im going to get one as well. thanks for the info. im going to get some of their exhaust hangers too.

**edit
mount ordered. just called them about their exhaust hangers and they said they are near completion...2 weeks out

wanted to put some more info up about the varying designs we have avaliable

Cp-E
EPDM bushing
small metal insert in center for bolt to pass through
bushing is as thick as the actual mount (bushing does not come up out of the mount)
also appears to have the greatest thickness of material from the outside edge to the bushing as well as an overall large amount of bushing material
Extremely SOLID chunk of metal build...more vibes?
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4644/cpe.png
SURE
Polyurethane
similar design to Cp-e
has a material cut out near bushing.....allows for more flex? not as harsh with vibes?
SURE mount appears to have the MOST bushing material (diameter wise) but small material from the edge to the bushing. Bushing is also thicker than CP-e
more bushing material = less vibes?
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/9566/sure1.png
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3471/sure2.png
Torque Solutions
Polyurethane bushing
this one has what appears to be the most radically different design
it has the SMALLEST amount of bushing material but appears to be thick like SURE
instead of using a large bushing with a small metal insert...this mount appears to have a LARGE metal piece surround by the bushing and then the mount
less bushing = more vibes?
EDIT: THE RMM PICTURED HERE IS NOT THE ACTUAL MOUNT WE GET. OUR MOUNT HAS A LARGE BUSHING IDENTICAL IN LOOK TO THE SURE MOUNT.
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4407/54079593.png
now...what does all this mean? mmmm not sure....may be as simple as different tools for the same job

imo the less bushing material you have the more durable the mount...so TS seems to have that going for it....but it appears as if SURE would be the one to produce the least amount of vibes

curious of thoughts from everyone else? im an engineer but ive only been out of school for 2 years so other's thoughts and experience would be great

i guess the most analytical way to do this is to have one car install all 3 over time...with accelerometer data....

personally i am going to move forward with the TS

240...let us know how it turns out...i will be right behind you once i get some money together

Nice breakdown trex! I would like to see what a rep from each company would have to say...although it'll just break down into a big pissing contest like always

I prefer the EPDM the way CP-e does it - with a rather large bushing and caps that help distribute force throughout the bushing - over just about any polyurethane mount for a few reasons:

-EPDM actually withstands heat better and resists deformation better than polyurethane
-Those caps that CP-E uses really seem to help take the fatiguing stresses off the center pin of the bushing, which can't be anything but good for increasing longevity
-EPDM requires no lubrication

If you're building a racecar, EPDM might not be ideal, but if you still DD your car and you have grown out of the "boy racer" stage of your life, I think the CP-E mount is the way to go.

Looks like a nice product with a great price. Waiting to hear some reviews.

right the more i think about it...the more i believe the cp-e would produce the least amount of vibes...not sure i really buy into the material removing done by SURE and i think TS will end up being the stiffest mount....regardless im going to give it a shot

i would like to hear the vendors weigh in on this...i dont believe TS is a vendor here though...and im sure it would end up turning into a big marketing match but it would still be interesting to hear more points

hey 240 if you wouldnt mind.....when you get your mount put some water in a cup and take a video with oem...then do the same thing after the mount with the same cup...just at idle...may be interesting?

ill have the SU MM right now. so i can do it with that and the TS. i believe i have the SU Street bushing b.c i dont notice any vibes with it. especially wheni came from the TRZ.

but ive had the Faildevil, TRZ and SU mounts and the SU vibes the least...thats for sure

I found less vibes with the CPE 75 duro RM vs the Streetunit Street RMM. I had the 2-piece SU mount, though.

i had the two piece as well but i cant speak on that, i never had the CPE mount. but i never felt the vibes from the SU

so, to be accurate -- i had SU's all around, and then I switched just the RMM for the CPE RMM. This made a very noticeable decrease in vibes, while no noticeable difference in performance.

so far the mount is great. still breaking in but i dont noticed the vibs. i only turn on my a/c when its super hot. but i turned it on just to feel how much the mount has broken in and they are less noticeable than whn brand new...which is a given.

ill report back after i put a couple hundred more miles on it

i know i'm gravedigging here, got an update on the Torque Solutions Mount?
Hows it holding out?

I have one of these, pretty good. Doesn't eliminate all wheelhop but the vibes are barely noticeable. Worth the money IMO!!

Zero Issues. Has been Great.

Yeah, zero issues for me too. 25k hard drivin'!!

why do other companies still even make mounts? @jbarone has the best ones

This mount has been out since before his. Get your shit straight.

It's all about JBR.

If you're serious about performance, go bone or go home!!

I have the ts rmm and love it. I have hardly any vibration at all. It is only noticable when starting the car up or turning on the ac. I also got it on ebay for $100!

did i say it wasnt?

It was the implication.

mine arrived today, fitting this weekend, hoping for good things!

How are things going with this mount? How are the vibes/harshness/noise?

Haven't fitted it yet, going to get the car serviced and have my squeaky rear suspension fixed first, then fit the rmm after that. Gotta be stock for warranty work FTL .