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[k0m]

hey all,

quick question but a very important one, at least in my opinion. when exactly should you "tune" your car? i recently installed a re-worked turbo in my car and ive noticed some boost cut every now and then when i get on it and the car doesnt feel as strong as it use too. is that because the ecu cant compensate for all the added air flowing thru the cai, ported and polished turbo, downpipe, and cbe? if so does that mean i need to purchase a standback or some other form of tuning? also i plan on goin to an upgraded tmic which would again increase airflow.

thx for any suggestions

[oskinosmee]

If you dont have a fuel pump your asking for trouble

[Buildabong]

zoom zoom boom coming for ya!

[phailerider]

your next mods should be a standback and a fuel pump. then you should feel safe to start your car up again. until then, give it a nice car wash and enjoy it in the driveway.

[oskinosmee]

LOL pretty much

[Buildabong]

or internals then standback...

[k0m]

wow ok...not what i was expecting but ok...is it because of the turbo? cai? tbe? or all of them put together? could i remove say the cai until i purchase the stnadback and hpfp? also should the pump come first before the standback? i had heard that just the "internals" from PG werent recommended and that the cpe fuel pump wpuld be the better way to go. true?

[Darksun280]

I never understood the people upgrading turbos before covering the basic stuff....

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by k0m wow ok...not what i was expecting but ok...is it because of the turbo? cai? tbe? or all of them put together? could i remove say the cai until i purchase the stnadback and hpfp? also should the pump come first before the standback? i had heard that just the "internals" from PG werent recommended and that the cpe fuel pump wpuld be the better way to go. true?

Issue is the bigger turbo my friend... 100%. guys with tbe and increased boost on the stock turbo, and stock pump run the risk of blowing the fuck up, ESPECIALLY if they are untuned. youre 100% gonna blow with the symptoms youre already describing. 100%... it could happen tonight. do not boost your car agin unless you want to see a hole in the block.

on the fuel pump question, i wont weigh in on the "better way to go", because i sell one of the options... but yes, a fuel pump is the next step. then if not a tune, definitely get a meth kit to go along WITH the cdfp. a standback and a dashhawk is MANDATORY with a bt in my opinion. the only other option is to drown it in meth untuned. run 9's a/fs if you want to be "safe".

removing the cai is not the next step.... 15 psi is the next step. do not raise boost until you do something along the lines of the above.

trust me on this.... the odds of blowing with a bigger turbo on the oem fuel pump is gauranteed. I know of NOBODY who has pulled that off successfully. not if they raised boost, and didnt take these other measures.

[k0m]

Originally Posted by palerider Issue is the bigger turbo my friend... 100%. guys with tbe and increased boost on the stock turbo, and stock pump run the risk of blowing the fuck up, ESPECIALLY if they are untuned. youre 100% gonna blow with the symptoms youre already describing. 100%... it could happen tonight. do not boost your car agin unless you want to see a hole in the block. on the fuel pump question, i wont weigh in on the "better way to go", because i sell one of the options... but yes, a fuel pump is the next step. then if not a tune, definitely get a meth kit to go along WITH the cdfp. a standback and a dashhawk is MANDATORY with a bt in my opinion. the only other option is to drown it in meth untuned. run 9's a/fs if you want to be "safe". removing the cai is not the next step.... 15 psi is the next step. do not raise boost until you do something along the lines of the above. trust me on this.... the odds of blowing with a bigger turbo on the oem fuel pump is gauranteed. I know of NOBODY who has pulled that off successfully. not if they raised boost, and didnt take these other measures.

ok i think there is some sort of misscommunication here. i DID NOT go to a bigger turbo. I replaced the stock turbo with another STOCK REWORKED turbo from PG. i have NOT upped the boost at all. the ecu has been controlling that the whole time. I have only seen it spike once or twice. i have only experienced boost cut 3 or 4 times.

[JimmyMac]

Tune as you add mods or make changes to your car. My very first mod to the car (besides lighter wheels) was an XEDE. This covered me for each and every thing I added to the car afterwards. Since then I've moved on to a Standback, but my car has always had a tuning solution since day one of modding. Fuel pump was added when it first became available. That should be at the top of everyone's list when modding as well. And as Randy has said, get a dashhawk or something that you can monitor your engine vitals.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by k0m ok i think there is some sort of misscommunication here. i DID NOT go to a bigger turbo. I replaced the stock turbo with another STOCK REWORKED turbo from PG. i have NOT upped the boost at all. the ecu has been controlling that the whole time. I have only seen it spike once or twice. i have only experienced boost cut 3 or 4 times.

a well done reworked stock turbo is a BT. Like i said... untuned, raised boost, oem fuel pump = boom.

you raised boost with the bigger turbo, and your car is letting you know with the stumble. i wouldnt be surpriosed if your fuel pressure were dipping below 1000psi right now, and youre not even aware. are you datalogging?

did you talk to Ken about this?

[TRU-BOOST]

With a reworked turbo you wontb EVER need a tune. I've been running around like that for months now. I am am fully bolted on a stock block with a big k04 and 20psi all day long. Get the fuel pump internal from PG and go to town. If you want more boost run a MBC. It works fine.... Hell it got me in he 12's with basic bolt ons last year. I would suggest the ecu flashes from cpe to get throttle control and stop all that BS throttle cut.

[fbpem1]

Originally Posted by palerider a well done reworked stock turbo is a BT. Like i said... untuned, raised boost, oem fuel pump = boom. you raised boost with the bigger turbo, and your car is letting you know with the stumble. i wouldnt be surpriosed if your fuel pressure were dipping below 1000psi right now, and youre not even aware. are you datalogging? did you talk to Ken about this?

i dropped to 500psi today and kept my foot in it to see what it would do it just kinda stopped moving...my motor won't blow...WHY!? lol

[k0m]

Originally Posted by palerider a well done reworked stock turbo is a BT. Like i said... untuned, raised boost, oem fuel pump = boom. you raised boost with the bigger turbo, and your car is letting you know with the stumble. i wouldnt be surpriosed if your fuel pressure were dipping below 1000psi right now, and youre not even aware. are you datalogging? did you talk to Ken about this?

the only data logging i have done was i went to go get a dyno done the other day. i did it just to make sure my a/f ratios were ok and i wasnt running to lean. it started out at 14:1 and dropped all the way to 8:1 at the 6krpm range. not sure if that means anything. no i have not talked to ken about it.

[subparpunk03]

15 psi on stock turbo does not equal 15 psi on reworked turbo. Why? The compressor map has changed (albeit not by a whole lot)

Its not just about the pressure in the system, its about the amount of air that is being moved through the system, whoever said "reworked turbo is like going with a bigger turbo" is pretty much right.

You NEED a fuel pump. For sure.

You might be OK without a tune... but let me just say that the difference between a car with the reworked turbo tuned vs untuned is night and day.

I've been pretty pessimistic with my reworked turbo until recently. I've FINALLY gotten the thing running right and its a monster now. Do yourself a favor and pickup a fuel pump, a meth kit and some way to tune with it all.

[k0m]

Originally Posted by subparpunk03 15 psi on stock turbo does not equal 15 psi on reworked turbo. Why? The compressor map has changed (albeit not by a whole lot) Its not just about the pressure in the system, its about the amount of air that is being moved through the system, whoever said "reworked turbo is like going with a bigger turbo" is pretty much right. You NEED a fuel pump. For sure. You might be OK without a tune... but let me just say that the difference between a car with the reworked turbo tuned vs untuned is night and day. I've been pretty pessimistic with my reworked turbo until recently. I've FINALLY gotten the thing running right and its a monster now. Do yourself a favor and pickup a fuel pump, a meth kit and some way to tune with it all.

ok well i def appreciate all the help i guess ill put in an order with su for a standback and cpe pump tommorw...another 1500 bucs...nice :/

[subparpunk03]

you are doing the :/ now but after you install you will be doing:

zomg doodz! this is the schniznoz! For realz homieguys! lol11!

car won't cut and you'll be having issues getting traction in third gear. Its worth the money.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by k0m ok well i def appreciate all the help i guess ill put in an order with su for a standback and cpe pump tommorw...another 1500 bucs...nice :/

uh.... it wont be 1500 bucks ordering it through me man. not close.

[k0m]

ok well i got the dashhawk and attempted to do some datalogging. i put all the pids i wanted to monitor and off i went. the 2 things i was mainly looking for was afr and fuel pressure. when i pulled up the log on the comp though it didnt show any of what i thought it was recording. is there a way to change that? i did notice that when @ wot fuel pressure was right 1800. would that indicate i have enough fuel?

[meatball84]

good luck dude

[martyxattack]

you realize you need to know how to tune once you get the standback right. i just dont understand going out and getting something like a reworked turbo and not knowing you should be tuning for your mods

[k0m]

Originally Posted by martyxattack you realize you need to know how to tune once you get the standback right. i just dont understand going out and getting something like a reworked turbo and not knowing you should be tuning for your mods

yes ty i realize i need to know how to tune. i figure with the help of datalogging from the DH and the standback jordan can try and create some custom maps. im also taking it to a local shop here that knows how to tune with the SB.

[gsrtype1]

Get the Standback and a dashawk ASAP and tune your ride for your mods. And yeah you will ned a fuel pump as well.

[wassup61]

Hey OP,
You definitely need a fuel pump with those mods. I also STRONGLY suggest a data monitoring device, the most user friendly being the Dash Hawk. You may or may not want to consider a tuning solution, but the best for your mods would be a CP-E Standback V2.

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