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 Old 03-07-2009, 11:15 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by babcockxmx View Post
if you were to purchase the ptp windage tray make sure you can get ahold of john first
Or Nic.
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Originally Posted by 06Speed6 View Post
Actually that depends, typically on the cheaper race stuff it can be combined. On a actual road race car they have a windage tray and a oil pan with one way oil passages. Once that oil goes through that one way valve it isn't going anywhere except through the pickup. Some pans use a trap door method and some use a ball valve, both are very effective.
Trap door is very effective for a race car that meets "specific" needs. They (teams and builders) normally build pans for particular tracks that have a higher or lower "hold volume" in the trap. You would have to build a specific pan to meet the needs of the car/track its running on in order to get the most out of it. Keep in mind that very few street driven cars run pans like this, of which I am sure that you know the reasons why.
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Originally Posted by 06Speed6 View Post
The F2 and Carpe Diem look nearly the same except the F2 has rivets and the Carpe has screws and nuts. I don't care for either of those fasteners because of the 1 in a million chance that a 10 cent piece of metal could grenade my $5000 engine. If I had to chose though, I would take the F2 since rivets are probably less likely to come lose.

Baffles are very good in that they serve to keep as much oil as possible around the oil pickup, they are not especially designed to keep oil in the rest of the pan. These are mainly designed to be cheap effective oil control.

The Ptp design is the leading design so far although it has some shortcomings Once the oil is in the pan I have serious reservations about its ability to keep the oil around the pickup as well as the other designs. Second I think the windage screen is far far too open for any real oil control, that screen really needs to be more of a mesh. Fortunately it appears that you can just pull the screen out and replace it with something better.

I also think all the options on the market are priced at least 4x what they are actually worth.

Check this company out for some actual race windage trays which I have used in the past, the link is to their universal one way screen kit which I would put on the PTP kit if I bought it.

Canton Racing Products

I would tact weld the rivets for extra security.
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I'm gonna install my PTP kit this weekend. BSD and windage tray. And if i can grow the balls i'll cut the ring gear too. Thats scary shit !
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