WOTBOX.. can/will it damage anything?
 

Ive read quite a few posts lately on the theoretical damage one of these wotboxes can cause. Some people's ideas ranging from blown engines, to damaging the turbine in the turbo. I am more than aware it will quickly ruin a stock cat, so I wont include that in my question. And rather than thread jack some other threads, I thought I'd start my own.

Launch control and the 2 step feature both cut ignition, so as long as your not sitting there showing off with your launch controll feature, this discussion should cover both modes.

Im just after some opinions. Is this unburnt fuel igniting in the turbne housing causing damage?

I cant see how.. but is anyone under the impression this can cause engine damage?

Let me know what you guys think.:feedback:

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Doc

I will clog up your cat , I had my cat replaced by the dealer under warrentee and they never saw the wat box, the most amazing thing is that I had my car all stickered up and diffrent suspension and everything and they still replaced them and the bill was like 3500$ HAHAHA I still laugh about it, its the little things in life

Fratman

aske sneakypete how he blew up his cat from the wot box.....


go catless

Thanks guys.. i understand the cat dramas.. however im speaking of turbine damage to the turbo, or even (doubtful) engine damage

I'm going catless... I as well would also like to know the side effects of the WOTBOX/race logic traction control

as the other guys said, i'm only aware of cat damage.

at first thought i'd expect the engine to be safe. the actual load on the engine should not be a huge deal seeing as it's cutting ignition and effectively running rich.

turbine, that's a tricky one. you might be able to argue that excess gas could ignite/explode right next to the turbo on either the manifold or exhaust side. this added stress might (theoretically) damage the turbine in some way. shaft play comes to mind for me.

of course, i'm speaking conceptually. if engine/turbo damage did occur, i would expect that there'd be more info out there about the dangers of LC/FFS in other turbo cars (subies, evo's, etc.) that have been around for awhile.

Good point.. I've definatly looked. There's not much out there. My exhaust guy said my 100 cell metal cat will be fine with it.

Any other thoughts?

Thanks,
Doc

I just want to throw into the conversation that many race motors dump fuel to actually help cool things. So besides cats clogging, I think detonation in the turbo due to low quality fuel might be of the most concern.

im not sure if the quality of the fuel would have anything to do with it.. i think any fuel will ignite when it hits a hot turbine at high temps... the question is is going to bugger anything?

Thanks for your input though mate..:bigok:

and those damn videos of yours are funny as hell...

The WOTBOX works by cutting the ignition at the preset RPM level, right? If so, you'd have the same kind of problems you'd have with a VTA BOV. That being said, I wouldn't recommend running one.

On a side-note, since we have drive-by-wire systems, I'm sure there's a way to trick the car into believing you're holding the car at part-throttle and then flip the switch as you launch to let the car read the full input.

What'cha think?

Wasn't the AP race supposed to have a launch mode in it?

It does...And it does a fuel cut for FFS and rev limiter for launch control if memory serves me correctly. It works very well.

Jamie

run catless anyway, all it dose is restriction, and we all know we dont want restriction in a turbo exhaust and just so all of you that think you will fail an inspection if applicable as long as ur cel isnt on for 02 your good, they dont do a physcal inspection checking to see if you have a cat or not. As far as turbine damage, yea probly more likely with a cat as well cause it causes that excess pressure between the turbo and the cat, and thats where you will get the buildup/backfire of the unburnt, anther reason to kick the cats, if your boosting that backfires gonna be way down the pipes not near the turbine. And yea the ap dose do both launch control, and wot shifting and it works real well seeing you know hoe to tune it.

I dont feel it cuts fuel it cuts ignition that is whyi clogs the cat too much unburned fuel / soot =clogged cat

I didn't think they did a visual inspection either since our cars are newer than 1994, but I took Wakeboardude's car to get an inspection because he has a catless DP and the first thing the inspection center did was grab their stick with a mirror on the bottom and look for a cat. He didn't even plug anything into the OBDII sensor. He said it was a failure since he couldn't find a cat. I know because I was about to buy a catless DP, but since I live in an area with inspections I had to go with a catted DP.

I have a DP on my site SeriouSpeed with a removable CAT I am also thinking about getting just the removable cat to ship to guys, just to get the inspection when done then they can ship it back. Get the inspection , no worries and extra HP for a couple of years, then we do it again.

Fartman

hehe, he said "Fartman"....

I farted

I know here in Ga. they do physical checks to see if you have a cat or not. They passed a law now that the emissions stations can be fined up to $25,000.00 for every cat not instance but cat. So if your car is equipped with 2 and they pass you being catless they can be fined up to 50K.Actually I think this may be a federal law for anywhere that does testing, can't remember for sure but I spent a couple hours on the phone talking to the state EPA office talking to a guy about the new laws.

The WOT BOX hates cats hell I don't think it even likes dogs all that much. I would think theoretically there could be some serious motor damage from the wot box casing your cat to explode. When my cat "EXPLODED" I was lucky I was close to home as it became so clogged I think it was creating enough back pressure to the motor that there had to be a strain on the motor trying to push the exhaust gasses through the cat. I had a picture of the crap I got out of the second cat from when the first cat exploded and it would blow your mind to see all the shit I got out of it......ask lenny he saw a picture of it.

Matter of fact the motor in my Miata blew years ago from the cat doing the same thing. Well the motor didn't blow but from the back pressure the pin on the crankshaft broke and before I could get the car stopped shit had gotten wollered out and jumped time the engine had to be rebuilt because of it.

Hope this helps.