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LumberJack 09-05-2013 10:00 AM
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Below is a picture for demonstration and representation purposes. Notice how long the merge collector is and the longer sweeping angle of entry into the merge collector. Regardless of the platform this manifold is for in the picture. It dictates and extremely well designed and flowing merge collector.

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BigRedSpecial 09-05-2013 10:16 AM
For comparison:

FullRace (best pictures I could find, but they do show the angle WRT the flange plate):
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...content-19.jpg

http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server30....1280.1280.jpg

CP-e:
http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server30....1280.1280.jpg

They all (FR, CP-e and AFI) all merge at a very shallow angle. Compare that to the XS Power or my Full Race... saying they merge at 45* isn't that big of an exaggeration.

maisonvi 09-05-2013 10:23 AM
This is interesting. I will have to look at my DNP I have going in this weekend and see how its collector looks.

dzikusnj 09-05-2013 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NJSPEED3 (Post 2241769)
Teddy's example is good in showing how different designs can produce more power.

Teddy's tuner saw a big change in the data logs after his AFI manifold was installed. Teddy'sa tuner also saw changes when he installed my intake manifold. The proper changes were made and gains were had.

If Lumberjack reported 0 changes in the logs than I think its safe to say this manifold flows the same or less than the stock one.

What gauge thickness is the tubing?

Personally for 400-425whp I think the stock manifold will do fine. Save up and buy a proper exhaust manifold and do it right one time. As far as stock flange exhaust manifolds, I really like the CPE one. The CPE manifold collector is huge compared to some other manifolds. This might explain why those guys make easy power. I have a local here in NJ making 450whp on low timing and not much boost 25psi (atp gtx3076) IF I'm not mistaken.
yeah made 450 with very low timing at 11* and 26psi this thing is flowing huge amounts of air

h0ckeyman 09-05-2013 10:10 PM
Install is complete. Couldn't fire her up because it changed the position of my turbo slightly so I have to get a different coupler.
@LumberJack;

You must have gotten a pretty messed up manifold, because I will be honest...install was an absolute breeze. Went on like a stock mani.

Cross your fingers for me that I dont have a leak!

LumberJack 09-05-2013 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by h0ckeyman (Post 2243385)
Install is complete. Couldn't fire her up because it changed the position of my turbo slightly so I have to get a different coupler.
@LumberJack;

You must have gotten a pretty messed up manifold, because I will be honest...install was an absolute breeze. Went on like a stock mani.

Cross your fingers for me that I dont have a leak!
Well glad to hear. I've texted staybroke asking for another manifold to test and that was per Kevin. He wants to get us another one to side by side test. Sounds like mine was just a bad apple of the bunch.

What turbo are you on?

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h0ckeyman 09-05-2013 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 2243392)
Well glad to hear. I've texted staybroke asking for another manifold to test and that was per Kevin. He wants to get us another one to side by side test. Sounds like mine was just a bad apple of the bunch.

What turbo are you on?

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ATP gtx3071...so same exact compressor housing as you. That bolt by the turbo was definitely close but I got it on in like 30 seconds. I also unbolted the DP from the catback for wiggle room which helped. Did the whole install solo as well.


Also, if you didn't use it last time...trust me, use copper spray. That shit is amazing at stopping leaks before they start.

LumberJack 09-05-2013 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by h0ckeyman (Post 2243398)
ATP gtx3071...so same exact compressor housing as you. That bolt by the turbo was definitely close but I got it on in like 30 seconds. I also unbolted the DP from the catback for wiggle room which helped. Did the whole install solo as well.
Yeah I did the same with the dp to catback for the extra wiggle room seemed to definitely help a little. Did you use new oem gaskets as well? I'm ordering new gaskets again tonight just because I'll replace them again when I either replace mine with another or go back to stock. Get her fired up and let me know if you have any leaks

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h0ckeyman 09-05-2013 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 2243400)
Yeah I did the same with the dp to catback for the extra wiggle room seemed to definitely help a little. Did you use new oem gaskets as well? I'm ordering new gaskets again tonight just because I'll replace them again when I either replace mine with another or go back to stock. Get her fired up and let me know if you have any leaks

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Reused the gasket..so we will see. If there is a leak I will be getting a new OEM gasket and replacing it. I know you are supposed to but I have reused it before and it was fine. We shall see.

h0ckeyman 09-06-2013 11:04 AM
Ok so, my boy Lukasz is always clutch and had a coupler for me to use for now. Thanks again man.


NO LEAKS! Thank god.

So I took it for a spin. Spool is definitely quicker, not AFI quicker but noticabley better. I also took a quick log and goddamn. VD is showing about 25WHP more than I have ever shown on VD. WG duty % is down 5% up top as well. Now this is only one log, and its a nice and mild day today, but VD is showing 385whp, I usually VD 340-360whp, I always take logs at the same stretch of road as well. I am not saying that it is conclusive that this mani has given me performance gains...but it's looking good so far.

Overall, @LumberJack; I think my results are just as trivial as yours. We need more testers! Just one result is only a small piece to a large puzzle. I hope you get another mani to try because I suspect that the one you had never sealed correctly to the head or something. My install was so much easier than yours too. Maybe the head flange on yours was slightly warped or something. Also, dude...use copper spray! That shit is amazing.

I have a lot more testing to do over the next couple of weeks and I will let you know my final conclusions but I like the mani so far.
@StayBroke;

LumberJack 09-06-2013 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by h0ckeyman (Post 2244018)
Ok so, my boy Lukasz is always clutch and had a coupler for me to use for now. Thanks again man.


NO LEAKS! Thank god.

So I took it for a spin. Spool is definitely quicker, not AFI quicker but noticabley better. I also took a quick log and goddamn. VD is showing about 25WHP more than I have ever shown on VD. WG duty % is down 5% up top as well. Now this is only one log, and its a nice and mild day today, but VD is showing 385whp, I usually VD 340-360whp, I always take logs at the same stretch of road as well. I am not saying that it is conclusive that this mani has given me performance gains...but it's looking good so far.

Overall, @LumberJack; I think my results are just as trivial as yours. We need more testers! Just one result is only a small piece to a large puzzle. I hope you get another mani to try because I suspect that the one you had never sealed correctly to the head or something. My install was so much easier than yours too. Maybe the head flange on yours was slightly warped or something. Also, dude...use copper spray! That shit is amazing.

I have a lot more testing to do over the next couple of weeks and I will let you know my final conclusions but I like the mani so far.
@StayBroke;
Well glad to hear everything worked out for you and you're showing improvements in your logs because like I said I saw 0.

I hope I can get another one here quickly because my car is getting so bad and loud its almost undriveable. I've texted @StayBroke; again last night requesting another like Kevin asked me too, but no response. Hopefully he can get back to me.

GL with the rest. If I get another one ill have it in quickly with new gaskets and copper spray thanks for that little added tip.

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NJSPEED3 09-06-2013 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by h0ckeyman (Post 2244018)
Ok so, my boy Lukasz is always clutch and had a coupler for me to use for now. Thanks again man.


NO LEAKS! Thank god.

So I took it for a spin. Spool is definitely quicker, not AFI quicker but noticabley better. I also took a quick log and goddamn. VD is showing about 25WHP more than I have ever shown on VD. WG duty % is down 5% up top as well. Now this is only one log, and its a nice and mild day today, but VD is showing 385whp, I usually VD 340-360whp, I always take logs at the same stretch of road as well. I am not saying that it is conclusive that this mani has given me performance gains...but it's looking good so far.

Overall, @LumberJack; I think my results are just as trivial as yours. We need more testers! Just one result is only a small piece to a large puzzle. I hope you get another mani to try because I suspect that the one you had never sealed correctly to the head or something. My install was so much easier than yours too. Maybe the head flange on yours was slightly warped or something. Also, dude...use copper spray! That shit is amazing.

I have a lot more testing to do over the next couple of weeks and I will let you know my final conclusions but I like the mani so far.
@StayBroke;

Can you post data logs please?

StayBroke 09-06-2013 11:09 AM
I have to get with the other guy in this, but ill try and talk him into it. He has given about 4 of these for testing for free so i dont no how this will go over when i ask to send another out.

But as i stated before, this is not as good as afi etc, and i no the merge collector needs to be taller. But we will make a V2 which will incorporate all these things if we every get rid of this batch first.

h0ckeyman 09-06-2013 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by NJSPEED3 (Post 2244027)
Can you post data logs please?
I will eventually. Like I said it's only one log so far so I need to do a lot more testing to see if I am actually getting performance gains from this manifold. Whatever conclusion I come to I will surely post the evidence of that conclusion when I come to it.

LumberJack 09-06-2013 11:28 AM
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I'll post the logs for this in a little bit, but since I hadn't posted any DATA yet, here is a VD same stretch of road I always use, this was the same night, before and after the stock manifold when I thought the New Manifold was sealing properly.

NOTE: I'm down a bit on power lately because it's been oooooh, about 100+ everyday with some intense crazy humidity! Normally I'm around a solid 400-415/400tq

h0ckeyman 09-08-2013 05:49 PM
Hey @LumberJack; I just remembered something about the install I wanted to ask you about.

On the stock EM gasket, there is a rivet on the passenger side right near the alternator. Due to the size of the flange on the EM, this rivet will interfere with the flange sealing to the motor. I removed this rivet during installation, did you remove any rivets? That would certainly explain a big leak. Let me know.

LumberJack 09-08-2013 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by h0ckeyman (Post 2246567)
Hey @LumberJack; I just remembered something about the install I wanted to ask you about.

On the stock EM gasket, there is a rivet on the passenger side right near the alternator. Due to the size of the flange on the EM, this rivet will interfere with the flange sealing to the motor. I removed this rivet during installation, did you remove any rivets? That would certainly explain a big leak. Let me know.
I didn't remove any rivets and didn't see any on the stock gasket that would cause interference. I will definitely check this tonight now that you mention this. My leak is not coming from there (per bbq lighter) its coming from the middle of the manifold and the relief cut in the flange.

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h0ckeyman 09-08-2013 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 2246574)
I didn't remove any rivets and didn't see any on the stock gasket that would cause interference. I will definitely check this tonight now that you mention this. My leak is not coming from there (per bbq lighter) its coming from the middle of the manifold and the relief cut in the flange.

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Ok, yeah take a peak along the top side near the alternator. I noticed that the flange was not flush and took it off to see the rivet.

LumberJack 09-08-2013 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by h0ckeyman (Post 2246581)
Ok, yeah take a peak along the top side near the alternator. I noticed that the flange was not flush and took it off to see the rivet.
I definitely will check that when I'm off work. How is yours coming now after a few days

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h0ckeyman 09-08-2013 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 2246583)
I definitely will check that when I'm off work. How is yours coming now after a few days

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Pretty good. Showing a small but consistent amount lower wgdc and a little more IDC up top. Midrange spool is better by about 100rpm. I just sent Justin some logs so we will see what it is really doing soon enough. Worst case scenario I have a mani that is working right and flows a little better than stock. Like everyone said, it's not a world beater but also hopefully not a piece of junk.

beachshoer 09-08-2013 07:23 PM
I see these popping up on EBAY now. Hmmmm...

So what's the consensus??? Worth it or not??

superdave2335 09-08-2013 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by h0ckeyman (Post 2240253)

Teddy he's maxed out at 25psi on E85. You made like what 430whp on the SS right? Then with this AFI it seems like 475-500whp...because you turned the boost up. He's maxed out on IDC because he has no more fuel...hence no gains.
You got to remember power isn't made from solely boost. It's all about air flow man. If that tubular mani is making that turbo flow more efficiently then more power will be made on the same boost and maybe less tbh.

sent from the igloo.

Edit: read over more post. Looks like this was already covered. My bad

DTKII 09-08-2013 07:47 PM
I love the thought of this being a worth while manifold it brings more competition so prices drop. Since AFI came on the market I've noticed the price on the cp-e and full race manifold have dropped. Hopefully this will have the same effect. Thanks to everyone that is testing these out!

molasses 12-23-2013 04:49 AM
Any talk about this mani still? Or another thread? Im pretty close to jumping on a V2 but one question.... Will this fit with TMIC?

skiptowncat 12-23-2013 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by molasses (Post 2388380)
Any talk about this mani still? Or another thread? Im pretty close to jumping on a V2 but one question.... Will this fit with TMIC?
I'm told it will from someone on a different thread.

molasses 12-23-2013 07:17 AM
Well from the looks of install pick from another thread, it will fit with tmic

ledfootrob 12-24-2013 03:38 AM
I installed mine over the last few days and had nothing but problems. Had problems getting turbo support bracket off and had to remove turbo to get it off. Modified the bracket to fit then had problems getting the stock oil drain bolted back up as it no longer sat right. My downpipe and exhaust has been moved forward and is close to hitting in a few spots and now I have a knock coming from somewhere I havent been able to pinpoint yet.

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molasses 12-24-2013 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ledfootrob (Post 2389329)
I installed mine over the last few days and had nothing but problems. Had problems getting turbo support bracket off and had to remove turbo to get it off. Modified the bracket to fit then had problems getting the stock oil drain bolted back up as it no longer sat right. My downpipe and exhaust has been moved forward and is close to hitting in a few spots and now I have a knock coming from somewhere I havent been able to pinpoint yet.

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V1 or V2?

MattJackson86 12-24-2013 11:25 AM
IMO, dont buy the V2 yet. Some said it worked fine for them, but nothing but a major headache for me.

Read this thread for all the info: http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...l-pics-154973/

molasses 12-24-2013 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MattJackson86 (Post 2389611)
IMO, dont buy the V2 yet. Some said it worked fine for them, but nothing but a major headache for me.

Read this thread for all the info: http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...l-pics-154973/

Thanks, I will wait a few more months and see how it turns out. Going with a catted DP for now while this evolves

JDMCRX 12-24-2013 05:15 PM
Interesting

ledfootrob 12-25-2013 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by molasses (Post 2389539)
V1 or V2?
Mine is a V2. Haven't come across any leaks but haven't really driven it much yet either.

ledfootrob 12-30-2013 05:20 PM
Im asking for a refund on my V2 manifold. Had many fitment issues and now find that its leaking. It aint worth the trouble. Gonna cost me shipping it back from Australia but otherwise it's useless.

davychronic 08-26-2015 04:28 PM
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meant to post in Turbo Steves thread oops


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