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So, i was driving my ms6 today and noticed that I can shift gears up without the use of the clutch and without scratching gears. That got me very scared. to be specific this is what happened:
I was driving towards a stop sing and coming to a complete stop when I engaged 2nd gear (I do that at times instead of 1st gear to take off), but this time I couldn't remember if I used the clutch or not. So what I did was, I drove and tried again. Nothing happened, but I then started trying different things. Until I shifted from 3rd gear to neutral without depressing the clutch and almost engaged 4th gear. Which made me try again. So finally I found out that when I shifted from gear x to neutral, the revs would go down slowly and I was able to shift to gear x+1, all without the use of the clutch. Now, I know that some cars like the Nissan 370z has some sort of rev matching technology that allows that to happen. The point is that I never heard of our car having such a thing. Which made me scared because I really dont have money to spend on a new clutch. and even if I did, I would prefer spending it on power adder than that. (yes, I know more power requires better clutch, so please save the rhetoric). Also, I need to point out that I have NEVER had any clutch problem with this car. I'm on 75k now. so, does anyone have this happening to them? any thoughts?
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idk i never tried, i can't imagine there is something wrong with your clutch if you're not even depressing it. i go from gear to neutral all the time without the clutch tho. u just blip the gas so the load is taken off and it will slide right out intro neutral
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You can shift without using the clutch, by rev matching. But I wouldn't recommend it. It wears out your synchros more quickly.
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Reminds me of the time my car broke down and @phate drove it back without using the clutch. It was an epic moment.
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Simple, you match the revs as you would normaly and you can engage gears by syncing them to the appropriate engine speed, nothings wrong with your car or clutch, sometimes this is refered to as "Floating Gears" you can do this in just about any Manual transmission, new or old

how ever missing this rev match/forcing it to happen quikly can result in grinding gears, wich of course is bad...

next time be a bit more careful, some things on cars you dont wanna learn the hard way by just "trying stuff out"
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First manual car huh? Try driving a big rig with 15 gears, only time you ever touch the clutch is to engage first and reverse. It's completely normal and safe so long as you do it correctly.
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yeah keep driving without clutch, you will be alright.

Your wallet and your tranny might sing a different tune though.

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You can shift without using the clutch, by rev matching. But I wouldn't recommend it. It wears out your synchros more quickly.
Opposite. Before the days of syncros you had to rev match to shift, after syncros now you can shift without rev matching. The more you rev match the less work for the syncros.
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First manual car huh? Try driving a big rig with 15 gears, only time you ever touch the clutch is to engage first and reverse. It's completely normal and safe so long as you do it correctly.
Sorry to disappoint you but no, in fact I have had 4 different cars and they were all manual. The only thing is that I have never tried anything of the genre with my cars. The most I did was power shifting and that's it. even so, I was using the clutch. As I said, I got scared bc I didn't expect that to happen..

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No.
Power shifting IS NOT using the clutch.
What you are explaining is called power shifting.
Whatever "you've done before" was not power shifting.
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Sorry to disappoint you but no, in fact I have had 4 different cars and they were all manual. The only thing is that I have never tried anything of the genre with my cars. The most I did was power shifting and that's it. even so, I was using the clutch. As I said, I got scared bc I didn't expect that to happen..

Thanks everyone who replied. Great help. BTW, since we are already on the topic, today someone told me the tranny for the speed 6 is the same from RX8. is that true?
Nope, Ours is a FWD style Trans-axle with two axle shafts and an out put to a transfer case for the drive shaft, an RX8 has a Traditional RWD style Gear Box, one input shaft at the front, one output shaft at the rear
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I drive like this all the time. rev match FTW
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No.
Power shifting IS NOT using the clutch.
What you are explaining is called power shifting.
Whatever "you've done before" was not power shifting.
Damn it. Like I didn't have enough confusions in my life already. LOL
I once went to a trak experience with srt team where I met a guy who drives a viper on the tracks.he was explaining to me that when he shifts during the quarter mile, he doesn't lift his foot from the gas and shift gears normally, I guess the accessport names it flatfoot shifting. the viper guy told me it was called powershifting. I guess not...
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If you're driving a viper, you don't really know very much about cars to begin with. So you would be correct.
Power shifting is what truckers do. Shifting without the clutch.
Flat foot shifting is not lifting the gas when you use the clutch.
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If you're driving a viper, you don't really know very much about cars to begin with. So you would be correct.
Power shifting is what truckers do. Shifting without the clutch.
Flat foot shifting is not lifting the gas when you use the clutch.
Powershifting and floating the gears are not the same. Powershifting is forcefully shifting and just jamming it in...which is not what any trucker that has any sense does. Floating the gears you have to feel for the gear still...although in trucks with synchros...this normally isn't much of an issue. Powershifting you are not waiting for the synchros to work and generally fucking up your synchros and or bending shift forks.

In either case OP, although I have done this just out of habit from work (I have also tried to turn off my air brakes in the car after a long day lol) there is no purpose to floating the gears in your car. It's not necessary or recommended. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
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If you're driving a viper, you don't really know very much about cars to begin with. So you would be correct.
Power shifting is what truckers do. Shifting without the clutch.
Flat foot shifting is not lifting the gas when you use the clutch.
sorry, but if you are insinuating that vipers aren't great cars, then I am sorry but I cannot agree with you. if I had the money I would have the viper any time over my speed 6, and I love my speed6. The best car I have ever had, but seriously, saying that driving a viper means you don't know cars is not a valuable argument for me. IMO

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Powershifting (also known as; full-throttle shifting, flat-shifting, or speed shifting) is a method of shifting used with manual transmissions to reduce the time where the driving wheels are not powered.
Unlike a normal gearchange, in a powershift the driver does not let off the accelerator. The clutch is briefly depressed while the shift lever is rapidly shifted into a higher gear, keeping the engine in its power band. This helps the car accelerate faster, but increases the wear on the clutch and the transmission beyond normal levels and shortens the expected life of these components. Flat-shifting may also increase fuel consumption. In most cases, there is a method of cutting the ignition and/or fuel delivery, in a similar fashion to a rev-limiter, which prevents the engine from over-revving when the load from the transmission is removed. Many aftermarket[1] engine management systems provide this functionality as either a standard feature or as an option, usually combined with launch control.
The technique lends itself especially well to sequential transmissions as found on most motorcycles and some race cars.
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I upshift and downshift without the clutch all the time while driving to work. Just be gentle and don't force it if it doesn't want to go. Nothing wrong if you're quick.
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Because Wikipedia is know for 100% true and factual info.
Viper=Chrysler. Need I go on?
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Viper = my speed6 to dust. That's what matter. Also, I'm using Wikipedia to show that my argument is not out of the blue
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Speed 6=dust until viper tries to take a corner and spins out. Or breaks.
Both are inevitable.
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