Big Turbo Spool characteristics

[Downmented]

So recently i asked a few people about their setups and what sort of spool they see at what RPM.

So what i would like to do is create a reference point for different larger frame turbos with different variables to see the impact that different manifolds/ turbos have on the spool characteristics.

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go This would be a much more apples to apples dataset if everyone posted the RPM they reached a set PSI (say 20 PSI) from a 4th gear roll starting at ~2000 RPMs.

MS3/ MS6
Turbo-
Manifold-
PSI @xxxx rpm
IWG/ EWG

Please mention what RPM you see xxpsi at as well.

If you can think of any other major factors that play a part in the spool characteristics then please feel free to add them. Also if something like this has been done before please let me know. I do know that we had a thread dedicated to documenting different setups and amount of power each different setup makes ect, ect. My main focus is on the spool.

doubleflusher NJSPEED3 superskaterxes chimmike Captain KR SPEED6 KILLAH JacksonMS30 cld12pk2go

6oost3d-
MS6
GTX3582r SS .82 T3
Steedspeed twinscroll top mount
27psi @ 4k
Dual EWG

chimmike- Tune still in progress
MS3
GTX3076 ATP Hotside
Tial MVS EWG
Medieval Mani
Stock CBE
24psi @ ~3800- 4000rpm

Vader-
MS3
GTX3071
Stock Manifold
21psi @3500 climbing to 25 @ redline
IWG

superskaterxes-
Current:
MS6
ATP GTX35R
DNP w/EWG
30psi @4250 RPM

Previous:
GT3076
DNP w/EWG
27psi @3750 RPM

PapaSmurf
MS3
Turbo- Divided T3 GT3582R .82 hotside
Manifold- Custom Steedspeed stock locaton divided T3
30PSI @4200 rpm, at 5500 feet ASL
Duel 38mm EWG's

dturboman
MS3
GTX3582 T04 Undivided .82 A/R
28PSI @4500 RPM -
34 PSI - 4700RPM - 39PSI - 4950RPM
DNP runners, custom flanges at both ends
EWG

doubleflusher-
MS3
HTA3582R
Steedspeed
30+ PSI @3900 rpm
EWG

cld12pk2go
MS3
Turbo- GTX3071 (ATP hot side)
Manifold- PG V1
20 PSI @3300-3500 rpm (depending on ambient temp)
IWG

Captain KR
MS6
Atp 3076 with ported hotside
30psi @3800
pg v2 manifold
ewg

Lakespeed6
MS6
Turbo- GTX3076
Manifold- CP-E
24psi @4500 rpm
IWG

JacksonMS30
Old
MS3
Turbo - GTX3071
Manifold - Stock
20psi @3400rpms
26psi to redline
IWG
PERM Tune

Current
MS3
Turbo - HTA3586
20psi @4200rpms in 4th gear (3rd gear is 4700rpms)
21psi spring pressure
PERM Top Mount Exmani
38mm EWG TiAL MVR

Panda Express
MS3
GT3076
stock mani
stock tmic/tbe
20psi @3700rpm
25psi @4300rpm til redline

Alpha
MS6
EFR 7163 T25
Prototype Full-Race Manifold/Catless DP/Choked Magnaflow 2.5" CBE
20psi @2600rpm
23psi @2900 and up

rfinkle2
MS3
GT3076
24 psi @3,750.

RayRay
MS3
GTX3076
Stock Mani
25psi @4300rpm
IWG

SarcasticOne
MS3
Turbo- gt3071
Manifold- steedspeed
20PSI @3350 rpm
21PSI @3400 rpm
IWG

NJSPEED3
Current-
HTA3586 T3 single scroll .82 hotside
Custom T3 Tubular mani
44mm ewg
20psi @3822rpm
28psi @4200rpm

Previous setup
MS3
T3 single scroll gt3076 .82hotside
custom T3 tubular mani
44mm ewg
20PSI @ ~3800RPM
29psi@4100RPM +/-

SilverDemon
Old-
MS3
T3 Single Scroll GT35r
.63 hot side
Steed Speed Mani
38MM EWG
20 psi @~3950 RPM
30 psi @~4500 RPM

Current setup-
ATP GT3582r
.82 AR hotside
CP-E Atmosphere
Catless downpipe / 3.5" intake
21 PSI @ 4300 rpms
30 PSI @ 4800 rpms


Realgib3
MS3
Precision 6466 CEA
.82 Vband In/Out Hot side
CP-e mani
Precision 46mm Wg
~20psi @4200


DISIindahead
MS3
ATP GTX3071
Full Race Manifold
Grimmspeed 3 port EBCS
22 psi @ 3800rpms
IWG

S-hendrix
MS3
BNR S3
Stock Manifold
Grimmspeed 3 port EBCS
20.75 psi @3500rpms
IWG

atvfreek
MS3
BNR stage3
3 port ebcs
Stock intake and exhaust manifolds
22psi 3200 rpms


BlueStreak;
MS3
Turbo- ATP GT3071
Manifold- Stock
20 PSI @3100 rpm
ATP EWG /w 21PSI Spring
Fully PnP head.

XLT_66;
2009 MS3
GT3582r Twinscroll T3 .78 A/R
25 PSI @ 4000 RPM
Custom 1.25" Tubular Twinscroll Manifold
Teardrop Merged Single 44mm Tial MV-S
1 Bar Spring Pressure
COBB 3-Port

Ziggo;
2008 MS3
BNR S3
18 PSI @ 3000 RPM
Stock Intake Manifold
Swaintech Coated DNP Exhaust Manifold & Hotside
JBR WP Intake (3.5")
Grimmspeed 3-Port

himurax13;
MS3
BNR
Stock Manifold
Grimspeed 3 Port EBCS
22psi @3200

dantes5823;
MS3
ATP GTX3076
Stock Mani
Grimmspeed 3 port EBCS
20 psi @ 3400rpms
24 psi @ 3600rpms
EWG


sleepyspeed6;
MazdaSpeed 3
Hx35
stock exhaust manifold
3.5 intake
WMI
91
EWG (38mm) spring pressure is 21psi hit at 3790, 25psi by 4300ish


Captain KR;
steed speed top mount t3 twin scroll manifold
gt3582r
minor tuning
precision 46mm EWG
full boost @3500rpm


Matrix311;
GTX3071
Internal Wastegate
Stock Exhaust Manifold
20psi at 4,000rpm (boo)


Downmented;
MS6
Precision 6265, T4 TS .84 A/R
Steedspeed Top mount manifold
20psi @4000rpm
30psi @4300rpm


RichieRichness;
MS6
gt3071r IWG
DNP mani
21 psi @ 3500 rpm

Voltwings;
2010 ms3
ATP GTx3576
.72 AR hotside
CP-E manifold / Precision 46mm wastegate (15 psi spring)
Catless downpipe / 4" intake
20.5 PSI @ 3800 rpms
25.5 PSI @ 4000 rpms

[chimmike]

gtx3076, atp iwg hot side (flapper locked shut), tial MVS ewg. Stock cat-back, medieval mani. Tune still in progress.
that's about 12* timing and boost not maintaining 24 to redline.

[Downmented]

Originally Posted by chimmike gtx3076, atp iwg hot side (flapper locked shut), tial MVS ewg. Stock cat-back, medieval mani. Tune still in progress. that's about 12* timing and boost not maintaining 24 to redline.

What RPM Do you see full boost? Also, as people post their setups, i will update the initial post to keep all of this information in 1 spot.

[6oost3d]

MS6
GTX3582r SS .82 T3
Steedspeed twinscroll top mount
27psi @ 4k (current tune) 30psi @ 4300
Dual EWG - TiAL MVR & MVS

[chimmike]

Originally Posted by Downmented What RPM Do you see full boost? Also, as people post their setups, i will update the initial post to keep all of this information in 1 spot.

lol. look at the graph dude.

3800-4000rpm.

[Vader]

]MS3
GTX3071
Stock
21 by 3500 climbing to 25 @ redline
IWG


Slow car, is slow

Edit:

[Downmented]

Originally Posted by chimmike lol. look at the graph dude. 3800-4000rpm.

No image on work computer Sorry lol

[Downmented]

Forgot t o mention the Pu owners-
dantes5823 PapaSmurf duappleganger h0ckeyman

[superskaterxes]

MS6
ATP GTX35R
DNP w/EWG
30psi by 4250






ATP GT3076
same
27psi by 3750

[PapaSmurf]

MS3
Turbo- Divided T3 GT3582R .82 hotside
Manifold- Custom Steedspeed stock locaton divided T3
30PSI @4200 rpm, at 5500 feet ASL
Duel 38mm EWG's

[dturboman]

GTX3582 T04 Undivided .82 A/R

28PSI @ 4500 RPM - 34 PSI - 4700RPM - 39PSI - 4950RPM
DNP runners, custom flanges at both ends
EWG

[Downmented]

Thanks for the imput folks, keep it coming. Please feel free to mention anyone who is BT that has not already been mentioned/ posted

[doubleflusher]

MS3
HTA3582R .63 A/R T3
Steedspeed
30+ PSI @3900 rpm
EWG

This was my old setup.

New setup will be slightly different.

[cld12pk2go]

This would be a much more apples to apples dataset if everyone posted the RPM they reached a set PSI (say 20 PSI) from a 4th gear roll starting at ~2000 RPMs.

My data:

MS3
Turbo- GTX3071 (ATP hot side)
Manifold- PG V1
20 PSI @ 3300-3500 rpm (depending on ambient temp)
IWG


Also, I noted a several hundred RPM increase in lag when I ported my IM and removed the VTCS.

[aggierandy]

Would it be plausible to plot RPM vs Boost for each setup on a single graph for easy comparison?

[Downmented]

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go This would be a much more apples to apples dataset if everyone posted the RPM they reached a set PSI (say 20 PSI) from a 4th gear roll starting at ~2000 RPMs. My data: MS3 Turbo- GTX3071 (ATP hot side) Manifold- PG V1 20 PSI @ 3300-3500 rpm (depending on ambient temp) IWG Also, I noted a several hundred RPM increase in lag when I ported my IM and removed the VTCS.

I do realize that it would be better that way and if people chose to post their RPM at 20psi then i will deffinately update the initial post.
I guess my initial intent wasnt to directly compare apples to apples. More so to just get a general idea as to how spool was affected based on different setups. Granted yes most all of these are different turbos/ manis. But still helpful

Originally Posted by aggierandy Would it be plausible to plot RPM vs Boost for each setup on a single graph for easy comparison?

Honestly i dont see why not, it would have to be done by each individual user and posted, but sure, could be possible. WOuld be very helpful also

[chimmike]

Captain KR oh wait...........

[Downmented]

Raider If this continues to get enough attention, would this be a possible sticky?

[Rokusek]

sub'd for reference

and thanks everybody

[Downmented]

Updated initial post to reflect a more specific comparison between setups per cld12pk2go. If you have this information, please PM it to me and i will update your portion of the initial post. Thank you

[helmetface]

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go Also, I noted a several hundred RPM increase in lag when I ported my IM and removed the VTCS.

I was going to say, what about the other side of the engine?

[Captain KR]

Atp 3076 with ported hotside
30psi at 3800
pg v2 manifold
ewg
FUCK you you fucking ginger bitch chimmike

[Raider]

Originally Posted by Downmented Raider If this continues to get enough attention, would this be a possible sticky?

Sure, let me know. I think it is worthy now, but let's give it a few more responses.

[Downmented]

Originally Posted by Raider Sure, let me know. I think it is worthy now, but let's give it a few more responses.

As mentioned, this is good, but if we can make it better by having similar variables, ie 20psi @xxxx rpm starting at 2k rpm in 4th.

I will let you know, i figure this is still new and there are ALLOT more BT people to mention in here.
djuosnteisn

[Reysal2k10]

Originally Posted by Downmented So recently i asked a few people about their setups and what sort of spool they see at what RPM. So what i would like to do is create a reference point for different larger frame turbos with different variables to see the impact that different manifolds/ turbos have on the spool characteristics. MS3/ MS6 Turbo- Manifold- PSI @xxxx rpm IWG/ IWG Please mention what RPM you see xxpsi at as well. If you can think of any other major factors that play a part in the spool characteristics then please feel free to add them. Also if something like this has been done before please let me know. I do know that we had a thread dedicated to documenting different setups and amount of power each different setup makes ect, ect. My main focus is on the spool. doubleflusher NJSPEED3 superskaterxes chimmike Captain KR SPEED6 KILLAH JacksonMS30 cld12pk2go 6oost3d- MS6 GTX3582r SS .82 T3 Steedspeed twinscroll top mount 27psi @ 4k Dual EWG chimmike- Tune still in progress MS3 GTX3076 ATP Hotside Tial MVS EWG Medieval Mani Stock CBE 24psi @ ~3800- 4000rpm Vader- MS3 GTX3071 Stock Manifold 21psi @3500 climbing to 25 @ redline IWG superskaterxes- MS6 ATP GTX35R DNP w/EWG 30psi @4250 RPM Previous setup- GT3076 27psi @3750 RPM PapaSmurf MS3 Turbo- Divided T3 GT3582R .82 hotside Manifold- Custom Steedspeed stock locaton divided T3 30PSI @4200 rpm, at 5500 feet ASL Duel 38mm EWG's dturboman MS3 GTX3582 T04 Undivided .82 A/R 28PSI @ 4500 RPM - 34 PSI - 4700RPM - 39PSI - 4950RPM DNP runners, custom flanges at both ends EWG doubleflusher- MS3 HTA3582R Steedspeed 30+ PSI @3900 rpm EWG cld12pk2go MS3 Turbo- GTX3071 (ATP hot side) Manifold- PG V1 20 PSI @ 3300-3500 rpm (depending on ambient temp) IWG Captain KR MS6 Atp 3076 with ported hotside 30psi at 3800 pg v2 manifold ewg

Thanks this helps me big time!

[Deldran]

I love the idea of seeing where these turbos get 20 pounds of boost.
RayRay Alpha

[aggierandy]

S-hendrix you mind commenting on your spool up.

Also Downmented could you include on the plot a stock k04 for reference.


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[Lakespeed6]

MS6
Turbo- GTX3076
Manifold- CP-E
24psi @4500 rpm
IWG
Tune still in progress.


Do I get an award for the worst spooling turbo! FML

[Downmented]

Originally Posted by Lakespeed6 MS6 Turbo- GTX3076 Manifold- CP-E 24psi @4500 rpm IWG Tune still in progress. Do I get an award for the worst spooling turbo! FML

Something is wrong here.

[JacksonMS30]

MS3
Turbo - GTX3071
Manifold - Stock
20psi by 3400rpms
26psi to redline
IWG
PERM Tune

MS3
Turbo - HTA3586
20psi - 4200rpms in 4th gear (3rd gear is 4700rpms)
21psi spring pressure
PERM Top Mount Exmani
38mm EWG TiAL MVR
Tune fully neutered to save motor for build.

[The Panda]

MS3
GT3076
stock mani
stock tmic/tbe
20psi @ 3700rpm
25psi @ 4300rpm til redline

[sleepyspeed6]

Let me dig through my logs I have one in 4th, I am getting full boost (22psi) at 4300 with the hx35. If i cant find it I will get one when I get my car back up


ms3
Stock exhaust manifold, and stock cat back

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by Deldran I love the idea of seeing where these turbos get 20 pounds of boost. RayRay Alpha

Great thread!

MS6
EFR 7163 T25 Prototype
Full-Race Manifold/Catless DP/Choked Magnaflow 2.5" CBE
20psi @ 2600rpm
23psi @ 2900 and up

Once the new motor and tune are in, I wouldn't be surprised to see 25-30psi by 2400~ RPM
TORQUE FTW!

[rfinkle2]

3076 tune was in progress (member unfortunately had to part out).

24 psi @ 3,750.

Atp 3076 w/ grimmspeed 3 port bcs.

[chimmike]

Originally Posted by Lakespeed6 MS6 Turbo- GTX3076 Manifold- CP-E 24psi @4500 rpm IWG Tune still in progress. Do I get an award for the worst spooling turbo! FML

Even with MBC I was spooling far better than that. Swap in EBCS, cut timing between 3000-4000rpm.

Also...did you adjust the preload on the WG arm? I.e. screw it in more? Had to preload the fuck outta my gtx3076 IWG arm. So glad I went ewg tho.

[6oost3d]

Originally Posted by Lakespeed6 MS6 Turbo- GTX3076 Manifold- CP-E 24psi @4500 rpm IWG Tune still in progress. Do I get an award for the worst spooling turbo! FML

Is the wastegate arm hitting anything? on my 3076 it rubbed against a hose so it wouldn't close all the way.

[Lakespeed6]

Originally Posted by chimmike Even with MBC I was spooling far better than that. Swap in EBCS, cut timing between 3000-4000rpm. Also...did you adjust the preload on the WG arm? I.e. screw it in more? Had to preload the fuck outta my gtx3076 IWG arm. So glad I went ewg tho.

Doesn't hit any thing on the housing and is about 8 turns in.
Just had the intake off last night and I noticed quite a lot of shaft play
Maybe I should switch to EWG.

[Downmented]

If there is shaft play, your wg is the least of your worries bro. Hopefully you get it sorted out.

[duappleganger]

my first big-turbo mention whhhhhattttt uppppppp

unfortunately, the turbo goes on in two days so give me a little while to get it tuned and ill post logs

[MATT DAMOND]

I'm hoping to hit 20psi at or before 3k, with a GTX3071 EWG. T3 SS mani, and higher compression should help.